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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Mescaline and Mesc. Cactus Thread - 3rd Button

^ That's fine, Shulgin can savor the bitterness of his compounds all he wants. I prefer to start my trips without that taste in my mouth. ;)

Ismene: I got moderate nausea from my 200mg extracted dose, and pretty bad lying-in-the-fetal-position nausea from 300mg. Though I got the sense that some of it was psychosomatic and due to being stuck inside with it raining all day. I might have felt better if I could have taken a walk outside and gotten some sun...
 
on the mixture of cocaine & mescaline:
I did this a long time ago at a festival. Potentiated the mescaline, especially visually, A LOT for around 20 minutes, it was extremely euphoric. I can't say it was bad mix at all actually but it really hits with a boom... it certainly didn't inflate my ego but contributed to ego-loss....
Cocaine might be a 'dirty' addictive euphoriant drug, but the mixture was... well idk, something else entirely - like a candyflip I guess.
 
Need a little advice on this lady--I've eaten san Pedro a couple times, and once had the sacrament at a half moon ceremony, but never had a chance to try the synthetic. I acquired a gram of it about 2 years ago from a good friend who always seems to have oddities. My gf hounded me to eat some w her while drunk one night and I refused, so she decided to brat out and go grab the vial and dump some in her mouth..which ended up weighing a little over 400mg she purged right up anyway. Sigh.

So my question is to experience w synth mesc, is the remaining 580 or so I have evn worth splitting two ways, or should I just eat 4-500 and save the other Hundo for a combo or something? My whole reason i held onto it forever was to share the experience, but I don't wanna waste it. Opinion greatly appreciated.
 
IMO / IME if you want a psychedelic experience there is a good chance it is not worth splitting both ways, especially if you got the sulfate salt or even less potent ones. If you want to have 2 emotional / spiritual healing sessions instead of one potent trip then you could split it.

So it really depends on whether you want to explore the entheogenic and psychedelic potential because even at 450 mg of the HCl (most potent salt) I didn't really find it heavy, although there was a pronounced body high. It is excellent as a therapeutic drug at more modest doses like low dose MDMA: opening you up without necessarily rolling or tripping or sth like that.
 
Considering taking mescaline next Thursday (12/12). Last week I took 125mg 4-FA (11/27) and ~900ug 25B-NBOMe (11/29). I'm also thinking about taking some MDA at a show on Friday (12/6). Would there be significant cross-tolerance from those drugs?
 
Hey I plan on making a tea or doing an alcohol extraction of T. Bridgesii (1-2 12 inch cuttings) within the next few weeks, this will be my first time experimenting with mescaline and I have some questions about dosage and about the nausea associated with mescaline. When you make a tea is it solely the taste of the tea that makes you nauseous or is it the consistency and plant matter? Also is the taste comparable to kratom at all? I can down that stuff with ease.

Is the nausea significantly reduced with the alcohol extraction? I have seen some people say its worse but that doesn't really seem to make much sense. Would taking the doses over a longer period of time help at all? Any other help and tips would be great, I probably need it. I have been doing a lot of reading on it the last few weeks but could always use more. Is it likely is it to get a low yielding T. Bridgesii? I have read reports of low yielding cacti but I haven't seen one for T. Bridgesii.

I saw the D-Limonene Tek also but would the be feasible for someone with no formal chemistry knowledge? I would prefer to come out of this with crystals if possible.

EDIT: I thought this was the extraction thread, if this post could be moved to it I would appreciate it. Thank you
 
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Hi.
May I ask a question ?
The idea that peyote needs to be about 10 years old to be worth eating, is there any evidence of this or is it just one of those things that spreads word of mouth so many times people accept it as fact ?

I have googled this btw, not totally lazy just thought I'd ask.

P.S appreciate any responses, no rush ( it may well be 10 years before it really matters ! )
P.P.S I won't be depleting natural stocks so no worries of me eating an endangered species

Cheers my love
All the best
 
Hey Bummer:

It makes me so happy to hear you aren't going to be depleting the natural stocks of this endangered plant! It's such a special organism, we really need to protect, because it's given us all so much. It's really not OK to eat wild harvested peyote anymore, because we can grow it indoors, or use alternatives like the abundant and prolific San Pedro or Peruvian Torch, or the synthetics (mescaline or other phenethlamines). Long live Lophophora!

I think there is truth to the old peyote being more full of alkyloids. From experience, I can say that eating a 2 gnarly old anicent peyote buttons was as strong as I reckon most reports I've read of the 4-6 buttons people say is the "normal" dose. It's hard to say though, because old buttons are also larger, so is there more alkyloid per weight? Not sure, but again I suspect so. I think the plant produces alkyloids as some kind of metabolic byproduct over it's whole life, and this mescaline etc. just builds up during the course of it's life. AFAIK they don't excrete the mescaline, and it seems to be a metabolic endpoint for the chemical. We know that phenethylamines are very stable, and this is probably true inside the plant as well.

I think everyone should buy some peyote seeds and start growing! Then when you're old and grey, you'll have an old grandpa peyote waiting for you :) Even if you never eat it, they are one of the most beautiful plants in the world, and a make a great companion. Sadly, my peyote plant died when it was uprooted and squished by an infant, so I need to start over.

Also, it seems you can speed up the growing a lot by grafting. Check out grafting on pereskiopsis, and San Pedro.
 
I recently had an absolute blast on 275mg of mescaline HCl (it's been over a year), but it was quite underwhelming in terms of psychedelia relative to 100mcg LSD or 2g shrooms. Can I expect more with a higher dosage? By higher I'm talking 350-400mg. I ask this because taking higher dosages of 2C-B didn't affect my head space as much and as such I gave up on doing it by itself. I'm looking for a 'functional' psychedelic trip like 100-150mcg LSD.
 
I didn't find 450 mg of mesc HCl to even be that trippy, but it was still strong in the visionary department. It was good for showing me my path, and cleansing the soul somehow. With closed eyes I was transported to another world (a vision) and effects were very strong - I lied down on a sofa like that for a while totally immersed, but with open eyes there was not much activity the rest of the experience apart from a very pure look at things as if seeing their true nature and aesthetics.

Please choose another compound if you want more typical psychedelia, such as many a tryptamine... and use the mescaline accepting it for what it is, which is special in its own right.

Others do seem to get the more typical trippiness at higher doses though, so I guess despite my advice it is not impossible for everyone.
 
I have never really had a lot of trippiness from mescaline either, though colors become very distinct and sublimely beautiful. And everything appears beautiful and special. Emotionally it is extremely opening but also more than that. It's hard to explain the state of mind. Everything seems significant and meaningful. I've only done it outside during the day, I've never tried to go inward (I've only really fully done it once, and had lower doses a couple of times). I love mescaline, it's beautiful, and powerful, but not like tryptamines or ergoloids, or even really the 2Cs and many other types of phenethylamines.
 
I was wondering if I was just underdosing or if this is what mescaline is. Having only done it three times within the 200-275mg doses it's still my favourite substance.
 
Hi all,

New to the forums and I've read through the rules and guidelines. If the following question does happen to be against the rules or in the incorrect thread, I apologise and will happily remove it.

I am a 90kg (200 pound), 28 year old male with extensive experience with LSD & mushrooms and light experience with salvia, DMT and a number of research chems. This would be my first attempt with Mescaline.

I recently obtained a cutting of San Pedro with the below measurements:
Length: 42cm (1'5")
Diameter of cutting, point to point: 10cm (4 inches)
Diameter of core: 4cm-5cm (1.5 - 2 inches)
Weight: 2.5kgs (5.5 pounds)

The cutting is reasonably fresh and has not been actively dried. Understanding that the active content of each individual plant can vary and is impossible to truly predict, I was wondering whether anyone could suggest how much might be a smart guideline for a safe but reasonable dose, using a blending/boiling/filtering method such as the method below. The guide states that 1ft is enough for a single dose. It does not recommend a weight or diameter for the foot required. I am estimating, from my own research, that 1ft of this should be a reasonable amount, but was looking for some advice from a more knowledgeable member.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml

I am also wondering which might be the best way to preserve the cutting for a week or so. I was leaning toward freezing it.

Any help provided would be greatly appreciated.
 
Toucan said:
on the mixture of cocaine & mescaline:
I did this a long time ago at a festival. Potentiated the mescaline, especially visually, A LOT for around 20 minutes, it was extremely euphoric. I can't say it was bad mix at all actually but it really hits with a boom... it certainly didn't inflate my ego but contributed to ego-loss....
Cocaine might be a 'dirty' addictive euphoriant drug, but the mixture was... well idk, something else entirely - like a candyflip I guess.
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Slightly off-topic and also late... but though I do not generally feel like combining cocaine and psychedelics is a good thing, I did once combine a small amount of cocaine (1 line of really quality) with 2C-B-fly, and the result was wonderful, glowing, beautiful.
 
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Abrasumente said:
I am also wondering which might be the best way to preserve the cutting for a week or so. I was leaning toward freezing it.

Any help provided would be greatly appreciated.
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No real need to freeze it if it's only a week. Anywhere dry should be fine, out in the open rather than a sealed container. No need to worry about preserving it IMO. When taking cuttings its standard practice to leave them out in the open while waiting for a callous to form. Mesc is stable too so no need to overthink
 
I'm taking a combination of mescaline HCl (350-400mg) and some smaller amount of extract of san pedro to get the full alkaloid range, on Saturday. :) Really looking forward to it.
 
Have fun brother! The higher the dose the better, if you have some synthetic(lucky you!)I would personally IM it then eat the Pedro extract. Mescaline is a full land highly powerful psychedelic past 750mgs for most people I know, also almost all of them count it as one of the most beautiful experiences possible!

Will be sending dem good vibrations your way!
 
It went beautifully, so wonderful. :) The night ended with MXE under the stars next to the river on a great huge rock, I've never experienced MXE like that or with mescaline, it was indescribably weird and wonderful. <3
 
Trichocerus Bridgesii is the shit! I love that shit! I've done close to 2 feet on a couple occasions and just like 1 foot on a couple others. The first time I did Trichocereus Bridgesii, this guy dosed me with 20mgs of 25i-nbome and told me it was only like 2.5 mgs. I was on like 1 +2/3 feet of Trichocereus Bridgesii already and I forgot that I even took 25i at all. I was driving for like 45 minutes on the come up from that shit and I was freaked the fuck out. I remember it was like 3 day salvia. o_O crazy shit man.
 
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