MDMA Superlabs with Pictures (Follow on from Posters to make you stop taking E)

elr · Dec 1, 2012

futura2012 said:
This is what I imagine there being a lot of in USA.

Small little mom and pop setups like this that are very small, can be ordered online under the pretence of chem hobby kits and can happily supply a small circle of friends.

I am not sure what punishment you would receive if you got caught with a setup like this?

the punishment would be really really awful. i wonder where those pictures are set up? is it a school laboratory? the top one looks like a kitchen the bottom one looks like a college.

Niggasbebuggin · Dec 1, 2012

futura2012 said:
Reading all this I am surprised the price per gram is not lower. This latest round of labs is operating on an uncontrolable scale.

Looks like some kind of legalisation might be the only way to go the situation looks totally and utterly out of control.

I'm not too exactly sure mate.

I think the reason they see such prices high is due to the fact of methamphetamine's addictive nature knowing the buyer will feel the need to pay such high prices regardless of circumstances just to reduce their craving. And the sellers know this, shady shady business my friend. /:

Jabberwocky · Dec 1, 2012

so what? street prices have been less and less influenced by collusion at the distribution level since we began trying to fight it in '71. the more our fight hits the industry, the more de-centralize it, the more pure market forces will replace possible collusion (hence lower prices / higher quality)
/'collusion' at street level is a non-issue, and collusion at the production level doesn't allow the price fixing that we saw when it was run by escobar, or in the 1st round of restructuring after he was taken down.
//demand for drugs is what we refer to as 'inelastic', which automatically sets a tone for the how the market currently operates on a fundamental level; it's not that way because "asshole" dealers are intentionally 'extorting' people in a manner like you imply. in fact, sellers tend to be more successful the lower they can price, maximizing profit through higher volume, as the 'quantity discount' inherent to this black market is much much steeper than it would be in an open drug market

futura2012 · Dec 1, 2012

the punishment would be really really awful. i wonder where those pictures are set up? is it a school laboratory? the top one looks like a kitchen the bottom one looks like a college.

The top picture looks like someone has purchased all the distillation kit and didnt think about how they were going to rig it. Its interesting cause althought it looks really sketchey all the little detail seems to have been met water supply, vacuum source, joint seals and heating mantle (although in a source pan of oil

). Its real mom and pop stuff. All being done on the cheap.

The pic beneath this is a DEA moc up of an illegal lab. The police moc ups tend to be the trash lab approach but the DEA have been a lot more accurate in setup just a little "OVER CLEAN" LOL.

So are you saying if you got caught in the USA with a microsetup like this you would still be in a lot of trouble correct?

I'm not too exactly sure mate.

I think the reason they see such prices high is due to the fact of methamphetamine's addictive nature knowing the buyer will feel the need to pay such high prices regardless of circumstances just to reduce their craving. And the sellers know this, shady shady business my friend. /:

Just seems as these labs get bigger and bigger and judging by some of these pics they are truly massive scale I assumed this might affect the overall price.

I am still ultra confused why the Mexicans dont start flooding the USA with decent E pills cause if you look at the dutch super lab in scale to the mex meth labs its relatively small.

MDMA is not much harder to make than meth and by all accounts it sounds like the pills in the USA are Utter trash. I can only assume the market ther for decent pills unadulterated molly must be MASSIVE.

If your a cartel owner and reading this please take note

This is added by a request from PM.

The Dateline Strike Interviews

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Anyone ever wondered why four students might start a lab on this scale to begin with, video tape it and post pictures on the hive.

I have always wondered if this whole thing was a DEA sting from the start.

If it was the DEA were SMART.

Folley · Dec 1, 2012

I am still ultra confused why the Mexicans dont start flooding the USA with decent E pills cause if you look at the dutch super lab in scale to the mex meth labs its relatively small.

MDMA is not much harder to make than meth and by all accounts it sounds like the pills in the USA are Utter trash. I can only assume the market ther for decent pills unadulterated molly must be MASSIVE.

They do make some pills, they often flood Texas with high quality beans (Pumas, Dragonflies and KLMs) and though they aren't putting out a shit load all the time, they are a pretty consistent operation.

Meth is really a lot easier to make than MDMA though, and I'm sure the precursors are easier to obtain in HUGE quantities as well. That, and the giant never-ending market for methamphetamine in every city in the US, and it just makes a lot more sense to make meth.

elr · Dec 1, 2012

futura2012 said:
So are you saying if you got caught in the USA with a microsetup like this you would still be in a lot of trouble correct?

people get hurt over a couple pot plants and grow lights so yeah, i think so.

futura2012 · Dec 1, 2012

Meth is really a lot easier to make than MDMA though,

In terms of skill level required its about the same. Looking at some of the custom kit the mexicans are making - reactors, large condensors that recent shot of 40 litre flasks in a row. I really dont think this would present them any obstacle.

and I'm sure the precursors are easier to obtain in HUGE quantities as well.

Many of the precursors are the same. Different ones such as Pseudo / Ephederine vs Safrol or PMK im not sure the status of these chemicals in Mexico. One thing I will say is they are close to a natural source of Safrol ie the AMAZON.

and the giant never-ending market for methamphetamine in every city in the US, and it just makes a lot more sense to make meth.

This is the most likely reason. I guess it must be market driven. There cant be enough money in it vs Weed, Coke and Meth I guess the market is more universal. Perhaps Es are more middle class white kids early 20s as opposed to Weed, Coke Meth which crosses all boundaries just a thought. Would be interesting to see some stats of drug sales Weed vs Coke vs Meth vs Heroin vs Coke etc.

Folley · Dec 1, 2012

futura2012 said:
One thing I will say is they are close to a natural source of Safrol ie the AMAZON.

Yeah but it's really time consuming and dangerous (risk of detection) to try and extract safrol from Sassafras trees... up until a few years ago psuedoephedrine was legal to buy in massive quantities in Mexico, they're trying to crack down on that though.

Overall though, yeah, it's probably market driven. Hell, half the meth they make probably ends up in ecstasy pills anyways LOL

futura2012 · Dec 1, 2012

Yeah but it's really time consuming and dangerous (risk of detection) to try and extract safrol from Sassafras trees... up until a few years ago psuedoephedrine was legal to buy in massive quantities in Mexico, they're trying to crack down on that though.

The Sassafras bark is the the main source for safrol. It might be time consuming but it is so common it is causing major deforestization.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8522

Brazil is one of the main world suppliers. I am sure if Mexico wanted it they could get it.

It obviousley doesnt make commercial sense for Mexico to fuck around with E pills.

Shame cause the USA is littered with Rubbish E pills and dangerous rubbish pills at that

Yeah but it's really time consuming and dangerous (risk of detection) to try and extract safrol from Sassafras trees... up until a few years ago psuedoephedrine was legal to buy in massive quantities in Mexico, they're trying to crack down on that though.

Obtaining essential oils from plants is quite a hobbyist scene in USA.

Check out this custom made reflux condensor. Very impressive.

Custome Beer Keg with water heaters heating steam through a copper tube packed with leaves bark etc and then the steam extracts the oil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoaJOaUL1eY

This could be used for all types of essential oil extraction.

I think extracting Sassafras Bark into Safrole in USA is illegal I am not entirely sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCt6hBZLfQ8

Safrole is an essential oil so I am not sure on the legaility of it?

Jabberwocky · Dec 2, 2012

IIRC, sassafras oil is still legal to purchase in and of itself. Processing it, having it around stuff that makes it clear you were gonna process it, etc is definitely past the line. safrole itself is ListI chem (ie precursor chem) in the US.

futura2012 · Dec 2, 2012

So say if you had a steam distillation kit and a load of sassafras bark that would be a felony with intent to manufacture mdma? or would they need the safrol oil first?

What if you said you were using it for aromatherapy and had no intention of making ecstasy?

Jabberwocky · Dec 2, 2012

i'm no lawyer, so take any of this FWIW.
i think you'd be fine saying it was for aromatherapy- provided you were telling the truth. I assume(read: guess) that "reasonable doubt" would come into play. are you distilling it alongside other essential oils and fragrances, or alongside PiHKAL and vapor rub?

Folley · Dec 2, 2012

futura2012 said:
So say if you had a steam distillation kit and a load of sassafras bark that would be a felony with intent to manufacture mdma? or would they need the safrol oil first?

What if you said you were using it for aromatherapy and had no intention of making ecstasy?

It is certainly illegal to try and extract it from the bark. Might be even illegal to have a large amount of the bark on hand, as is the case with mimosa.

You can buy small amounts of it online, but you're not supposed to and could certainly get in trouble for it... obviously if they have no reason to be suspicious they probably won't arrest you just for a small perfume vial of it.... but a liter? Maybe. They keep a strict watch over all precursors though, if you tried ordering a large amount you can be guaranteed the DEA will be knocking on your door soon.

There is no legal discussion on Bluelight for just this reason though. Every case is different, we just can't know until the judge's gavel has fallen.

futura2012 · Dec 2, 2012

"reasonable doubt" would come into play. are you distilling it alongside other essential oils and fragrances, or alongside PiHKAL and vapor rub?

Yeah thats funny :D

I wonder if you could ramp it up a gear and synth some MD-P2P and claim that was for aromatherapy? A special kind of back massage :D

junglejuice · Dec 2, 2012

Lovin' this thread!

Thanks for all the faptacular lab porn!

Folley · Dec 2, 2012

futura2012 said:
I wonder if you could ramp it up a gear and synth some MD-P2P and claim that was for aromatherapy? A special kind of back massage :D

nah fuck no. If you get caught with safrole at least you might be able to talk your way out of it.... there's no question with MDP2P, it's just way to close structurally to MDMA

Jabberwocky · Dec 2, 2012

exactly. with safrole it's "listI"- i don't read the wiki page on "listI" to mean it's automatically 100.0% illegal. Again, i think intent (as determined by "reasonable" peers/jury) is what comes into play here, if you're reading this thread it's unlikely you'll ever be able to hold safrole legally. if you were inadvertently caught and it was an honest attempt at aromatherapy and you were ignorant of the whole clandestine MDMA thing, i highly highly doubt anyone in the US legal system could/would prosecute you.
(again am not a lawyer, this is just conjecture on a scenario that's incredibly unlikely in real life anyway. like said, if you're reading this post/thread, it is probably 100% illegal for you to ever be around safrole, i cannot imagine trying to assert you knew about its illicit usage yet were only going to use for aromatherapy. in a perfect world, you could - i know i value a plant more in an aesthetic sense if i know it is psychoactive, even if i hate and never would consume its chemicals, and for that very reason i'd give sassafras a +1 when i was choosing stuff for fragrances. But in practice it's impossible to know someone's intent, and the 'reasonable' system would likely construe knowledge of illicit usage to be de facto intent.
/am saying the +1 to sassafras theoretically, my guess is it's terrible for aromatherapy. if you're familiar with the smell of raw mdma, you prolly agree with me that the only way the scent is appreciated is by its relation to rolling, not on virtue of the scent alone. and my understanding is that licorice smell in mdma is from the sassafras

futura2012 · Dec 2, 2012

^^ If you wanted to be reminded of rolling get some Anise Oil. Its the stuff they poor on shit Molly Powder to make it smell sassy. Try it it smells lovely. You can get it on ebay cheap.

I will have to look at the structure you might be able to synth something out of it :D

Jabberwocky · Dec 2, 2012

if i had a desire to be reminded, i'd rather just plan my next session

/and if i were going for the fragrance, black twizzlers would suffice methinks >;P

futura2012 · Dec 2, 2012

PCP Lab Strikes Again

In a change from the usual discoveries of methamphetamine labs, sheriff's deputies found a PCP lab inside a vacant home, sheriff's officials said.

Deputies were called to the 9700 block of East Q-10 shortly before 9:30 p.m. Tuesday after the home's owner, a Torrance resident, came to prepare it for new renters.

Inside the home was a 25-gallon container filled partially with yellow sludge, the remnants of manufacturing PCP, a powerful psychedelic drug developed as an animal tranquilizer. It became popular with drug abusers in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

``I've never seen a PCP lab before,'' said one narcotics deputy who was called to the home. ``They're out here but we usually don't find them.''

Officials said that PCP labs were more common in the Antelope Valley in the early '80s, but now are outnumbered by methamphetamine labs.

PCP is commonly produced more quickly than methamphetamine, and the labs are not detected as easily.

Although the owner said that his tenants moved out Saturday, neighbors told deputies that no one had been in the home for two months.

No one was arrested. An investigation is continuing.

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