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Help, my son overdosed

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Trippyhippy123

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Hello. My 15 year old son managed to take 1100 mg of his hydroxyzine that he was prescribed for anxiety. Is this a lethal dose? What do I need to do?
 
What do I need to do? Well first thing would be to get off the internet and call 911.
 
The only way without medical help to reverse an overdose on an opiate or sedative would be with the use of an amphetamine. But don't try to reverse an overdose unless you know what you're doing, because otherwise it could be even more dangerous.
 
are you daft? Please detail how any amount of amphetamine would be helpful in the event of a opiate or any other kind of overdose?

There is a way to reverse a opiate overdose, but that is all. This is done with Naloxone. Naloxone is a opiod, which acts as a agonist at the receptor, and has the greatest binding affinity of any known opiods.

Reversing a amphetamine or sedative overdose is not by definition possible, we can treat them if not too severe but opiate overdoses can be fully reversed.
 
Medically Naloxone is used. However, amphetamines can be used to reverse an opiate overdose. How much depends on how severe the overdose is. Think about it logically.. an opiate overdose causes your brain to fall into a permanent state of sleep.. amphetamines wake your brain up. If you're falling out, you do a line of any regular amphetamine, you wake up. It does the exact opposite thing to your brain as an opiate does; therefore it cancels it out.

Sedatives can be used to attempt a counter of an amphetamine overdose but amphetamine overdoses normally have to be fought off, which there is ways to do if you know how. I'm pretty sure that it would work the other way around but I've never seen anyone overdose an a sedative so I'm not sure. That's why I stated "not to try it unless you know what you're doing."
 
No. That is not at all how it works.

Taking amphetamine would if anything add to the dangers of an opiate overdose. This shit isnt just flicking a switch up or down inside you.

Firstly a opiate overdose kills you by oxygen deprivation, it doesnt just go boop and instantly kill you. When you receive a fatal dose, you fall asleep and the drug causes respiratory depression followed by respiratory failure. Your brain even when unconscious will typically send signals to the muscles in your diaphragm to continue contracting and expanding, this is how we accomplish breathing. Now if you witness someone experiencing a overdose, before administering naloxone you would perform emergency CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation) to ensure that their brain, or heart isnt starved for oxygen. Then naloxone typically .4 mg is administered intra muscularly, followed by more CPR until the person can breathe on their own again.

Amphetamine being added to a crisis such as opiate OD would simpy exacerbate the need for oxygen, while adding stress to a persons circulatory system, increasing the danger.

Lets just say that amphetamine was able to reverse a opiate overdose, you would need to inject it for it to be even a little useful as a opiate od can suppress breathing within a few seconds of the dose being administered. So if you dont have a ready to inject solution of amphetamine ready to go, it is not going to make a difference. Regardless, amps are not a appropriate response. Only naloxone should be considered, and only for opiate overdoses.

Naloxone works by "scrubbing" the opiate off of the opiate receptors in your brain, and taking its place per se. You see, naloxone has a higher binding affinity for our opiate receptors, than any other known substance. It acts as a competetive antagonist at the binding site where "heroin or other opiates causing od would be". Its more complicated than up and down
 
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i thought that the idea that you IV someone with a strong amphetamine when they are overdosing on opiates is quite possibly a detrimental one..
 
I understand that injecting the amphetamine could send your body into shock. However, snorting the amphetamine causes the amphetamine to end up in your nasal system instead of your circulatory system. I didn't personally know that an opiate overdose had that much to do with oxygen deprivation, but I do know that the overdoses causes you to die by putting your brain into a state of permanent sleep. Amphetamines wake you up from that state of sleep. I've seen heroin overdoses reversed with meth. However, this conversation isn't for this thread. This is a sedative overdose, not an opiate overdose. I was just saying what I think could most likely work, but I shouldn't have even said anything without knowing exactly how to counter a sedative overdose. That wasn't a reliable post, so I apologize for that.
 
No this is still all wrong, I honestly do want to help you understand this but I fear for my mental health.

When you snort a drug, it ends up in your blood stream, albeit less than if injected. The reason people snort drugs is because there are a fuck ton of small blood vessels tightly packed together called capillaries , these reside in your nasal canal underneath a thin membrane. this membrane allows water and ions to pass through. so when you snort something, it essentially gets moistened and then jumps through thin skin, where it enters the blood vessels. It goes from your nose, to your heart and lungs, where gas exchange occurs and then it travels to your brain.

there is no specific treatment for most drug overdoses, as it is case to case treatment of physical symptoms caused by too much of this or that making it to your brain, all drugs enter your brain in blood. your body circulates your blood in the manner it does for good reason, and this is how we replenish our tissues and organs and facilitate cellular respiration.

Only opiate withdrawal is reverse able, in the sense that we have a medication readily available in most of the developed world which will absolutely save a life from fatal opiate OD. One thing you must be weary of, is half life. Naloxone is short lived, and you may return to fatal overdose as the naloxone wears off

If opiate Withdrawal were something that could be fatal, then the reversal of a opiate overdose would not save lives, but rather take them. Seeing as that is not the case one can argue that even the most severe opiate withdrawal will not result in fatality.
 
I was wondering the same. The first thing you can do is induce this person to vomit while calling 911.
It's not as difficult to vomit when your stomach is so full IME, so just make sure he or she does not inhale the liquid.
By that you'll eliminate almost half of the amount of drugs he's taken.
 
To the poster talking about giving amphetamine to a person ODing on opiates. Please do not ever do this. All you will accomplish is adding another complication to the persons already occurring problems. CPR and naloxone are the only ways to reverse, or even slow an opiate OD. In fact I hear they are making a nalaxone nasal spray. This will be incredibly helpful.
 
I hope he didnt OD and you came on here and posted; thats NOT what to do. take him to the ER and explain ASAP! from there drag him through the process of addiction; show him the world and what he could easily become if he continues down this path; almost like a scared straight type thing. bring him to a detox and show him the real struggles of not only addicts that may be his own age but also addicts double his age who should have stories that will blow his mind.
 
amphetamines can counter opiate ODs, I have done it before but either way, more junkies would have meth around to reverse it than naloxone. That's a guarantee.

However if they make the nasal spray that would be quite useful, more so than anything else.
 
Yes nalaxone is needed for an opiate overdose. But in mild opiate od's an amphetamine can keep you alive. It's like how people od on speedballs. The coke keeps them alive and when it wears off the dope kills them, so an amphetamine can keep someone alive.
 
You actually don't have a clue how things really work, so you think you can apply that 'logic' of yours, like 'this puts you down, and that up, so it has to work'. Incredible. How old are you? like 16 - 20? Never mind. You obviously need more experience, and bit more reading/studying (physiology, pharmacology lit. and such.).
 
Even if it works (like you feel, don't feel something.) sometimes, it doesn't have to work always or at all. The science behind it is not well understood, and there are only speculations. I didn't mention this b/c you brought some scientific facts, only for the sake of completeness, and to point out there is little of what we know for sure on that subject.
The fact you don't feel something, or you feel it, doesn't mean something doesn't have impact on you body, or that it has it. When you take opioids, opiates, you can hardly feel any other drug. Not even alcohol. Not weed. But that doesn't mean it 'reversed' their effect! I know a guy who overdosed like that. He took a usual dose of Tramadol, and he than continued to smoke weed, joint after joint. That was it.
Same happens with alcohol. Drinking alc on heroin, morphine, tramadol etc. doesn't do a shit (You cannot feel the effect of ethanol, until you take a sick amount of it.), except it increases the chance of side effects significantly, and provokes OD and death.
So no, it is not a plus, minus logic.
 
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Any update from the op ? "Mild opiate od."..I didn't know there was such a thing . x]


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