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EADD Benzo Discussion v. Finally remembered to start a new thread.

Your pathological need for constant attention is getting a bit boring Perky.
I feel much more sorry for you than those dependent.
 
Hello friends. I am looking for information on which RC benzo is best for it's muscle relaxing properties, I don't usually bother with these as I can get hold of 'proper' benzos usually but needs must :sus:.

I particularly would like to hear Perkins input, thanks x10
 
When i had no tolerance i found etiz excellent for that.

I was hoping to stock up on pyraz powder before the ban but the vendor is out of stock, temp or perm i dunno, but im not overly optimistic as it didnt seem to be a very fast seller for them to shift a new batch in a few weeks. But you never know.

If this doesnt come though, anyone have any alternative suggestions for pyraz powder (has to be powder form, i never will trust vendor pellets.) I'm finding Pyraz particularly good in that it has strong hypnotic effects in relatively low doses ime. I combine with diclaz for the longer half life.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
 
i find meclonazepam is similar to pyraz, maybe a bit more hypnotic but still nice and fluffy/functional feeling. Just stocked up on pyraz as its the one least likely to get me into trouble in the long run.

Im currently on 1mg diclaz in the morning then 2.5mg diaz (or 0.3mg diclaz) in the evening. Ive been reducing 2.5mg worth of diaz each week, mainly using diclaz solution but using the little amount of diaz i have when im out and about. So this time next week il be at 1mg diclaz per day then il start reducing 0.2mg a week. The end is finally in sight and i should be off them before the ban.
 
in the UK pretty much everything is getting banned apart from tea, coffee, tobacco and booze :|
 
headfuck123 said:
i find meclonazepam is similar to pyraz, maybe a bit more hypnotic but still nice and fluffy/functional feeling. Just stocked up on pyraz as its the one least likely to get me into trouble in the long run.

Im currently on 1mg diclaz in the morning then 2.5mg diaz (or 0.3mg diclaz) in the evening. Ive been reducing 2.5mg worth of diaz each week, mainly using diclaz solution but using the little amount of diaz i have when im out and about. So this time next week il be at 1mg diclaz per day then il start reducing 0.2mg a week. The end is finally in sight and i should be off them before the ban.
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Cheers for the reply. I have ordered and really enjoyed meclonazepam pellets 2/3 times; first 2 orders were great, the 3rd order seemed to have no active ingredient at all. And i got no response from the vendor. :!:sus:

Meclon could be hard to taper as i found it extremely enjoyable, I'd have to get the powder which isnt much cheaper than the pellets but at least you know what you are getting, once you have made and sampled your PG mix for strength, which is completely unlike the pellets. The pyraz powder vendor says he has a little leftover and will be getting back to me with a weight and a price. Hopefully the quality will be ok. Otherwise I'll be having to switch over entirely to diclaz, or maybe having another try at Nifoxipam or w/e else is currently available in powder form. The main problem with Diclazpepam is that it seems to take a very long and completely unpredictable time to take effect. :\
 
Yep thats 100% normal as the metabolites will still be in your system or if its a long half life benzo then the said benzo would still be in your system. Its probably the main reason I dont make it into uni at least 1 or 2 days a week as I feel glued to my bed in the mornings.
 
The only place that had Nitrazolam ran out before I got anywhere near it. As such Ive just got an extra 100 8mg flubromazepams and 100 1mg Clonazolams instead, especially as the clonitrazolam is drying up fast and IMO its one of the best Benzodiazepines I have ever used - I was just a little wary at first as a: I had never used the vendor before, b:weirdly this crowd were one of only 2 or so vendors that had any clonazolam left and c; I had only ever seen 0.5mg vendor pellets and they have always been pink - these guys advertised 3 different C-lam pellet products dosed at 0.25mg, 0.5mg and 1mg. Of course I went straight for the 0.5's which were not available and described as yellow rather than pink in colour, again a Clonazolam preparation that I had not seen or heard described before. The only Clonazolam product that they acually had in stock were the 1mg efforts so with little other option to increase my post ban C-lam stash I went for 50 of them. They were fucking perfect, I had half my ususal dose and got exactly the same lovely effect as what I would have expected if I had used some of my 0.5 pellets instead so I got another 50.

The flubromazpam is the only other RC benzo I rate as highly as C-lam when it comes to abuse potential and the quality of the cotton wool 'benzed' out feeling - Im just conscious that it is a pain in the arse to use due to the exteme latency of the onset and the duration of effects - I personally love being 'benzed' for over 24 hours but I appreciate that other people have a life and have to drive a car so despite the quality of the drug, it's impractical for functional use as although its effects are comparatively potent across the spectrum it does lean more towards a hypnotic type drug despite its powerful and sustained anxiolysis, but with its ridiculous length of action its easy to see why Roche put this one back on the shelf rather than develop it and market it as a sleeping aid.

Ill be testing these tonight just in case they're cack, but the 8mg pellets are physically identical to the ones I have always brought (lime green) which is a good sign and in light of the fantastic quality of the Clonazolam 1mg pellets im not to concerned about any potential bunkness.

P.S> They sent me a gram of 3-fpm as a free gift which was at least 9/10 on the Fubar scale in quality, which I have discussed further in the appropriate thread as that's enough benzo love from me expressed now for the day, as I should be encouraging folk to stay away from these drugs really if they have never had a need for them, but Im a still a junkie and lover of drugs so I have to apologise about my enthusiasm for these chemicals. Hey, at least Flubromazpam has actually been researched by Roche for use in humans, something you can't say for most NPS's.
 
Seems like i should get me sum Clonazolam before it's too late! I've done extensive Research with many other (RC)-Benzos, i.e. Pyrazolam (the most clear-headed, functional one - as i think even better than the Classics - Diazepam, Lorazepam and Alprazolam), within my personal Top-3 Benzo-rating Scale, Flubromazepam (along with), Flubromazolam (the most hypnotic ones i ever had, easily capable to smash one Teeth-first straight into Concrete if not dosed properly; in this regard Flubromazolam is even worse, it's the Benzo-Devil - it's by far the most potent, unpredictable and unforgiving Benzo i came across during my Studies. Flubromazepam is also within my 3 personal faves, as ít is the only one which does provide a somewhat sedating but at the same time even a wee bit euphoric feel i never experienced with any other Derivative! It really surprised me, as i thought no Benzo could have something in the Euphoria-Department, but i was wrong! Of course the awesome Etizolam, a Chem that -as -i think- went instantly into the Classics-Section, as ít's such a damn good Anxiety-Killer but, depending on Tolerance, a tiny bit too hypnotic for my taste to be just functional and unaffected, which makes Pyrazolam the best anxiolytic Agent there is - even though Etizolam still is and probably remains one of the best Benzos out there, putting the last place in my Top-3. Diclazepam is very comparable to Diazepam but perhaps slightly more hypnotic and has a longer onset while being not exactly as efficient as it's Parent-Compound/an Allrounder. It's surely also viable as a mostly anxiolytic Compound but nothing too spectecular! Tetrazepam is one hell of a good Muscle Relaxant, by far the best one can get – unfortunately it's not available anymore and not even Baclofen works as good as this great Benzo, i personally would rate it even higher than Etizolam, but i'd say that the latter has it's properties just too well balanced, well, a bit too hypnotic, but... while Tetrazepam is exclusively interesting as Relaxant. So Etizolam is a bit more useful, stays within my Favorite Benzo-Top-3.

Next one is Nifoxipam, which was much stronger and sedating as expected, an interesting Chem - i'd say it's mostly sedating, or to be precise: makes one calm and serene, but also dulls the mind, at least to a certain, but not to be sneezed at, degree, making it useful in the evening/night time and so is a not so much suitable for use at work (during the day), for example. But even though it's strong it's not even nearly as sedating, flattening as the already mentioned Flubromazolam, which is, besides of the "fun-part" a dangerous and not to be underestimating Monster of a Benzo (i'd say it's for Benzos what PIBF is for Opioids) as the dose/response curve is really really steep.

Sidenote: 4-Fluorobutyrisofentanyl aka. PIBF is by far the most potent hard-hitting, pain-killing and sleep-inducing (well, more precisely it's capable to put one in a rather comatose, half dead/half alive, heavily tranquilized state of all-engulfing, all-surpassing Magnitude) F-Analog on the Market, even every other Ope i know (and i have tried at least 75-80% of all those out there!)! It blows the best #4 out of the Water as it also does Oxycodone, my actual prescription medication Hydromorphone - hell, even all the other novel, highly potent, Kick-Ass (as in that they'll kick your ass if not threated carefully - BIG TIME!) Fentanyl-Analogs, may it be highest Grade A-F, B-F, FU-F, 4F-BF, PFBF (which was a total letdown as i think, but perhaps my Spray was just shitty?!) and 4-Fluorobutyrfentanyl (the last one is the only one i've not sampled) – it's without a single doubt the most potent Opioid freely available, well, at least at the Moment!

God knows what comes next!?

It's on top of that comparably also the longest-acting Compound, up to 7-10hrs+- incl. afterglow and it really floored me as nothing else did and it did not just once! So shame on the I-Moron, he (me) who became his own, biggest threat while playing with such ridiculously potent kinda RC-Nitroglycerine! And this is why i compare it with it's Benzodiazepine-Counterpart, which for me is Flubromazolam, the strongest, most hypnotic Derivative in it's Class (at least of all those i've tried in the past years): "Thors-Benzo-Sledgehammer!" - this one knocks you out faster as you can realize it if the dose is not carefully titrated and accordingly administered.

It happened to me - took the pre-weighed Dose at the late morning (via rectal Administration) and woke up in the evening, laying in the Bathroom without the slightest hint of what happened, and it not just ruined me the day i took it, it ruined me the following day, the complete Weekend (i had plans, very important ones and i didn't do them), the following week(s), the month(s) and finally ruined my Relationship back then!

Could someone with experience with both tell me the differences between Clonazolam and Flubromazolam – are they similar to each other, equipotent, to come to an End: is this Benzo really so much different when compared with those i'm experienced with, or are these just minor! Thing is, i'm not really a Fan of Benzos, as their effects are too subtle for recreational use and too dangerous to take regularly, so it's important to know what makes Clonazolam so special?

Stay safe out there and don't overdo it like i did – it's just not worth it and there are more things in life, important ones, that shouldn't be forgotten!
 
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Could someone with experience with both tell me the differences between Clonazolam and Flubromazolam – are they similar to each other, equipotent, to come to an End: is this Benzo really so much different when compared with those i'm experienced with, or are these just minor! Thing is, i'm not really a Fan of Benzos, as their effects are too subtle for recreational use and too dangerous to take regularly, so it's important to know what makes Clonazolam so special?
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Oki doke, lets see if I can make sense, Ill give myself a 50/50 chance at this stage. I have no in depth knowledge of psychopharmacology so perhaps Sprout or someone will correct me in necessary.

There are a number of different subtypes of benzpdiazepines, for instance, for example, the 7 - nitro group of benzos contain some of our pharmacological favourites including Clonazepam (Rivotril / Klonopin), Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) and Nitrazepam (Mogadon). Diazepam, the gold standard of benzos, belongs to a different subtype, the 2 - keto group.

The the drug Triazolam (Halcion) was first patented in 1970, it was the first example of a new subtype of benzodiazepines, the triazolobenzodiazepines, or triazolos. The inclusion of the triazolo structure within the molecule produced an ultra - short acting, potent benzodiazepine that was extremely active at sub milligram doses (0.25mg of triazolam = 10mg diazepam). As this was the first drug of its kind, it gave its name to this subtype of drugs/ The most common triazolobenzo in medical use at present is probably Alprazolam (Xanax). You can tell the difference between triazolo benzos and other subtypes due to its name - most benzodiazepines end with 'pam' at the end of their name as a pose to the triazolos whose names tend to end with 'lam' (this is not a hard and fast rule as the Imidazo subtype of benzos also often end with 'lam', Loprazolam and Midazolam being good examples.)

Now we have that out the way ill describe my experiences with the 2 most popular triazolo NPS benzos, Clonitrazolam (Clonazolam) and Flubromazolam.

Clonazepam has always been my favourite pharm grade benzo due to the the potency of the preparation (they come in 2mg tablets which are equal to about 30mgs of diazepam), their long acting duration and, of course, the wonderful benzed effect they produce, broad in spectrum but not overly sedating which makes them ideal for daytime use.

When it comes to NPS benzos Flubromazepam quickly became my favourite, despite the problem with its duration which I have described above.

NPS chemists eventually produced 'triazolo' versions of both the drugs I have described above. By altering the drugs molecules in this way it would be expected that the resulting drugs would be somewhat similar to their non 'triazolo' parents, only both subjectively stronger and more potent by weight and with a shorter duration of action.

Clonitrazolam was the first I tried and found the effect wonderful and almost as good as flubromazepam in terms of the almost euphoric lovely anxiolytic effect they produced. They felt similar in some respects to Clonazepam, only they were markedly more sedating and required about half of the dose to produce a comparable effect. As expected, the duration of action was shorter than that of Clonazepam, taking effect within 15 minutes to an hour and lasting approx. 12 hours, classifying them as an internediate acting benzo. (Clonazepam is classed as a long acting benzo, admittedly one of the shorter acting, long acting benzos with an average duration of affect between 18 - 24 hours).

Flubromazolam then of course is the 'triazolo' version of flubromazpam, and despite reporting my experiences before on Bluelight I will repeat them here due to the unusual reaction I had to this particular drug. As a child of the extremely potent flubromazepam, I had expected this one to be hyper potent and these suspicions were confirmed when the first trip reports came in - the drug was so potent it was sold in doses of 250mgs layed onto blotters as well as acting as the active ingredient in vendor pressed pellets. I got 25 as a tester and took 1.25mg as an initial dose (I have a silly high tolerance to benzodiazepines - despite using them 2 -3 times a week max nothing with an equivalence lower than that of 50 - 60mg diazepam will touch the sides).

Flubromazolam - 1st dose - 1.25mg: Took about 20 minutes to take effect after which I was literally crawling around the carpet. I have to say that they blew my head off, giving me one of the most potent benzo experiences I have ever exerienced.

2nd Dose - 2 days later. I took 2mg (silly I know) but rather than knocking me sideways they had much less of an effect, perhaps equivalent to 40 - 50 mgs Diazepam. ??? I had hear that f-LAM was notorious for raising ones tolerance so I gave myself a tolerance break, taking no benzodiazepines for a week to see if I could re-capture the initial effect.

3rd dose - 8 days later - I took 3mgs of f-LAM which had NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER. What was really strange though was that I could continue to get good effect from the other benzos I has in my possession (my standard collection includes Diazepam and Clonazepam from the pharm end and Nifoxipam, Clonazolam, Flubromazepam and 2,Chloro - Diazepam (Diclazepam) from the NPS end). The only way I can explain this specific tolerance escalation to f-LAM is that the initial dose I took was so strong that it permanently blew whatever metabolic pathway the drug used to induce its effect. The tolerance appears permanent as I tries a final 3mg dose about 6 months later with only minor effects.

To conclude, Clonazolam appears to be a highly potent and pleasant drug, if benzos are your thing,but predictable in its effects, dose response and durartion.

Flubromazolam however is in my opinion a complete mystery and should be avoided, it has no predictable effects regardless of dose or tolerance and has absolutely no use beyond trying a single dose out of curiosity

Thanks for reading yet another long winded post. I hope that it gives THCified some idea of these drugs and their effects.
 
That's quite a nice post @steewith2ees and i think from what you've said i'm getting a picture of what this specific Compound is like. I'm currently prescribed Valium but think about asking to switch to Klonopin, that's bcuz my current Med isn't doing it's job as it did once/should do! I've got Alprazolam and Lorazepam before but didn't like them as in they didn't help me with my anxiety problems, even though they are well known to be the best choices to threat anxiety related issues.

On a sidenote i should add that i do take the Valium rarely, as i fear addiction and even more wd's after discontinuation - but what i don't get is why it doesn't help anymore? I mean i do take it not often but it's just not working anymore... Perhaps my brain's adapted to it, but in a traditional manner this is making no sense since that's only happening if you take it/something too often (what's not the case) - do you probably know why it's like that?

I know Pyraz or Etiz are good for anxiety disorders but i wanna use a pharm grade Med as i'm actually sick (it's amongst other things mostly related to me being diagnozed ADHD) and don't abuse Benzos or do them recreationally - really dunno what's the fuzz 'bout taking them to get high, as they're so dangerous and nothing i would do more often as needed!

Many thanks for helping me out M8!
 
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If pure therapeutic functional anxiolysis is your aim then Chlorodiazepam/Diclazepam is certainly worth looking at.
 
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