mdma+mda+meth combo

[Walkawalka]

Theres a big halloween party coming up and ive been drooling over this combo for a while. I have very reliable sources for these so im sure they are legit and i have a miligram scale so the dose will be precise.

Im thinking of taking 95mg mdma, 30mg mda and 5mg meth. Not planning to redose or anything either. I wondering if this is a good/bad idea as i know the meth will add some neurotoxicity, hangover etc but i would like to have energy to dance and talk to people, not just sit around feeling amazing.

 

[futura2012]

Im thinking of taking 95mg mdma, 30mg mda and 5mg meth. Not planning to redose or anything either. I wondering if this is a good/bad idea as i know the meth will add some neurotoxicity, hangover etc but i would like to have energy to dance and talk to people, not just sit around feeling amazing.

I would agree with your choice of dosing quantity and also agree with the desired results you are likely to achieve. Yes it will all add a little more risk as you acknowledge but lets face it many people have taken this kind of combination before sometimes unknowlingly and it hasnt produced dire results.

Not redosing is good and ideally a long break after is how to proceed

Please report back and let us know how it goes.

 

[laugh]

Just don't tell your heart

 

[futura2012]

One thing to add to this thread is the on set of MDA is slightly slower than MDMA so if you want everything to kick in at once take the MDA 30mins to 20mins before the MDMA.

 

[Folley]

^ It doesn't take nearly that long to kick in... if he takes the MDA 30 minutes before the whole night would be ruined!!!!

You want to take them all at the same time dude. Trust me. The first dose is always the most effective, if you take a small first dose then try and take more to get to the right level, the second dose is going to be a lot less effective, and honestly it might not do anything at all.


Just take it all at once, MDA takes maybe 10 minutes longer than MDMA to kick in, but everyone who doses the two at the same time has an amazing night

 

[futura2012]

^ It doesn't take nearly that long to kick in... if he takes the MDA 30 minutes before the whole night would be ruined!!!!

Im not saying whats right or wrong im just saying MDA takes longer to come up than MDMA.

If you want a true balls to the wall come up take MDA prior to MDMA,

I know this from my own experience of having coctail pills.

Trust me.

Shulgins quote about MDA..

Source PIHKAL

DOSAGE: 80 - 160 mg.

DURATION: 4 - 6 (revised, Sep 2001).

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 100 mg) The coming on was gradual and pleasant, taking from an hour to an hour and one half to do so.

 

[Folley]

Well I still don't recommend anyone take a small dose a half hour before the one they want to take.. no matter how long it takes to come on.


Everyone, including myself, is more than happy with taking the two at once... why mess with that?

 

[futura2012]

Well I still don't recommend anyone take a small dose a half hour before the one they want to take.. no matter how long it takes to come on.

If you want the MDMA to kick in first then the MDA 30 mins or so later then take at once.

If you want everything to kick in at once take the MDA 20-30 mins prior.

Everyone, including myself, is more than happy with taking the two at once... why mess with that?

Everyone is different. Knowing that the two have different come up times is useful knowledge. You can gauge it as you like. I am not telling people what they should and shouldnt do I am just making people aware of something that might have been overlooked.

 

[Folley]

If you want the MDMA to kick in first then the MDA 30 mins or so later then take at once.

If you want everything to kick in at once take the MDA 20-30 mins prior.

That seriously doesn't happen at all. The two come up at the same time, they synergize perfectly if taken at the same time

Everyone is different.

If everyone is different, than why are such a large amount of people taking the two at the same time and having no problem with it at all? Telling people to take their MDA a half hour before the MDMA is.... well, useless. You just don't need to do it, at all.

 

[futura2012]

That seriously doesn't happen at all. The two come up at the same time, they synergize perfectly if taken at the same time

So you are suggesting that taking the MDMA together with MDA makes it come up faster? Unless there is some type of drug>drug synergy then I cant see how this is possible.

When ever I have taken a drug coctail of this nature the MDMA kicks in first then the MDA a bit later. Hence the initial comment. Particularly now people have the option with powders sourced off the internet. Might be something to experiment with as an option.

If everyone is different, than why are such a large amount of people taking the two at the same time and having no problem with it at all?

There is no problem?

Telling people to take their MDA a half hour before the MDMA is.... well, useless.

MDA takes longer for its effects to establish than MDMA. It is documented in PIHKAL usually an hour and a half.

Its not useless its an altenative method. Dont dismiss it in this way just because you dont do it.

You just don't need to do it, at all.

If hitting the peak at the same time is your thing cool if it is not then also cool.

your argueing against documented qualitative comments and findings from Shulgin I cant really see the point?

It is a fact that MDA takes longer to come up than MDMA that is a FACT. (assuming HCL, racemic etc)

I am not suggesting this method is good nor bad I am just making an observation.

 

[Folley]

Well I'm suggesting it may be bad. From personal experience, if you took a small dose before your large dose, you probably won't even feel the large dose, and if you do it will be much weaker than normal.


There may be some benefit, but I doubt you'll notice it either way, so it's probably just best to do the same thing everyone else has been doing for the past 30 years.....

 

[futura2012]

There may be some benefit, but I doubt you'll notice it either way, so it's probably just best to do the same thing everyone else has been doing for the past 30 years.....

Unsure would be interesting for someone to try it and see how it goes.

Conservative is sometimes good but not always.

 

[Folley]

I just think you should work out these theories 100% before you just go around telling people things like that, you know? I mean, you could have a good point there (although I don't think so) but 30 minutes beforehand is just WAY too much, and could be detrimental to the high

I just you should try and work it out a bit more next time before you make such bold claims

 

[futura2012]

I just think you should work out these theories 100% before you just go around telling people things like that

I did its called personal experience and reading scientific literature in this case PIHKAL.

I mean, you could have a good point there (although I don't think so)

Think being the operative word. You have no way of proving MDMA mixed with MDA causes MDA to work faster that is a theory of your own with no backup.

but 30 minutes beforehand is just WAY too much

According to PIHKAL its spot on. 20-30 mins prior and both will kick in at the same time.

and could be detrimental to the high

This makes no sense at all. If you took it 10 hours before the MDA high will still be the same. The only high its going to effect is the combined high and the point is by doing this both drugs would kick in at the same time. What you define as detrimental I dont know but it would certainly initially be more intense.

 

[Folley]

You have no way of proving MDMA mixed with MDA causes MDA to work faster that is a theory of your own with no backup.


According to PIHKAL its spot on. 20-30 mins prior and both will kick in at the same time.



This makes no sense at all. If you took it 10 hours before the MDA high will still be the same. The only high its going to effect is the combined high and the point is by doing this both drugs would kick in at the same time. What you define as detrimental I dont know but it would certainly initially be more intense.

1. I never said that. I said that taking the two together has worked for hundreds, if not thousands of people.

2. PIHKAL does not back you up, you use information in it to try and back up your theory. Big difference.

3. From personal experience, you'll start feeling MDMA after 20 minutes and MDA after 30. If you took the MDMA 30 minutes after your MDA, then it would kick in an hour after you took the MDA... that's called redosing, and redosing has been proven to be much less effective. Taking it all in one dose works, and if you take them separate you risk one dose coming on later than you anticipated and having a sub-par experience because of it.


I disagree with what you have stated, if you get some people to do a blind study, I might be convinced... until then I would prefer you didn't go around recommending people try your unfinished theories, until they are, you know.. finished. I mean this in general, not just this specifically, and I hope you'll take the criticism well.....? I mean it with the best intentions, your one of the most intelligent individuals on this board, but you can do better than that



You should probably PM me if you want to respond though, this has gone far enough off topic..

 

[futura2012]

(1) You said

That seriously doesn't happen at all. The two come up at the same time, they synergize perfectly if taken at the same time

I said

You have no way of proving MDMA mixed with MDA causes MDA to work faster that is a theory of your own with no backup.

You now say something totally out of context

I never said that. I said that taking the two together has worked for hundreds, if not thousands of people.

So I cant really address point one as you are saying two different things what exactly is your point to my comment???

2. PIHKAL does not back you up, you use information in it to try and back up your theory. Big difference.

My original comment:

One thing to add to this thread is the on set of MDA is slightly slower than MDMA so if you want everything to kick in at once take the MDA 30mins to 20mins before the MDMA.

PIHKAL states MDA come up = 1hr - 1.5 hours, MDMA come up = 30mins - 1 hour.

Yes PIHKAL does back me up. I am using relevant information to backup what you have originally disputed. This comment in point 2 makes no sense.

3. From personal experience, you'll start feeling MDMA after 20 minutes and MDA after 30. If you took the MDMA 30 minutes after your MDA, then it would kick in an hour after you took the MDA... that's called redosing, and redosing has been proven to be much less effective.

Every experience for every person is different. The on set of MDA comes after MDMA so if you take the MDA first then later the MDMA you have a better chance of them both kicking in together.

I have no idea what you are on about in regards to redosing?

Taking it all in one dose works, and if you take them separate you risk one dose coming on later than you anticipated and having a sub-par experience because of it.

Yes it works no disputing that.

No if you take them seperate you have a better chance of them kicking in together. this is because they have different onset times. As documentd in the literature already discussed.

I disagree with what you have stated, if you get some people to do a blind study, I might be convinced...

You have the right to agree or disagree with anyone on here you choose. I could always be convinced otherwise if you could put forward a valid argument but so far nothing.

until then I would prefer you didn't go around recommending people try your unfinished theories, until they are, you know.. finished.

This is no unfinished theory. MDA takes longer to kick in than MDMA simple for the reasons discussed. A forum is freedom of speech I will say what I choose fit just as you can.

I mean this in general, not just this specifically, and I hope you'll take the criticism well.....?

Debating is fun criticism is part of it. There are no personal insults here so all good

I mean it with the best intentions, your one of the most intelligent individuals on this board, but you can do better than that

A compliment followed by belittlement. Not sure what you are trying to achieve with this one? guess my response is thank you and you are wrong.

You should probably PM me if you want to respond though, this has gone far enough off topic..

This is bang on topic. This is open debate. Someone can chime at any moment and bring in their argument no point in hiding it in PM.

 

[Folley]

Yes it works no disputing that.

No if you take them seperate you have a better chance of them kicking in together. this is because they have different onset times. As documentd in the literature already discussed.

I'm disputing that right now. PIHKAL is not the bible, it's not a citable resource and isn't enough for you to make such a bold proclamation that he should take his 30mg of MDA 30 minutes before hand


You're making a claim, back that up with some tests if you want it to be legitimate. Right now it's just a random theory with no credibility. You can do better than that, it's not belittlement, it's constructive criticism...



I could pull up 20 trip reports of people saying they took MDMA and MDA at the same time and had an amazing night and that the two synergized perfectly as is. Can you find a report of someone who took a small dose of MDA before hand and had it synergize well with a later dose of MDMA?

 

[Folley]

Yes it works no disputing that.

No if you take them seperate you have a better chance of them kicking in together. this is because they have different onset times. As documentd in the literature already discussed.

I'm disputing that right now. PIHKAL is not the bible, it's not a citable resource and isn't enough for you to make such a bold proclamation that he should take his 30mg of MDA 30 minutes before hand


You're making a claim, back that up with some tests if you want it to be legitimate. Right now it's just a random theory with no credibility. You can do better than that, it's not belittlement, it's constructive criticism...



I could pull up 20 trip reports of people saying they took MDMA and MDA at the same time and had an amazing night and that the two synergized perfectly as is. Can you find a report of someone who took a small dose of MDA before hand and had it synergize well with a later dose of MDMA?

This is no unfinished theory. MDA takes longer to kick in than MDMA simple for the reasons discussed. A forum is freedom of speech I will say what I choose fit just as you can.

So you've tested and determined that 30 minutes is the BEST possible time to take the MDA? Did you try 10 minutes? 20? 40? At the same time? This is very unfinished my friend.

 

[futura2012]

I'm disputing that right now. PIHKAL is not the bible

Okay so your disputing PIHKAL and think MDMA and MDA have identical come up times. I dont agree but I now understand what you are saying.

You're making a claim, back that up with some tests if you want it to be legitimate. Right now it's just a random theory with no credibility. You can do better than that, it's not belittlement, it's constructive criticism...

Saying your better than that implies my standard of argument is lowered and as a result is used to strengthen your own.
Suggesting someone can do better than that in this context is not constructive criticism.

Quoting specific tests out of PIHKAL is not random with no credibility.

I could pull up 20 trip reports of people saying they took MDMA and MDA at the same time and had an amazing night and that the two synergized perfectly as is.

Yes I am sure you can this is not the point I was making.

Can you find a report of someone who took a small dose of MDA before hand and had it synergize well with a later dose of MDMA?

No because MDMA with MDA is often mixed in pills. I see no reason why the interaction of the drugs would work any differently regardless of whether you took the MDA first or after for that matter.

So you've tested and determined that 30 minutes is the BEST possible time to take the MDA? Did you try 10 minutes? 20? 40? At the same time? This is very unfinished my friend.

Based on literature out there come up time of MDA is slower than MDMA. Take MDA sooner than the MDMA you stand a better chance of the two coming on together at the same time. Are these figures plucked out of the air as you suggest no. One drug MDMA is reported to come up between 30mins-1Hr the other MDA between 1Hr-1.5HR.

How long exactly a drug takes for someone to come up on unsure? The point is the two have different onset times. If you disagree cool but taking MDA first is not going to be dangerous, fuck up the trip or mimic redosing issues as you claim.

Why dont you just accept that is my opinion and leave it at that. You have made it clear you disagree let a potential user read the arguments and decide for themselves what they might choose to do.

 

[Walkawalka]

Just so you all know I went through with this combo yesterday. It was pretty awesome. It felt like more complete experience and the roll was a lot more stable. i had more energy to talk to people and dance. The come down was notably hasher than mdma by itself and knowing how neurotoxic the combo probably is I would just stick to mdma/mda in the future but it was definitely worth a try and did not feel overly harmful.