Acid in America 2011-14 v. Drought

[dan k]

^ yup.my first encounter with nbomes was 25c-nbome suspended in everclear at 350ug per drop.
i have tried to explain to many kids that if you cant swallow it or you gotta do it up your nose and it hits you in 5 mins, its deffintly not L.
they never listen though.

 

[StolenFaces]

^^I encountered some liquid NBOMe last fall. The person with it said it was NBOMe, and not LSD though. Numbed my tongue. It was a very intense and positive experience with it too.

I have heard some liquid NBOMe coming around in breath mint droppers. I also heard that they contain small amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. My guess is that they contain 4-Aco-DMT is so they can pass the Ehrlich’s test for containing some type of tryptamine (and be more likely to pass off as L). Haven't seen these personally, but sort of scary that they may be around.

 

[No Cars Go]

Some good L to be had in USA. None of this LSD was actually made in America though just eaten here

Here are those "aztec cartoon" mayan things. I was told they are "Mayans" or "Mayan Calendar". Lab tested 180ug swiss white crystal.

Front:

Back (some kind of image similar to a heiroglyph):

Here are two batches of "Gandalf"s that I've seen. The green border ones were all either really good or really weak, even from the same sheet. The yellow border ones were great, and lab tested at 147ug.

 

[EarthBounded]

At a festival this past weekend in the midwest:
-Really strong and clean fluff on white double thick blotter. I had built up a tolerance and 2.5 hits had be floored for 10+ hours. Wish I scooped more.
-Looney Tunes were clean, but very weak (according to friends)
-I did a test on someone who was pushing a print I can't recall (there were white beards on it), and it turned up not to be L. I also taste tested it, and it number my tongue after a second of it on it. Definitely NBOME. I spent a long time explaining that it wasn't real L, and probably 25-I NBOME, but he couldn't/wouldn't believe me.

Glad to see things start to pop off a little bit.

Lol Bella was a blast! Looney tunes were definitely weak and real I believe the gent got ahold of some vials and spread them across sheets but I would guess these are mic'd at 40mcg tops, I tripped well off of 3, WOW was all good, glad I didnt run into the beard man.

There was another print with the looney toons sheets, it was little yellow man dude said they were all the exact same.

However 2 weeks prior to bella I snagged a ten strip at a JGB show and holy fuck! I had to turn off Sphongle on my TV because the visuals were freaking me out, it was laid on some random artwork and by far the best I have seen in a very long time.

Midwest is popping off very hard

 

[EarthBounded]

Anyone ever came across liquid NBOME in the states? Noticing there is a real risk for blotter at the moment and it's beginning to happen in Europe too.

Yes this shit gets u high just by smelling it and it evaporates quickly, I hate those fuckers!

 

[EarthBounded]

^^I encountered some liquid NBOMe last fall. The person with it said it was NBOMe, and not LSD though. Numbed my tongue. It was a very intense and positive experience with it too.

I have heard some liquid NBOMe coming around in breath mint droppers. I also heard that they contain small amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. My guess is that they contain 4-Aco-DMT is so they can pass the Ehrlich’s test for containing some type of tryptamine (and be more likely to pass off as L). Haven't seen these personally, but sort of scary that they may be around.

These are gone as far as I know I have picked up one of these sweet breaths before, nasty shit, they will be back knowing those fuck heads be careful with sweet breath right now, not like it was a few years ago. I know not all sweet breaths are bad but the ones I encountered last year were just plain dangerous, now three years ago there was soo much fluff liquid circulating in these it is sad that some people had to copy it with RCs but whatever I am seeing ALOT LESS RCs WOOHOO!

 

[dan k]

anyone got any info on these orange buddhas?
correction: Dalai Lamas

 

[LSD Cruiser]

I believe those are European LSD blotters. They go by a variety of names, notably Dalai Lamas. Encountered those many months ago. They are strong. It might have been 2010 or 2011 more accurately but same print.

 

[dan k]

Any lab results or even speculations on mic range by chance? There is some sort of vague lightly colored line design on the back if that helps tell you if they are the same source or batch

 

[LSD Cruiser]

Sounds like same batch. I believe the design on the back-side was a light blue Tibetan symbol of some sort that you need the whole 900-hit page to see. No lab tests on that batch nor would I consider myself much an expert at guessing doses, but I would say they are about 175 micrograms per 1cmx1cm "hit".

In fact I'm positive it is from the same lab and set of distributors who lay it onto blotter as the Mayan Calendars that No Cars Go posted above now that I think about it.

 

[No Cars Go]

Sounds like same batch. I believe the design on the back-side was a light blue Tibetan symbol of some sort that you need the whole 900-hit page to see. No lab tests on that batch nor would I consider myself much an expert at guessing doses, but I would say they are about 175 micrograms per 1cmx1cm "hit".

In fact I'm positive it is from the same lab and set of distributors who lay it onto blotter as the Mayan Calendars that No Cars Go posted above now that I think about it.

Are the dosages purported to be similar?

 

[LSD Cruiser]

I didn't get to try the Calendars so I can only speak by anecdote from what I've heard from people I know who have tried both, and maybe the Dalai Lamas are stronger, but not by much. Probably by an amount that set & setting could alter the experience more than the actual dosage difference still.
I'm pretty conservative in my estimates trying to follow the Shulgin model as close as I can so hearsay is only so accurate. People were touting the Lamas as upwards of 250 mics when they were around, which locally was not very long because for the hype factor the prices were a lot higher than other prints that were around then. I guess plus the fact they have to be imported and the legality factor jumps prices up, as importing might not be difficult or costly, the judicial system sure fucking is. They're strong per hit, like I said I'd guess 175 micrograms (half what the dealers say basically).

Hmm let's debate. American prints may actually go about the same or even farther in the long run as they measure about 63.5% the size of a European dose at 175ug and are probably about 63.5% the dosage at 100ug per hit, therefore meaning a 1cmx1cm hit of an American dose would be about the same maybe stronger as the 1cm1xm European dose. Right or am I stoned stupid?

 

[EarthBounded]

Hmm let's debate. American prints may actually go about the same or even farther in the long run as they measure about 63.5% the size of a European dose at 175ug and are probably about 63.5% the dosage at 100ug per hit, therefore meaning a 1cmx1cm hit of an American dose would be about the same maybe stronger as the 1cm1xm European dose. Right or am I stoned stupid?

Lol you are not stupid however everything you guys are saying is just speculation pretty much the only true statement with the mayan calendar prints and the Dali Lamas is this:

Here are those "aztec cartoon" mayan things. I was told they are "Mayans" or "Mayan Calendar". Lab tested 180ug swiss white crystal.

Its pretty pointless to compare prints here, of course it is fun to see whats around no doubt but just because you have the same blotter paper as someone else or have had it really means nothing. A couple years ago this may have been different, I purchased some decorative blotter paper a few weeks ago and the gal sold the same print to 20 different people that week alone.

Also size of the blotter paper means absolutely incredibly nothing at all! You must understand Micrograms which are abbreviated µg or mcg, when you use ug that is incorrect, and you must understand how this substance is actually laid.

All I can say is I wish I had the lab tested mayans that No cars go is showing, that is one hell of a score now a days 180µg swiss, mmmmm tasty!

However I will say one of the most common legit papers from a US chemist is white on white fluff crystal which when laid correctly is 95µg per tab , but this has nothing to do with Europe, USA or blotter size it is just how it has been done for quite some time.

 

[FPU4eva]

here in the northern part of ohio seems like some good white on whites going around dude said was needlepoint(i imagine its fluff) which is kinda hard to believe but he has always had the hookup on good and felt alot of positivitiy said was around 170mcg

i love how i never go to any shows and a buddies band plays a free concert and i end up running into a good lucy connect ha i have good luck

 

[xTalK]

Hmm let's debate. American prints may actually go about the same or even farther in the long run as they measure about 63.5% the size of a European dose at 175ug and are probably about 63.5% the dosage at 100ug per hit, therefore meaning a 1cmx1cm hit of an American dose would be about the same maybe stronger as the 1cm1xm European dose. Right or am I stoned stupid?

All the acid I've had this year has varied in size, Dolphins are big but then again Ganeshas from before where smaller and still good.

Anyone else think this Hofmann tested at 110ug is a load of bullshit? Still fine just overmarked in my opinion but who can be sure.

 

[EarthBounded]

All the acid I've had this year has varied in size, Dolphins are big but then again Ganeshas from before where smaller and still good.

This makes absolutely no difference in the world of commercial LSD. 100's of micrograms can be laid on both sizes.

Anyone else think this Hofmann tested at 110ug is a load of bullshit? Still fine just overmarked in my opinion but who can be sure.

Why on earth would you say that!? There are tons and tons of people laying crystal on those Hoffman Blotters, if you had a weak blotter with this print does not mean that No cars go has the same stuff, and his are LAB TESTED.

 

[No Cars Go]

EarthBounded, thank you for your kind and informative words! :D

 

[FPU4eva]

just had some amazing fluff at a small get together and a kid showed up who just gave me such great energy had some white on white with weird writing on the back some amazing stuff felt so damn clean best i had in a while combined with mxe and tis amazing glad theirs good doses going around again because this feels clean

 

[xTalK]

This makes absolutely no difference in the world of commercial LSD. 100's of micrograms can be laid on both sizes.



Why on earth would you say that!? There are tons and tons of people laying crystal on those Hoffman Blotters, if you had a weak blotter with this print does not mean that No cars go has the same stuff, and his are LAB TESTED.

That's what I'm saying, the size doesn't matter...in EU I've had blotter of various sizes there isn't a blotter size to region nor a specific dose.

I'm talking about the Hofmanns with 5 star and Koi Fish, the ones that are in wide circulation and easily available. This wasn't directed at No Cars Go either and no I haven't just eaten one of these tabs I enjoyed a few so it's nothing to do with distribution on the sheet. It's more I hear lots about lab tests but have yet to see any actual results and when I have eaten these tabs myself I felt they were much more around the mark of 50-70ug than 110ug. I would've expected some form of visuals at that point and I would require at least 2 to even begin them. I had no tolerance to LSD at this time either although have been eating it for a few years. There's a good few of us over in the Europe section of BL agree. Although No Cars Go is talking about the same tab, as it's the same print and sourced from Europe. I've heard of this '110ug lab tested' but have yet to see the actual lab test results, only dealer talk and all my speculation is user talk A bit like people were labeling this year's Avatars and some batches of Gandalfs as 150ug and they certainly aren't.

I would also disagree about the whole blotter art thing. I would say years ago you would be more likely to come across the same blotter laid by different people. But keep in mind there is only probably a handful of labs knocking out LSD at a time anymore, NBOME and LSD on the same blotter art yes, but the chances of two of the same blotter art, coming from the same country is very slim in my opinion and generally there are tell tale signs such as with the Canadian Mayans.

 

[LSD Cruiser]

Yeah my point in blotter size was a shits and giggles conversation. I was under the assumption we all knew that LSD could be laid on active doses much much smaller than 1/4in x 1/4 in., and that "ug" is the home computer version of "µg" where we couldn't be assed to learn the alt sequence. If we wanted to be scientific and work by lab standards in a forum conversation, the correct abbreviation would be "mcg" since we don't have a micro symbol on our keyboards. But none of those semantics are really the point of the conversation and kinda derail the thread. Everything else spot-on. So anyways,

I've been at several festivals since my last posting. Have not came across anything promising except for another vial of liquid from the same crew, however I do know for a fact some cats are coming from the West Coast to Electric Forest with whatever goodies they have at the moment and I am sure that means new blotter art.

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While we are on the subject of the Hofmanns, I can't add any input to the latest batches dosage. In this business you can only take a dealer's word with a grain of salt and dosage is just one of those marketing guesstimates dealers attach for value. Unless you've sent in the samples yourself then that is a different story. They might not be far off the 110ug mark, or they could be nowhere near. When suspicions arose of the 2008 Hofmann Oms on here a few years back, I sent in samples to three different labs and found results consistent that they are around 83-85ug of LSD. Not all Hofmanns are laid the same but those were generally regarded as a particularly good batch if I recall correct.

I guess the point is personally I don't feel dosage matters. 50ug of LSD each tab might even be the more responsible route in this day and age when every kid pressures their friend into taking two their first time. Do you really need a full-on psychedelic experience with one tab? Unless the price is whack then I feel your pain. But I care more about harm reduction so we can get done some practical research.