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What makes police want to search a car?

I am a 19 year old, male P plater driving a modified jap import Nissan Silvia. I'm not a dick on the roads, I save that for when I go to the track.
If a cop see's me, sirens go on straight away.

I now also get searched every time that I get pulled over due to having a prior 'Possess Prohibited Drug' charge (0.2g amphetamines)
They found that when i was pulled over for a random breath test once, and my passenger forgot to hide his pills out of plain sight, so when they shined the torch onto him, they saw a saddy on his lap. So they searched the car, strip searched us etc.. and yeh ever since then my car gets searched all the time.

But its a lot to do with how you look, what car you drive, prior offences.
Like, the 'random breath test' was by a highway patrol going the other way, and did a u turn just to pull me over. Which, doesn't seem so random.
 
What makes police want to search a car?

Financial incentives.

LEO are part of a quasi private/public prison/leo complex that profits from putting people behind bars, at least in the case where there was no reasonable suspicion that drugs were in possession (dogs don't work for shit, can easily be cue'd to false trigger by a handler, and should be eliminated). There's a ton of legal (and sometimes legitimate) legal justifications for a search, but you should at least refuse until presented with a warrant.

When you have corporations, and local enforcement that has an incentive to put more people behind bars, there will be more of an effort to search, just on the off chance they find something by random chance, when a search is entirely unwarranted. Drug dogs, arrest quota's, corruption of LEO, all makes this very easy and a predictable outcome given the reality of how vehicle searches are conducted.
 
This is a teeny bit unnerving....
A demonstration/explanation from the inside of an overseas police vehicle - how that license plate scanning technology works.
Of course the specifics would differ slightly in Australia.
Be careful where you park!!
Big brother is watching! From what i hear, public transport in Melbourne is no safer as you can be tracked via your Myki card(????). I once pulled a crazy ninja stunt running from sniffer dogs at one of the main train stations in the city centre, don't know what they were looking for, didn't hang around long enough to find out!
Fuck it, I'm gonna design some kinda flying device....maybe a blimp...outta tin foil!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgGHPogidPQ&sns=em
 
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Luxxxe13 said:
Big brother is watching! From what i hear, public transport in Melbourne is no safer as you can be tracked via your Myki card(????).

Fuck it, I'm gonna design some kinda flying device....maybe a blimp...outta tin foil!!
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The Myki tracking only working if you register the card under your name. AFAIK you don't have to do this. You can still travel on an unregistered card.

As for the aircraft. That's an even bigger flag that you're doing something illegal. Not to mention the various airspace laws you'd have to abide by.
 
I'm old enough to remember when banks closed at 4.30pm Friday afternoon and you needed to get your money out before then if you wanted to eat over the weekend. Now days you have an entire network of ATM's that coincidentally allow everyone from the banks to the police and even the Australian tax organisation to track you. Each morning I pay for my petrol with a card at a service station before driving over a toll bridge activating an etag, all the while being film with cameras stationed to monitor road accidents. With my mobile in my pocket I am no more invisible than if I had a microchip under my skin.

Thats before google has cached every search I have entered and the council has recorded every book I have borrowed from the library. Despite all this I still wouldn't want to return to the paper only life of the 1970's
 
the amount of information available on each of our individual locations/associates/financial transactions etc etc etc etc is mind boggling.
if you take into account that there is equal- and probably more data associated with billions of other humans on the planet.

if we take it from our own personal perspective - or the big picture understanding that such databases collecting unfathomable do exist - then, yep - it's frightening.
it is worth taking some small comfort in the fact that that information is so absurdly large that you'd need to theoretically be under investigation for any of that to be used against you. not to say that it's ok, but if we're all talking on bluelight about it - and worried about it, then i dareday we're already in way over our heads.

but nowadays data (of all manner) so excessively plentiful, and in so many different realms and jurisdictions, that navigating through it takes a huge amount of cooperation between organisations and departments - you'd really have to be involved, or peripherally involved, in something that has caught the attention of the authorities in order to have all of your data drawn together and analysed.
there is a lot of sensitive information, and even more ephemera.

at this stage i imagine much more surveillance of commercial data is being scrutinised.
demographics, consumer behaviour and 'terrorism' and even graf and street artists than drug users. smugglers and big dealers? maybe - but the cost and complexity of keeping tabs on every civilian would be enormous and counterproductive IMO.

that's not to say it won't happen (the old 'frog in the pot' metaphor) - and i am not arguing that "if you're not doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to hide" - in totalitarian states like china and iran, innocent people are actively oppressed by the technology as we speak - but i think people can easily overestimate the way surveillance is used in places like australia.

yep, we give up our privacy when we use technology - we leave a footprints everywhere we go.
which is all the more reason to be fully aware of this stuff - from identity theft to the prospect of becoming a political prisoner for your online behaviour. really, it's just breaking down this artificial distinction between 'real life' and 'online'. there is none, and once people realise that, they'll realise how dangerous the internet can be if you're not careful about how you use it.
anonymity is not a given (even if it feels that way) and the blonde 12 year old girl you're chatting too online could well be a 48 year old copper. cross a line in conversation, and your door will get kicked in by a bunch of LEOs. online crime is still a crime, even if we still get the impression it's make-believe or separate from our tangible reality.
 
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Jake; needles laying all over a car intererior is gross. I mean, what's gonna happen if a big, angry skinhead cunt ever ends up sitting on a used sharp just laying all over every surface of the vehicle? Regardless of if it helps cops be too appauled to want to go near the car, it's not cool. Plus, if they were smart they probably could have tested the liquid in any of the hundred of picks in there.
 
HCandKROD said:
One tip if you are concerned I'm a multifull felon. IDK if this is legal overseas but in America I have signed ownership over to my sister who is an upstanding citizen. Therefore, any question on my tag carries no question. What I am doing is not illegal it's just a question of semantics. I carry full insurance on the auto and make sure my car is in full repair.
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Posting on dissassociatives is bad. I have no idea what you're trying to say here, would you please be able to clarify? :) thank you.
 
I was once pulled up exiting out of an OMCG's clubhouse, needless to say, every time I've been pulled over I get the whole patted down, car stripped to pieces and asked to come back to the station for a full search, to which I generally ask the officer if we can go somewhere secluded and I'm more than happy to strip down as I CBF going to a police station.
 
I am generally nice to da 5-0 and have been let off for a bunch of minor things I would have otherwise gotten a fine for (street drinking ect) once I was caught smoking bongs with some mates and they asked to take down our names and I was pinging preety hard, but kept my cool, I helped them by shining my phone torch and he said don't worry about it mate, ill just dispose of it and you can be on your way. Then he scattered like quarter of a stick into the dirt (lucky it was such a small amount) and let us be.

@kroniic I have been searched in my younger days from being an ass to them after caught smoking with my mates at a beach, now-a-days if they asked to search me and I didn't give them reason to, I would politely refuse, considering you didn't mention your car smelling of weed or anything like that. I don't know what the laws are where you are but over here there are designated spots you can be searched without reason, I however don't frequent the city so much these days, so it's not really a problem. Just be polite, make them feel in charge and most of them ain't all that bad.

I had a run in recently with 2 coppers, (weed related again) and I played it cool, the chick was hell uptight and was saying in an angry tone Im going to fine you or blah blah, but I spoke to the guy in a friendly manner away from the slag, and he just talked her down and all went well, no fines or anything like that.
 
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^ wise. with small amounts of most drugs it is up to the police officers' discretion as to whether you are charged, fined, issued with a court date, issued with a drug education session - or let off with a verbal warning.
if they try to rile you up, it may be that they are looking for an excuse to issue a more hefty penalty.
playing it cool, being polite and respectful and acknowledging that they are just doing their job is a really good thing to keep in mind at the time of the incident.
it can be quite a shock to be face-to-face with coppers when drugs are involved; especially if there is no way of talking your way out of it.
even more shocking if you are generally very careful.

save your emotional responses til after they're gone if you can. the more of you a) assert your "rights" b) beg their forgiveness c) try to bullshit your way out of it - the more likely they are to think you're a dickhead and teach you a lesson.
say as little as you possibly can (name and address and as little else as you can manage without seeming disrespectful) and try to keep a cool head. you'll have plenty of time to get angry/upset/argumentative once they're gone.
 
^+^ yeah good advice going by my run ins, a lot of the time you can nearly see that a cop is trying to bait you, all the more reason to keep your mouth shut when it comes to being angry about what's happening.

Most of the time, once they realise your playing ball, they'll leave shortly after.
 
88brenno said:
@kroniic I have been searched in my younger days from being an ass to them after caught smoking with my mates at a beach, now-a-days if they asked to search me and I didn't give them reason to, I would politely refuse, considering you didn't mention your car smelling of weed or anything like that. I don't know what the laws are where you are but over here there are designated spots you can be searched without reason, I however don't frequent the city so much these days, so it's not really a problem. Just be polite, make them feel in charge and most of them ain't all that bad.
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Here the laws a f*cked. Once you've been listed as an associate basically you get searched every time you get pulled over. It sucks, but I never have anything on me to worry about.
 
An associate of any criminal, I presume.

Jake; needles laying all over a car intererior is gross. I mean, what's gonna happen if a big, angry skinhead cunt ever ends up sitting on a used sharp just laying all over every surface of the vehicle? Regardless of if it helps cops be too appauled to want to go near the car, it's not cool. Plus, if they were smart they probably could have tested the liquid in any of the hundred of picks in there.
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I don't see where Jake pointed out needles "lying all over a car interior", his response said nothing of the sort. Police may have found unused needles hidden up his bum in a paper bag for all we know.
 
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