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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy LSZ Thread

I think you will be fine if you're used to mushrooms, a bad trip on either is a very similar beast.

Personally I'd say LSZ is a little less introspective than mushrooms, but there is a potential for thought loops the same as with any psychedelic.
 
This discussion on differences between batches of what are probably the same compound is very interesting. I have definitely had these discussions before that wound up meandering into some pretty esoteric speculations like the molecule's horoscope, and the energy of the people synthing and handling it - haha.
I don't know enough about the chemistry to make a very educated guess, but it's true that it is highly unlikely, if not impossible, that these differences are due to a different molecular configuration of the primary product. The activity of the degradation products is an interesting possibility. The isomer theory seems highly plausible, as this is the case with many other drugs, such as amphetamine and ketamine, and I think even mda/mdma.

Coming back to the main thread topic, I tried one of these labeled 150mcg LSZ blotters a couple days ago, and I found the effects almost indistinguishable from 100mcg of LSD! I've eaten LSD hundreds of times, though not in very high doses. I'm so stricken by the variation in people's reports! I expected the effects to be more unique. When I tried Al, I found the effects, while similar to LSD, to be easy to differentiate, but not with this one. You guys sure you're not expecting your way into having a unique experience? I'm gonna have to push the dose a little further to see if I can tell the difference then....
 
P Schwangles said:
This discussion on differences between batches of what are probably the same compound is very interesting. I have definitely had these discussions before that wound up meandering into some pretty esoteric speculations like the molecule's horoscope, and the energy of the people synthing and handling it - haha.
I don't know enough about the chemistry to make a very educated guess, but it's true that it is highly unlikely, if not impossible, that these differences are due to a different molecular configuration of the primary product. The activity of the degradation products is an interesting possibility. The isomer theory seems highly plausible, as this is the case with many other drugs, such as amphetamine and ketamine, and I think even mda/mdma.

Coming back to the main thread topic, I tried one of these labeled 150mcg LSZ blotters a couple days ago, and I found the effects almost indistinguishable from 100mcg of LSD! I've eaten LSD hundreds of times, though not in very high doses. I'm so stricken by the variation in people's reports! I expected the effects to be more unique. When I tried Al, I found the effects, while similar to LSD, to be easy to differentiate, but not with this one. You guys sure you're not expecting your way into having a unique experience? I'm gonna have to push the dose a little further to see if I can tell the difference then....
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Are there any advantages of LSZ effects over LSD at all?
 
yes if you dont want to trip as hard. sometimes i like a nice gentle one probably cause i actually got bored tripping about 20 years ago doing it all the time it lost its magic and it wasnt until my first go with al-lad that i found a little bit of the magic again. not quite there with lsz but still enjoyable all the same. nice for a quiet night in listening to some good sounds. also it is not class A a very big advantage if ever caught with it in your possession.
 
zombywoof said:
yes if you dont want to trip as hard. sometimes i like a nice gentle one probably cause i actually got bored tripping about 20 years ago doing it all the time it lost its magic and it wasnt until my first go with al-lad that i found a little bit of the magic again. not quite there with lsz but still enjoyable all the same. nice for a quiet night in listening to some good sounds. also it is not class A a very big advantage if ever caught with it in your possession.
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Wouldn't a smaller dose of LSD achieve the same result?
 
not really i think acid much deeper but it has bedn 20 years since last acid blotters dancing test tubes they were and i did not enjoy it at all
 
zombywoof said:
not really i think acid much deeper but it has bedn 20 years since last acid blotters dancing test tubes they were and i did not enjoy it at all
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So you say you had acid 20 years ago last time? If so, you would definitely experience it completely differently now.

LSD effects change their qualities along with changes in doses. From my experience I'd say 1/4 blotter gives much different effects than 1-2 full blotters (let's say blotter = 120uq:)).

At the same time, I guest I can imagine that LSZ effects are something a bit different than LSD's.
 
at 150ug both times i have had it wasnt like acid for that al-lad comes a lot closer it was really mellow and comfortable and music appreciation would be as high on lsz but it also made me very hungry which i never got from acid and its shorter lasting.i wouldnt want to push it much higher though i reckon my days of balls out tripping are done now i got too many responsibilities now as im now a grandfather
 
I always dose psyches on an empty stomach & eat once it's hit! Never ate much on LSD, but LSz made me feel quite uncomfortable UNTIL I'd eaten. Just a penny's worth for the thread...

I once tried to eat a bowl of museli at the tail end of an LSD trip, I chewed one mouthful for about an hour, by which point the rest of the bowl had solidified! I gave up. This must have been 1989 & I can see the room I was sat in, the TV in the corner, everything as if it were yesterday.
 
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I find that dosing on an empty gut is easier and seems to absorb better and faster , but after a while eating something nutritious and easily digestible [ fruit , dates , etc ,...] seems to raise things up a little more . Tripping when hungry is not pleasant for me , and a little food seems to settle my gut.

LSZ made me vomit the first time I tried it with 2 tabs [ 300 mcg ] on an empty stomach , but after retching and something to eat and drink I felt better and had a wonderful day .
Now I space out the tabs for a hour or so apart and the nausea is much less without vomiting ...
 
LSZ has the advantages that it's legal, dosed consistently and reliably, is relatively inexpensive and is also safe and highly enjoyable like LSD.
 
Someone tried combining LSD+LSZ, LSD+AL-LAD or AL-LAD and LSZ together?

Thanks!
 
Be interesting but I'm not sure tryptamines on top of tryptamines mesh so well. LSD works better with MDMA or mescaline etc.
 
I did lsz + al lad, nothing unexpected happened. I'd do lsd + lsz, lsd + al-lad or all three at the same time if I had all of them when I wanted to try.
 
We'll see next time...

300µg LSZ pre-loaded with 25mg MXE and, as the LSZ began working, boosted by 10mgs 4-AcO-DMT, were INSANE! 8o

Still glowing... =D
 
How bad is the body load generally with this chem? Like 2C-E/P aching muscle cramp body load or more like a lysergic body load? (joints ache, spinal discomfort, and generally uncomfortable muscles.) or am I way off and is it just nausea that can get people with this one?
 
i got neither bodyload or nausea with lsz but only tried twice so far and both times dose was 150ug
 
Okay cool thanks, I may just have been reading about body load from LSz earlier in the thread which I think turned out to be just one person or something, can't remember. Also how does LSz's headspace and spiritual depth compare to LSD?
 
does not have same depth as lsd i think al-lad is closer but for a quiet night and for music appreciation lsz is up there but as i said before i have only dosed conservatively
 
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