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Tianeptine Sodium/Sulfate Drug Withdrawal:
Beginning: How it got started
End: How I'm Quitting
First of all I want to say that this thread is intended to help others and get your story out or provide advice for anyone in here who needs it. Please do not judge, criticize, or try to bring anyone down but don't hesitate to be brutally honest if you think your advice/information you post is necessary for providing help to anyone here who needs to hear the truth.
Ok I want to start off by saying I personally have been addicted to opiates for about 5 years. Everyone who starts off by getting addicted to opiates usually has a pretty similar story but for me it all started many years ago when I broke my hand and obviously got prescribed painkillers to relieve pain. Long story short I got Vicodin and I loved the way they made me feel so I sought out to buy whatever amount I could get my hands on. I was addicted to Vicodin for 2 years or so... Got on suboxone because my doctor said they would stop withdrawals. And they did. Until I stopped the suboxone and experienced even worse withdrawals than the original addiction I had from the Vicodin. I was on subs for 3 months... Stopped that shit as soon as I could and literally got back on Vicodin just so that I could take them for a couple months then attempt to stop them by tapering because I knew the withdrawals weren't as bad as the subs. About 6-7 days of hell later I did. I stopped the Vicodin cold turkey and I was sober for about a year until...
I discovered KRATOM online. I purchased some. Like any opiate addict I guess the reason I can say I started taking Kratom after being clean for so long (just a year but for me it seemed like a long time) was because I guess I just got bored with my life. I loved the KRATOM because it is a very moderate opiate... An opiate nonetheless, yes... But still an opiate. I started off taking very little amounts because it really did alleviate stress and gave me a very chill feeling when I came home from a long day of work. It really was a great point in my life at the time that I was taking small amounts of KRATOM. I was working hard, going to the gym, had a great social life, I even met my current girlfriend while I was taking moderate amounts of KRATOM. That girl means the absolute world to me and to have somebody in my life who I love and would do absolutely anything for is a blessing. When we get deeper into topic later and talk about overcoming withdrawals you will understand why it is so important to have a support system and God has truly sent me an Angel in the form of a beautiful, loving, caring and understanding woman that she is. I can't stress enough how important it is to open up to someone and let them help you through these struggles that opiate addicts go through each and everyday. Quitting opiates isn't possible on your own. So please, whether it's a family member or a friend or boyfriend/girlfriend... Open your heart to them and spill out all your feelings/struggles with your addiction. You'd be surprised how willing people are to help you if they truly love you. ANYWAY... back to the KRATOM....I was confident, happy, had little anxiety (which I had suffered from in the past), I didn't have panick attacks anymore (which I also had in the past), and I was just very content with life in general. I left my shitty job and pursued a better higher paying job which I still currently am employed at. Life was good. And just to be clear... KRATOM is an opiate... Yes. It's addictive. But... I promise you withdrawals from KRATOM are a breeze and they don't last very long. I remember one time my KRATOM actually got stuck coming through customs so my shipment was delayed by 2 days. I went through some RLS and slight insomnia at nights like any other opiate WDs may cause but those 2 days later by the time my shipment came I actually was clear of withdrawals. My shipment came and since I had no intent on quitting KRATOM I kept taking it because like I said it really helped me in a lot of ways. The goal of this whole thread will be to only rely on Kratom and completely get off of Tianeptine sodium. In the future if you want to quit Kratom it will be a walk in the park. Kratom withdrawals are a breeze compared to any other opiates out there. WDs usually only last about 3 days or so.
And then one day...
A friend (whom I wish I never met) introduced me to TIANEPTINE SODIUM. He gave me a little sample to try. It wasn't a lot. But I was curious. And now looking back I wish I never would have tried that shit. I was instantly hooked. A lot of people when they get high from opiates have specific hobbies that they enjoy doing while on them right? Well my hobby was Xbox. Haha don't laugh but I used to love playing Xbox and taking opiates. It was like my getaway. My escape from reality, free from any stress where I didn't have to think about anything I could just get high and disappear from my problems.
Tianeptine Sodium: If I could describe my high from this stuff I'd say it's like the equivalent to the very first high I ever got from Vicodin. Obviously on my Vicodin binge years back you build tolerance over time and it just doesn't have the same high as time passes but it eventually gets to a point where you need to simply take it to function. With the TIANEPTINE SODIUM it was like I was taking Vicodin again for the very first time.
Not good! Not good at all!
I instantly became hooked and am still currently hooked. Obviously like any new drug you don't have that initial tolerance so I didn't really have to take much to feel its effects. Initially, I only took my dose after work when I wanted to unwind. Then it escalated. I started taking it during work. I was happy, confident, talkative, stress free... I had it all. I thought it was this miracle drug. I knew it couldn't be good for you but my subconscious didn't want to do any research to find out more about the drug. Whatever the side effects were... I didn't want to know.
Months passed... My tolerance rose so I obviously started taking more in search of that euphoric opiate high. My subconscious thought I was happy but deep down I knew I was in denial. I was taking 2 grams a day. For those of you who know what the recommended dosage is... You know that 2 grams is a lot. I didn't care though... Until one day i ran out because all the online vendors I ordered from ran out of supply. I was unable to order any.
Tianeptine Withdrawals: I can't even begin to tell you how depressed I became when I started to withdraw. I was extremely fortunate that I ran out on a Friday because if I were scheduled to work on weekends I would've never made it in. I seriously like couldn't get out of bed. It was absolutely brutal and in comparison to Vicodin or KRATOM withdrawals it was 10x worse. Thank God I had some KRATOM left over to combat some of the opiate WDs symptoms like RLS and things like that or I probably would've had to go to the ER. My mind felt like it was in a deep fog and I was literally an alien from another planet just walking the earth in utter confusion, unaware of any of my surroundings. All I could do was lay down. I had complete insomnia at night which was the worst because my body was exhausted but I literally could not sleep unless I took a lot of KRATOM. From what I hear, Tianeptine Sodium has very similar withdrawals to HEROIN. I made it 5 days cold turkey without taking anymore Tianeptine sodium but I was taking KRATOM whenever I needed it and as soon as the KRATOM lost its effect I had to take more and more. However, I did end up ordering more and have consistently been taking about 2 grams a day for about 4 months now. I want to quit. I want to quit so badly I just want to feel normal again. Tianeptine has really lost its effect on me and actually I've become depressed over the last month instead of actually feeling it's anxieletic properties anymore. I want to quit because I want my old life back. Not to mention this stuff is getting so expensive I just can't afford it anymore.
****PLEASE ANYONE READING THIS DO NOT EVER TAKE TIANEPTINE SODIUM. IT IS VERY DANGEROUS****
So... Let's work together now! Post any advice you have that you think will help anyone struggling.
How to safely quit Tianeptine Sodium:
- Listen, I made it 5 days quitting cold turkey. I know I could've quit if I just kept at it. But here's my philosophy on how to quit. This is what you'll need:
1. KRATOM - the KRATOM is an absolute must. Check out [no sources] for good prices. I know there's a ton of different blends but any blend will suffice.
- directions: Take as much as you need to kick withdrawals. You won't feel 100% if you still aren't getting the Tianeptine in your system but you will know when you've taken enough KRATOM to be able to relax.
2. Tianeptine Sodium/Sulfate: check out [no sources] or the best prices.
- I know what your thinking. "Wait I thought we are trying to quit this stuff"? Right? I know I know. And we will. But I strongly believe that you need to taper off. So take your KRATOM and then take as little Tianeptine as possible until your withdrawals are gone. Just make sure it is less then what you normally take. Everyone reading this takes a different amount so it depends. You'll know what that amount is. The goal is to taper off completely. This may take some patience but I firmly believe with what I went through during those 5 days of hell that a taper with lots of KRATOM will be more effective. Cold turkey from Tianeptine is too difficult although you may give it a try just MAKE SURE you have KRATOM on hand.
3. Imodium AD
- Just trust me it helps and will prevent you from that feeling when you think your about to crawl out of your skin when you can't get comfortable
4. Fruit Pectin
- go to Walmart and look for jam powder. There's an isle with jam jars. Buy the "Ball" brand. Take as much powder as you need but a spoonful should be perfect. This completely eleviates the restless leg syndrome you'll get. There's something about the pectin that does the trick. I usually got bad RLS in my hips more than i did my legs. But that uncomfortable feeling you get from RLS laying in bed will really be alleviated from this product. Most people take Fruit Pectin for joint pain so you can understand why this will work for RLS.
5. Lots of water
- It is important to flush toxins out of your system. You want to be over toilet as much as possible.
6. Ejaculate
- Sounds weird I know but it's necessary. Your brain needs to trigger it's endorphins and make more seratonin. This has always been an important part of recovery and this was something informed to me by my doctor actually. I know you won't have any sex drive or urge to do this but make yourself ejaculate at least twice a day especially during the peak of your WDs
7. Hot warm baths
- Get some Epsom salt to sprinkle in the tub and help your muscles from soreness. Baths/Showers were something that I took a lot of. And I mean a lot. I was taking probably 5 or more baths a day. This always helped me get comfortable when I needed to lay down and relax. I found it easiest to attempt to fall asleep about 10-30 minutes after a bath when I tried to lie down. Any longer than 30 minutes you might get uncomfortable again but if you do take some more Kratom.
8. Steam room/sauna
- I know this is may be hard to find for some people but the more you sweat the more toxins you release from your body. Afterwards you will feel great. If you can't find a steam/sauna go exercise
9. Benzos
- if you can find a couple benzos it will help you sleep but don't trade one addiction for another. Tame yourself
TIP: If you can't find benzos I know it may seem impossible to sleep. Taking lots of KRATOM before bed is crucial. You don't wanna be waking up in the middle of the night. If you cant sleep don't force sleep upon yourself. You'll make yourself go crazy and just get more uncomfortable. The key I found that works for me is to try and stay awake as long as possible. Your body will shut down eventually and you will naturally dose off
I made this thread to help anyone in need who is going through what I've gone through and what works best for me. I really want to kick this drug. I've been tapering over the past month and have moved from 2grams a day to 1 gram a day in about a months span. I know that sounds like a lot still but i think I'm headed in the right direction and I pray anyone else who took the time to read my novel (I know it's long AF sorry lol) can experience positive results leading to sobriety.
F*** Drugs am I right! Thanks guys and God bless. I'll be checking in.
Beginning: How it got started
End: How I'm Quitting
First of all I want to say that this thread is intended to help others and get your story out or provide advice for anyone in here who needs it. Please do not judge, criticize, or try to bring anyone down but don't hesitate to be brutally honest if you think your advice/information you post is necessary for providing help to anyone here who needs to hear the truth.
Ok I want to start off by saying I personally have been addicted to opiates for about 5 years. Everyone who starts off by getting addicted to opiates usually has a pretty similar story but for me it all started many years ago when I broke my hand and obviously got prescribed painkillers to relieve pain. Long story short I got Vicodin and I loved the way they made me feel so I sought out to buy whatever amount I could get my hands on. I was addicted to Vicodin for 2 years or so... Got on suboxone because my doctor said they would stop withdrawals. And they did. Until I stopped the suboxone and experienced even worse withdrawals than the original addiction I had from the Vicodin. I was on subs for 3 months... Stopped that shit as soon as I could and literally got back on Vicodin just so that I could take them for a couple months then attempt to stop them by tapering because I knew the withdrawals weren't as bad as the subs. About 6-7 days of hell later I did. I stopped the Vicodin cold turkey and I was sober for about a year until...
I discovered KRATOM online. I purchased some. Like any opiate addict I guess the reason I can say I started taking Kratom after being clean for so long (just a year but for me it seemed like a long time) was because I guess I just got bored with my life. I loved the KRATOM because it is a very moderate opiate... An opiate nonetheless, yes... But still an opiate. I started off taking very little amounts because it really did alleviate stress and gave me a very chill feeling when I came home from a long day of work. It really was a great point in my life at the time that I was taking small amounts of KRATOM. I was working hard, going to the gym, had a great social life, I even met my current girlfriend while I was taking moderate amounts of KRATOM. That girl means the absolute world to me and to have somebody in my life who I love and would do absolutely anything for is a blessing. When we get deeper into topic later and talk about overcoming withdrawals you will understand why it is so important to have a support system and God has truly sent me an Angel in the form of a beautiful, loving, caring and understanding woman that she is. I can't stress enough how important it is to open up to someone and let them help you through these struggles that opiate addicts go through each and everyday. Quitting opiates isn't possible on your own. So please, whether it's a family member or a friend or boyfriend/girlfriend... Open your heart to them and spill out all your feelings/struggles with your addiction. You'd be surprised how willing people are to help you if they truly love you. ANYWAY... back to the KRATOM....I was confident, happy, had little anxiety (which I had suffered from in the past), I didn't have panick attacks anymore (which I also had in the past), and I was just very content with life in general. I left my shitty job and pursued a better higher paying job which I still currently am employed at. Life was good. And just to be clear... KRATOM is an opiate... Yes. It's addictive. But... I promise you withdrawals from KRATOM are a breeze and they don't last very long. I remember one time my KRATOM actually got stuck coming through customs so my shipment was delayed by 2 days. I went through some RLS and slight insomnia at nights like any other opiate WDs may cause but those 2 days later by the time my shipment came I actually was clear of withdrawals. My shipment came and since I had no intent on quitting KRATOM I kept taking it because like I said it really helped me in a lot of ways. The goal of this whole thread will be to only rely on Kratom and completely get off of Tianeptine sodium. In the future if you want to quit Kratom it will be a walk in the park. Kratom withdrawals are a breeze compared to any other opiates out there. WDs usually only last about 3 days or so.
And then one day...
A friend (whom I wish I never met) introduced me to TIANEPTINE SODIUM. He gave me a little sample to try. It wasn't a lot. But I was curious. And now looking back I wish I never would have tried that shit. I was instantly hooked. A lot of people when they get high from opiates have specific hobbies that they enjoy doing while on them right? Well my hobby was Xbox. Haha don't laugh but I used to love playing Xbox and taking opiates. It was like my getaway. My escape from reality, free from any stress where I didn't have to think about anything I could just get high and disappear from my problems.
Tianeptine Sodium: If I could describe my high from this stuff I'd say it's like the equivalent to the very first high I ever got from Vicodin. Obviously on my Vicodin binge years back you build tolerance over time and it just doesn't have the same high as time passes but it eventually gets to a point where you need to simply take it to function. With the TIANEPTINE SODIUM it was like I was taking Vicodin again for the very first time.
Not good! Not good at all!
I instantly became hooked and am still currently hooked. Obviously like any new drug you don't have that initial tolerance so I didn't really have to take much to feel its effects. Initially, I only took my dose after work when I wanted to unwind. Then it escalated. I started taking it during work. I was happy, confident, talkative, stress free... I had it all. I thought it was this miracle drug. I knew it couldn't be good for you but my subconscious didn't want to do any research to find out more about the drug. Whatever the side effects were... I didn't want to know.
Months passed... My tolerance rose so I obviously started taking more in search of that euphoric opiate high. My subconscious thought I was happy but deep down I knew I was in denial. I was taking 2 grams a day. For those of you who know what the recommended dosage is... You know that 2 grams is a lot. I didn't care though... Until one day i ran out because all the online vendors I ordered from ran out of supply. I was unable to order any.
Tianeptine Withdrawals: I can't even begin to tell you how depressed I became when I started to withdraw. I was extremely fortunate that I ran out on a Friday because if I were scheduled to work on weekends I would've never made it in. I seriously like couldn't get out of bed. It was absolutely brutal and in comparison to Vicodin or KRATOM withdrawals it was 10x worse. Thank God I had some KRATOM left over to combat some of the opiate WDs symptoms like RLS and things like that or I probably would've had to go to the ER. My mind felt like it was in a deep fog and I was literally an alien from another planet just walking the earth in utter confusion, unaware of any of my surroundings. All I could do was lay down. I had complete insomnia at night which was the worst because my body was exhausted but I literally could not sleep unless I took a lot of KRATOM. From what I hear, Tianeptine Sodium has very similar withdrawals to HEROIN. I made it 5 days cold turkey without taking anymore Tianeptine sodium but I was taking KRATOM whenever I needed it and as soon as the KRATOM lost its effect I had to take more and more. However, I did end up ordering more and have consistently been taking about 2 grams a day for about 4 months now. I want to quit. I want to quit so badly I just want to feel normal again. Tianeptine has really lost its effect on me and actually I've become depressed over the last month instead of actually feeling it's anxieletic properties anymore. I want to quit because I want my old life back. Not to mention this stuff is getting so expensive I just can't afford it anymore.
****PLEASE ANYONE READING THIS DO NOT EVER TAKE TIANEPTINE SODIUM. IT IS VERY DANGEROUS****
So... Let's work together now! Post any advice you have that you think will help anyone struggling.
How to safely quit Tianeptine Sodium:
- Listen, I made it 5 days quitting cold turkey. I know I could've quit if I just kept at it. But here's my philosophy on how to quit. This is what you'll need:
1. KRATOM - the KRATOM is an absolute must. Check out [no sources] for good prices. I know there's a ton of different blends but any blend will suffice.
- directions: Take as much as you need to kick withdrawals. You won't feel 100% if you still aren't getting the Tianeptine in your system but you will know when you've taken enough KRATOM to be able to relax.
2. Tianeptine Sodium/Sulfate: check out [no sources] or the best prices.
- I know what your thinking. "Wait I thought we are trying to quit this stuff"? Right? I know I know. And we will. But I strongly believe that you need to taper off. So take your KRATOM and then take as little Tianeptine as possible until your withdrawals are gone. Just make sure it is less then what you normally take. Everyone reading this takes a different amount so it depends. You'll know what that amount is. The goal is to taper off completely. This may take some patience but I firmly believe with what I went through during those 5 days of hell that a taper with lots of KRATOM will be more effective. Cold turkey from Tianeptine is too difficult although you may give it a try just MAKE SURE you have KRATOM on hand.
3. Imodium AD
- Just trust me it helps and will prevent you from that feeling when you think your about to crawl out of your skin when you can't get comfortable
4. Fruit Pectin
- go to Walmart and look for jam powder. There's an isle with jam jars. Buy the "Ball" brand. Take as much powder as you need but a spoonful should be perfect. This completely eleviates the restless leg syndrome you'll get. There's something about the pectin that does the trick. I usually got bad RLS in my hips more than i did my legs. But that uncomfortable feeling you get from RLS laying in bed will really be alleviated from this product. Most people take Fruit Pectin for joint pain so you can understand why this will work for RLS.
5. Lots of water
- It is important to flush toxins out of your system. You want to be over toilet as much as possible.
6. Ejaculate
- Sounds weird I know but it's necessary. Your brain needs to trigger it's endorphins and make more seratonin. This has always been an important part of recovery and this was something informed to me by my doctor actually. I know you won't have any sex drive or urge to do this but make yourself ejaculate at least twice a day especially during the peak of your WDs
7. Hot warm baths
- Get some Epsom salt to sprinkle in the tub and help your muscles from soreness. Baths/Showers were something that I took a lot of. And I mean a lot. I was taking probably 5 or more baths a day. This always helped me get comfortable when I needed to lay down and relax. I found it easiest to attempt to fall asleep about 10-30 minutes after a bath when I tried to lie down. Any longer than 30 minutes you might get uncomfortable again but if you do take some more Kratom.
8. Steam room/sauna
- I know this is may be hard to find for some people but the more you sweat the more toxins you release from your body. Afterwards you will feel great. If you can't find a steam/sauna go exercise
9. Benzos
- if you can find a couple benzos it will help you sleep but don't trade one addiction for another. Tame yourself
TIP: If you can't find benzos I know it may seem impossible to sleep. Taking lots of KRATOM before bed is crucial. You don't wanna be waking up in the middle of the night. If you cant sleep don't force sleep upon yourself. You'll make yourself go crazy and just get more uncomfortable. The key I found that works for me is to try and stay awake as long as possible. Your body will shut down eventually and you will naturally dose off
I made this thread to help anyone in need who is going through what I've gone through and what works best for me. I really want to kick this drug. I've been tapering over the past month and have moved from 2grams a day to 1 gram a day in about a months span. I know that sounds like a lot still but i think I'm headed in the right direction and I pray anyone else who took the time to read my novel (I know it's long AF sorry lol) can experience positive results leading to sobriety.
F*** Drugs am I right! Thanks guys and God bless. I'll be checking in.
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