Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread v. 19

[Opiephoric!.]

Damn my mind is all over too! Ive been doing my full-time job the past couple weeks and its making me crazy. My training class is so tiny, 5 of us and 3 of the girls in there are 18, 19, and 21. They are just the "best of friends" after just meeting in this class, but its fake as fuck. When one of them is out of the room the other two talk mad shit about her til she returns. Ha ha ha and they were even taking selfies today on break. I wanted to slap the phone across the room. They follow each other everywhere on breaks and won't get up to go back to class until someone else goes first. It's Exactly like high school again.
I need a damn klonopin script! I get paid next week and may go to my pill lady for some, she's been missing my money apparently because she Facebook messages me every week asking if I'll have a car or ride to come "hang out" hahaaa. I have a psych appt set up for next month, we'll see if I can get something for my real life anxiety. Ive been on ativan and klonopin, so we'll see what he says. Doctors orders! Or I go buy 40 next week, I kinda like that way better
Hope all you subbers are doing great!

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

^Nice to see ya Opiep! Are you still tapering or rather down to 2mg still? I know you talked about insurance issues and all. Wow I don't know whether to laugh or feel bad about the job situation. I can't do drama like that either. I ran into someone from my old job and she starts talking about this person and that, then she goes, "oh yeah you never bothered with others, you always kept to yourself". Ha, damn right! I've always been a loner, but more now. Don't know if it's suboxone or not. I still crave, I need to stay up on 4mg a day, went back up yesterday, so I know I need a couple more doses to build up, and take cravings away. Can't sleep as usual, its 3:30 in morning and snowing blizzard like here, best to all.

 

[poloblue]

Lolololol sub doc scribes me clonidine. Must want me to take whole bottle for zero effects. W.e makes him happy.

Bono- personally I think anything over 4mg is overkill & reckitts way of maximizing proffs. Some days I'd do 1 or 2 buns (bun=10 bags where I'm from) sometimes 3 or sometimes just half if it was terrible day lol but mostly between 1-3 & they wanted me on 16mg sub to start....well I was completely fine & in better spirits only taking 4 of those 16mg....part of me thinks they know this n they hope as much of their med as poss gets diverted lol actually a good business plan just not for humanity ha

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

^I agree Polo, you funny. The ceiling effect, right? Once your receptors are full there in no more purpose for the med. I know 4mg takes cravings away, so why waste the med. I think these pharmacy companies should be paying us to use their product. 28 days clean and 4mg sub on board, can't complain for now.

 

[poloblue]

Yepp just a waste I.m.o & prolongs taper which provides more opportunities to possibly get sick n b discouraged to lower again for months atleast that's wat happened to me couple times, now I taper like twice as slow as doc recommends.

Haha Oh man a couple months ago I sneezed out my meds after only havin em in mouth for like 5 mins. Call clinic I'm like should I take more I don't want to get sick but I don't want to fuck my taper up either & take double if I did absorb meds. She's like oh ya if u feel fine now u should be fine until tomo...bitch I feel fine now cuz I didn't sneeze out my medicine yesterday...if I did like I did today....I'd be fuckin sick, by night time or the a.m.... that's y I'm callin....I didn't say that I just hung up after she said I should b fine. Couldn't handl the stupidity, No business giving ppl medical advice if that's their answer lol I prefer this site over any doc I've yet to have tbh, not saying that's smart or what ppl should do but it beats the BS they usually spew. This site is actual ppl who have been through shit b4 know whatsup n can speak from actual experience, Ill take that everyday over idiocy or someone reciting from an outdated textbook like one size fits all.

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

Couldn't agree more. Last year before I took the plunge, I read all these threads from the first, and I learnt more here then anywhere. And I feel confident, like you said, first hand experience is where it is at. It's a shame for people that don't read this site and just take docs word, it is their loss. I have gotten educated here and feel like I am finally successful at this, even for a short time albeit, I have a good understanding of suboxone, now, and a deep respect for this med, it is giving me a better way to live, bono

 

[Opiephoric!.]

Ha polo, I threw up my methadone dose in the clinic this last summer right in front of the dosing window, it was actually soon as I downed the solution. I took the wafers and it was 120 mg of pills, just 3 40 mg wafers, anyway it was chalk water And soon as if hit my gag reflex I excorcism spewed all over the trash can under window. Nurse was like " on you probably got it in your system, can't re dose ya, sorry" needless to say I was hurting all damn day! Til I downed 5 sixties. The OPs, boo!
But yes mojo, I'm at 2 mg still can't drop lower or I get anger problems, like I want to bitch about every little thing and I'm just mad all over. Never had that issue before, but I did ask my doctor to keep me on subs for a year total just so I can get in the groove of my job and he agreed. He's very good too, he doesn't charge me cash and he accepted me into his program on methadone while he weaned me off. He's a former military doctor too and Truly wants to help he said. So I got lucky cause most are greedy fuckers with zero compassion.

 

[poloblue]

Oh ya I've learned exponentially more info on things I've needed info about on here lol nothing really beats personal experience. Feel sooooooooo bad for the ppl who've been brought up to blindly trust their docs advice or not look into shit on their own, seriously robbing themselves. Gonna go dab n play some vid games tho, lol only thing that seems to slow my mind to the speed limit. Unless I take benzos, & I just try not to, although I really think they're what I need, ive lost too many weeks in the past because of them so has me weary. But because of that I think maybe I would b responsible w/ them. At the same time I'm an addict so idfk, been waitin till I absolutely need them to engage in that crap shoot

 

[poloblue]

Ha polo, I threw up my methadone dose in the clinic this last summer right in front of the dosing window, it was actually soon as I downed the solution. I took the wafers and it was 120 mg of pills, just 3 40 mg wafers, anyway it was chalk water And soon as if hit my gag reflex I excorcism spewed all over the trash can under window. Nurse was like " on you probably got it in your system, can't re dose ya, sorry" needless to say I was hurting all damn day! Til I downed 5 sixties. The OPs, boo!
But yes mojo, I'm at 2 mg still can't drop lower or I get anger problems, like I want to bitch about every little thing and I'm just mad all over.

Ya I ended up taking a tiny piece more just in case & was fine, but dude ive had random instances where I flip shit too for seemingly no reason. Maybe it is the sub? Last week I just yelled at my pup for the stupidest shit & felt so bad about it immediately after, but at the time I couldn't control the anger & im really neverrrr like that. I'm sooo chill just about 100% of the time besides the couple random instances . Seriously I treat others how I want to be treated & It just made me feel like such a douchebag / bad pet owner . lol she my bestfriend unconditionally loves n is there for me, & she's a fuckin dog I would never take my anger out on her under usual circumstances it has to b some kind of chem reaction

 

[Opiephoric!.]

This site and some others is how I've learned about suboxones wonders. Alot of doctors think naloxone is what blocks and I've had ridiculous debates with fellow subbers about that. There is a doctor Junig who had good advice on buprenorphine, I looked at his forums occasionally. But here is like a little meeting where we can talk about Anything and not be judged. I used to go to NA and since I was on methadone/buprenorphine they never considered me clean, also they had a bit of an arrogance too. Looked down on people for relapsing and it seemed like a contest at meetings who could speak the most eloquent sober wisdom, though some people were awesome, not all.

 

[poloblue]

Y'all r cool btw its nice to shoot the shit n vent a lil w/ ppl who are like minded n can actually relate..my friend group mostly all just pot heads makes talking bout my subs or anything besides thc kinda awkward for me lol

 

[Opiephoric!.]

Ha sorry, I'm going through an angry spell currently. I keep bringing up shit that's missing me off. I thought maybe it's due to my past drug abuse but really it's only been lately on the bupe. Usually weed chi!ls me and klonopin, but I've not been dabbling lately either. Strictly taking bupe maybe it is a chemical thang polo. I should investigate :D

 

[poloblue]

This site and some others is how I've learned about suboxones wonders. Alot of doctors think naloxone is what blocks and I've had ridiculous debates with fellow subbers about that. There is a doctor Junig who had good advice on buprenorphine, I looked at his forums occasionally. But here is like a little meeting where we can talk about Anything and not be judged. I used to go to NA and since I was on methadone/buprenorphine they never considered me clean, also they had a bit of an arrogance too. Looked down on people for relapsing and it seemed like a contest at meetings who could speak the most eloquent sober wisdom, though some people were awesome, not all.

Haven't been to Na in like 4 years lol but that is deff how they are I'd just b pissed being told I'm not sober cuz I'm on my subs n smoke. Ain't tryin to measure my dicks w/ those ppl lol. Me being clean is for me & the ppl I love, not for them. Idc wat opinions they have on it , to me, I'm clean because I stay away from my DOC that would have otherwise killed me or landed me behind bars. That's what it means to me & is enough for me.

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

^Same thing here! I just lose it at times!! My son told me I needed anger management awhile ago, I do think it is the subs. I am usually calm, cool, collected, all that but seriously since I have been on these, I blow a gasket at times. Mostly when I went down from 4mg to 2mg I think, I'm gonna stay at 4mg for now because the cravings mess with me, bono

 

[poloblue]

I would bet it is a chemical thing whether there's info out there on it or not . Just knowing myself & the chillness of opie & bono as well as we all seem to only have it happen around the lower doses . Maybe mild w/d symptom or something? There's a lot more shit than what reckitt puts on their warning labels. My therapist tight w/ a rep for sub so I just got this complaint form from them (reck)to fill out because I woke up w/ the backs of my 4 bottom teeth (the ones sub sits behind under tongue) stained brown 1 morning month or 2 ago like I went to sleep w/ mouth of blood or soda. I take good care my mouth I look at my teeth everyday lol , it didn't build up or anything it was just boom there 1 day. Same spot where I put sub n my gums aren't as nice lookin as they used to b either n so I just know it's the sub. Started a thread n mad ppl chimed in w/ similar problems. Obv the sub rep & clinic say it couldn't be the sub & that's not a documented side effect. But it deff is & can be. I woke up one morning last year w/ the same problem. Each time took me an hour w/ a fuckin dental tool to get that shit off back to normal.

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

Yup I just did my homework, I write stuff down and on Jan 10 I had cut down to 2mg, and I wrote about a blow up I had. It's gotta be low dose!! I remember feeling like I wanted to go to top of a mountain and scream, or leave, I felt like I was gonna explode, so there I have it. And I been craving bad too, since. I am at 4mg now and staying at this cause I guess that is my stable spot.

 

[poloblue]

Yeah that's the only thing it could logically be to me, I'm never like that & exact same feeling like exploding w/ anger want to scream on mountain lol I never get those feelings in my life either it was only when I went low on my dose at first or when I didn't take my anti depress for a week ended up breakin my hand on concrete outside but im really never like that lol

 

[Opiephoric!.]

I had a thought this morning on the anger issue, maybe. I know when I used full agonist opiates, oxy, heroin, hydrocodone etc. That I had a real short fuse and tolerance for minor annoyances. I know full agonists cause irritability in most people, although I can't speak for all. It's just what I've experienced with my pals when we used together, talk about bitchfest! Playing call of duty, Mario kart and GoldenEye turned vicious!
Anyway, maybe since bupe acts as a full agonist at lower doses, I think 2 mg and lower? But our brains could be feeling the norbuprenorphine at the lower doses and since its a full agonist then, we get irritation and other effects ,but sadly we won't feel euphoria or any other good opiate side effects cause of our tolerance. I know when I tapered off bupe last year, I would catch a buzz once I got down to half a mg. I couldn't get high the whole year off bupe prior, but once I started the taper, I felt great at 1 mg and under, that's what I'm attempting lately. I'm just stuck at 2 mg and can't get that good feel, if I snort it kinda gives an uppity mood smiley effect.

 

[poloblue]

Makes a lot of sense opie & have me crackin up at golden eye turning vicious haha. But I deff remember being very irritable on oxy, I wasn't aware it acts as a full agonist @ lower doses tho, that's true? That's interesting if so & I wonder why....Learn new things everyday. I was pretty irritable & experiencing random instances of rage over the stupidest shit when I got down to 1 & now half mg....it's been almost 2 months now though since I got down here & havent been having those symptoms or feeling as "addicty" as I was when I first got this low. Literally didn't know what to do n was callin for opies :/ lol like haven't used em in 3 yrs & was hoping just to make it passed xmas w/o using... luckily made it passed those days only doin lil Coke on NYE, tried havin a beer n remembered y I don't like drinkin lol gotta enjoy ourselves sometime right? was never my prob drug n able to drop whenev thankfully. 1x2x/yr not enough to have me say I lost my sobriety, nope. Prob y I prefer just seein whatsup here then bein made feel shitty @NA cuz I smoke or on subs or did the NY thing. That shit doesn't turn my life to shambles n if it doesn't thats good enough for me atm

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

^All good stuff. Same thing with me. Then when I got down to 2mg then 1mg, I also got that buzz, but needed 1mg twice a day, otherwise I had withdrawl sx, and the cravings were bad. I took 4mg yest and today, have 45 subs left, hoping to make it until I get new doc and all, I love this forum because I am clean and won't be judged, like in the rooms for being on subs, thanx all!