the 2014/2015 nfl thread v. R U RDY 4 SUM FOOTBAW?

[alasdairm]

The Bills could get caught injecting themselves with the stem cells of unborn fetuses they ripped out of living pregnant womens' wombs and I'd still be a Bills fan.

If I was ali I'd just be disappointed for the reasons I mentioned, not because of some internal moral dilemma. If the Bills cheated their way to the Superbowl I'd still do cartwheels. But the Pats have been good for so long they shouldn't have to do shit like that. They're risking destroying everything they've worked for during the past 15 years for the smallest advantage they don't even really need. As a fan that would really piss me off.

again, pretty much agree with everything you writ here.

Would i still be a packers fan.. how could i not..

so why am i criticized for remaining a patriots fan? why do you assume that i condone cheating?



alasdair

 

[neversickanymore]

so why am i criticized for remaining a patriots fan? why do you assume that i condone cheating?



alasdair

Well seems like your in a conundrum here.. got there because the team you love cheats..

But i also haven't heard a peep about trying to get rid of the bad apples... like those wins.. what does that say?

 

[treezy z]

Patriots fan here. Colts game should be a forfeit. No superbowl.

Why cheat against an inferior team, at home

 

[alasdairm]

Well seems like your in a conundrum here.. got there because the team you love cheats..

But i also haven't heard a peep about trying to get rid of the bad apples... like those wins.. what does that say?

i think you're just selectively reading my posts in here. i don't get it.

alasdair

 

[GenericMind]

Patriots fan here. Colts game should be a forfeit. No superbowl.

Why cheat against an inferior team, at home

Superbowl has wayyy too much money involved for that to happen. There are two routes I could see the NFL going here. Either a bullshit slap on the wrist with like a $100,000 fine and MAYBE the loss of a midround pick OR they could go hard and fine them + take away their first round pick.

What they should really do is suspend Bellichick, because I think there's something wrong with his head and he gets some kind of power trip getting away with stuff like this, like he feels smarter than everyone else and above the league. If they want to stop his behavior they need to come down hard in HIM. Because he obviously didn't learn his lesson from Spygate. And why should he? Did a $500k fine and lost draft pick hurt the Pats at all? No. They still kicked ass afterwards.

If they want to stop Bellichick's cheating they need to hit him where it hurts and suspend him. It's the best way to give him a harsh punishment without hurting the players of the Patriots who probably aren't involved with most of his shenanigans.

 

[neversickanymore]

i think you're just selectively reading my posts in here. i don't get it.

alasdair

it's not a shocker that people want to find as way to taint ne's victory.

In reality NE found a way to taint their own victory.

if it turns out to be true, they should be sanctioned like any other team which breaks an nfl rule.

on the taping thing, they broke a rule and paid the price. you guys really need to move on.

What price did they pay? Does it reflect what was gained and kept?

your teams are probably doing it, they just weren't stupid enough to get caught.

Objection.. total speculation and this idea is just a fantasy to make you feel better about cheating. Trust me I watch our defense get smoked.. if they knew what was coming they suck as bad as a pop team.

Originally Posted by mike reiss of espn
The Patriots, assuming the initial inspection of footballs by referee Walt Anderson and his crew was done correctly and that weather wasn't a factor, should be held accountable.

tend to agree.

alasdair

Shows what a honest stand up guy you are, which I already knew and posted in this discussion.

These are the only posts i think i did not respond to.

We make our own reality. Beating my own addiction and modding recovery I can instantly smell when a person is buying into their own shit.. im not saying your an addict, well for anything but the pats.. but where, in anything you have posted, did you indicate that you would like to see the cheaters identified and punished or let go.

Fining a team or coach that goes to the superbowl is ridiculous.. its like when the government fines a company 50% of what they make by breaking the rules.. really its the gov just taking their cut. PERIOD.

Loss of a draft choice or two.. huhh I wonder of that hurts the prospects of a super bowl team in free agency.. kinda think not.

??

 

[alasdairm]

In reality NE found a way to taint their own victory.

you're posting comments i made before the deflation investigation was complete and answering them in the context of evidence obtained afterwards. there's a timeline you are totally ignoring to try to make me look bad. why would you do that?

What price did they pay? Does it reflect what the gained and kept?

they broke an nfl rule and they should be punished accordingly (i.e the punishment laid down by the nfl for this offence).

Objection.. total speculation and this idea is just a fantasy to make you feel better about cheating.

it's not a fantasy. it's a matter of opinion with which you disagree. that's fine.

i fucking hate bill cowher but he agrees with me: Cowher downplays Patriots' Spygate, says 'everyone' tried to steal signals

...did you indicate that you would like to see the cheaters identified and punished...

i indicated it clearly in post #1621.

So what do you think ali, after i presented my take

i think that the patriots broke a rule and should be punished accordingly by the nfl for doing so. that's what i've said all along and i can't understand how that's not crystal clear to any reasonable observer.

even gm sees it so i'm not sure why or how you can't.

alasdair

 

[neversickanymore]

you're posting comments i made before the deflation investigation was complete and answering them in the context of evidence obtained afterwards. there's a timeline you are totally ignoring to try to make me look bad. why would you do that?

I'm not trying to make you look bad. I went through every relevant post on the subject you implied i did not read.

they broke an nfl rule and they should be punished accordingly (i.e the punishment laid down by the nfl for this offence).

They clearly gained and kept more than they lost.. this really isn't a punishment is it? (past results)

it's not a fantasy. it's a matter of opinion with which you disagree. that's fine.
i fucking hate bill cowher but he agrees with me: Cowher downplays Patriots' Spygate, says 'everyone' tried to steal signals

Your opinion is based on speculation.. my fact is based on proof.

i indicated it clearly in post #1621.
i think that the patriots broke a rule and should be punished accordingly by the nfl for doing so. that's what i've said all along and i can't understand how that's not crystal clear to any reasonable observer.

even gm sees it so i'm not sure why or how you can't.

alasdair

What do you feel is a just punishment for the pats at this point in the game?

 

[alasdairm]

the nfl has rules which govern punishment in a case like this. the pats should receive the punishment specified by the nfl for this.

alasdair

 

[neversickanymore]

Ever wonder why american games have so many bloody rules?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

Yep.. its an underlying cultural moral strong enough to go to war. even if its just a manipulation at times.. i have not reached a conclusion yet on whether its good or bad.. guess like all things and is a bit of both.

i was wondering around and found this, thought it might be yours. I figured the pats need a guy like you in their ranks.. you know the good and bad thing.

 

[treezy z]

I've been laying in bed depressed about this whole matter so I spoke to a lawyer on the situation. He pointed out that 11 out of 12 balls looks bad but doesn't mean anything until a LOT more questions get answered.

I'm reserving judgment until the investigation is complete. If they cheated it will be painful to watch the Superbowl.

 

[neversickanymore]

I've been laying in bed depressed about this whole matter so I spoke to a lawyer on the situation. He pointed out that 11 out of 12 balls looks bad but doesn't mean anything until a LOT more questions get answered.

Thats what they all say.. up until you pay them

 

[GenericMind]

lmao did you really call a lawyer?

 

[GenericMind]

Regardless of what happens things are getting pretty interesting and we're getting a look some internal stuff we normally wouldn't see. Fox Sports is now reporting that the Colts were tipped off by the Baltimore Ravens about the Patriots deflating balls prior to the AFC Championship. This is the first I've ever heard of teams ever watching out for one another. They're suggesting it's due to teams disliking the Patriots for being a shiesty team. Makes sense since nobody would notice these little sneaky things the Patriots do better than the players and coaches that play against them.

They're also reporting that the Colts noticed something wrong with the 2 balls they intercepted from the Pats in their game versus them earlier in the season and complained to the league. I'd imagine Goodell made a call to Robert Kraft and told him to straighten it out, which is probably why there are reports that the NFL is really pissed about this. They probably unofficially told them to cut the shit but Bellichick did it again anyway and got caught, in a conference championship game no less.

It's kind of like a soap opera lol.

 

[treezy z]

Genericmind my uncle runs a law firm and ya, I called him.

 

[pharmakos]

i'll tell ya one thing about my favorite team -- i guarantee the Lions aren't cheaters.

 

[LuGoJ]

Genericmind my uncle runs a law firm and ya, I called him.

 

[GenericMind]

bahahaha

 

[GenericMind]

It's funny because there have been plenty of people that have been saying for years that the Patriots are cheaters. Not only because of Spygate, but because of their actual play. Anyone that watches a ton of football can tell you that the Patriots win so many games because they do almost everything better than every other team in the league. So much so that it defies logic. It simply didn't make sense for a team(even with Tom Brady) to be that consistently good for so many years in every little category that every other team struggles with. Every single team's passing game struggles in bad weather, except the Patriots. Every other team struggles with turnovers at some point, except the Patriots. Injuries to key players devastate every other team in the league, but not the Patriots. They lose half their starters and don't miss a beat. Lots of little things.

Yes, some of that can be attributed to Tom Brady being so good and Bill Bellichick being so smart. But not all of it. People that have been claiming the Patriots must be cheating, even before this deflation crap came out, said so because it's impossible to do what the Patriots do. It transcends having an amazing QB or coach.

Who knows how long they were filming opposing coaches' signals during games before they got caught in 2007? people also forget that they got busted for using weird radio signals during that same investigation. The league could never pin the exact reason, but it was most likely to listen to calls opposing teams were making. The official report says the Patriots "were found using several strange radio frequencies that the team could not properly give an excuse for." Who knows how many years they were using slightly under-inflated balls to make it easier for their offense to throw and catch, and making it easier for their ball carriers to not fumble? People saying this deflategate scandal isn't a big deal need to realize just how big an advantage something like that would give you over a period of time. Consider this:

The Patriots are the only team in the league that average MORE yards per pass in bad weather games than they do in fair weather games. Here's a breakdown of some of the top passing teams over 2010-2014:

And what about fumbles? Surely a huge game-changing event in any game. A deflated ball is much easier for a runner or WR to grip onto and not be stripped of. How have the Patriots' fumble stats stacked up over the past few years compared to the rest of the league?

2014: 2nd least fumbles lost
2013: t5th least fumbles lost
2012: t4th least fumbles lost
2011: t1st least fumbles lost
2010: 1st least fumbles lost
2009: t4th least fumbles lost

Am I to believe that every player on the Patriots roster over the past 5 years, even though they've gone through so many different RBs and WRs during that time, just happen to have some of the best hands in the league? No. The chances of that are slim to none. Ex Patriots players have also accused Bellichick of having players listed on the injury list practice during the week(which is illegal). if true it's no wonder his players never seem to come in "cold" after missing games due to injury. They come back and pick up right where they left off.

All of these things might seem minor, but when you add them all together, combined with god knows what other rules he's bending or breaking, it adds up to a distinct advantage that explains the Patriots' unexplainable consistent success over the past 15 years.

And now you know why I hate the Patriots.

 

[One Thousand Words]

All these actions of "cheating" simply highlights what a bunch of weak will pussies the rest of the compitition is. Intercepting radio signals and hand signs from the coach? Why not make the calls at the huddle? The QB usually has a fucking scroll on their wrist, why not fucking use it. The game has become so complex and complicated that a bunch of nit picking just makes you look precious. The balls used by the patriots are too soft? Here's an idea, why don't the referees bring along a single ball and both teams use that? If the ball goes into the crowd, throw it back and get on with the game. Training while on the injured list? You know what we called that when I was playing? Not being a fucking pussy.

Do you want to know what cheating looks like? It's hiring a mariachi band to play all night outside the visiting team hotel, so no one can get any sleep. It's hiring hookers to blackmail star players on tour. It's disconnecting the hot water from the away teams shower and hosing down the floor so it is the most miserable, mold covered changing shed on the planet. It's grabbing a players testicles or gouging their eyes while on the bottom of the ruck. It's giving a player a facial into the mud as you lift yourself to your feet after a tackle. NFL has become so polished and so refined that the players have forgotten what it takes to win. It's not whinging when someone pulls a swiftly on them, it's gritting your teeth and making sure you never drop a ball or miss a tackle. If you can't win the game at least win the brawl in the car park after the game.