Smackie Thread

[poledriver]

Police attribute Perth drug deaths to heroin overdoses

Police say they suspect three drug overdose deaths at the weekend were all linked to heroin use.

Officers say the three men, found in Gwelup, Craigie and East Perth, were aged between 36 and 52.

A total of 22 people have died from illicit drug overdoses so far this year.

The Serious and Organised Crime Division's Brett Ranford says the deaths should make people to think twice before taking drugs.

"In light of these deaths, those people that are contemplating using illicit drugs, in particular heroin, need to be mindful of the serious consequences that is associated with this use," he said.

"And, of course, they don't know what the typical strength and purity of these drugs are, and that poses a significant health risk to them."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-11/police-attribute-deaths-to-heroin-overdoses/4255594

 

[Ashley]

"And, of course, they don't know what the typical strength and purity of these drugs are, and that poses a significant health risk to them."

Then stick a price tag on it and tell us the typical strength and purity already!

Ash.

 

[tentram]

Isn't the scene in Cabra supposed to be pretty dead these days?

I've heard the same about QLD smack, though I can't speak from personal experience.

no personal experience myself with queensland/brisbane smack but there's no denying it's a hell of a lor lower quality and content wise for the most part unless you've got a decent hookup.

i've only had gear from melbourne while in brisbane and it was quality product.

there's essentially no smack scene where i live; it's pharms which are usually mscontins and oxycontin for the most part.

 

[footscrazy]

I've just got a prescription for suboxone, something I never really thought was appropriate for me...

The main reason is, I'm going away for a residential subject for uni next week, and although I've tried to taper beforehand, I haven't managed to. My doc has agreed me to give me takeaways for the duration of that subject straight away, which is really awesome.

I plan to do a quick taper with it, the plan is to not stay on it more than a couple of weeks. I hope that's what I do, as I don't think staying on it is a beneficial step from where I am now. The main thing is having something to hold me during this uni subject, as making a pst there would not be easy...

I've been prescribed 8mg though my friend Ashley thinks that's too high and recommends 4mg (thanks Ash ) - does anyone else have any opinions on that? It's hard to say what my tolly is using pst but last time I used oxy I used 80mg and felt nothing. I think I will ask the pharmacist whether they can cut the film in half tomorrow.

I'm also a bit worried about precipitated withdrawals when I start tomorrow - I've taken my usual pst this morning so it'll be 24 hours later, but pst does have a long halflife...

 

[spacejunk]

I'd start with way less than 4mg.
Maybe .5 and see how you go? I don't know how big your tolerance is, but I could see 4mg being too much for someone who maintains their habit on pst.
Good luck footsy - I wish you all the best. Sounds like you made a wise choice...withdrawal in such a position would be horrific. Then again, so would nodding out because you've had too much.
Start small

 

[Sonny Jim]

I have a stash of bupe (prescribed) for when I travel and have gone from PST to bupe twice now and each time I have waited until I was properly sick before dosing bupe (for me that means at the very least I must be getting the sweats/hot flushes/chills, waking up drenched in sweat). With PST that is almost always at least 2-3 days after the last dose for me.

If you find it hard not to dose daily, you can switch to codeine for a few days and adjust your dose so that the day before you want to start the bupe you take a small enough dose of codeine that ensures you wake up a bit sick and can dose bupe straight away. I have done that before as well and it works.

 

[footscrazy]

Thanks for the input guys.

I'll def ask the pharmacist to reduce my dose then, maybe see what they recommend too.

I'm going to go late tomorrow too, rather than first thing in the morning, so I'm further into wd. I'm assuming that if I'm feeling reasonably sick, it should be ok..

 

[tentram]

yeah, from reading your posts and seeing you mainly use codeine and pst, 8mg is way overkill imo as well. you really shouldn't need anything larger than 2mg in reality, maybe a little tiny bit more.

i'd start with 0.5mg, as spacejunk suggested as well, and slowly titrate up in .25mg increments until you're stable and feeling well and comfortable.

good luck with it, footsy

 

[chugs]

I've been prescribed 8mg though my friend Ashley thinks that's too high and recommends 4mg (thanks Ash ) -

You can always redose if 4mg doesn't hold you. I find the first time you have bupe its great. I'd go the whole 8mg. You might even be lucky and it'll get you high. edit: ok well 8mg would be pretty strong.

I'm also a bit worried about precipitated withdrawals

I used to worry about this all the time. If your getting through two days before needing to do with PST then you'll find that the bupe will work fine after 12hours. I was on daily heroin and found that 12 hours was enough. edit: hell i even did it as early as 8 hours

The thing i found with bupe is that low doses weren't helping me (2mg) and i was feeling shitty. The other thing is that if i take 4mg and fall asleep/cat nap I'll often awake feeling great. No sickness at all. Though that said 8mg would definitely get me high on bupe and i've often woken up feeling quite freakily high. So yeah i guess as a hold dose 4mg would be fine.

oh and as a final point withdrawing in public is a nightmare. I had to travel to brisbane for work. there I was in a conference room for a major corporation, with a dozen senior managers, in a big group training session with lots of interaction and training and I was withdrawing at the sametime. 8( 8( 8(

For some bizarre reason a green apple seemed to help me. Also big doses of vitamin C help (google it). but you have to dose multiple times a day with small amounts (30mg X 50 ) for it to be effective (uptake of Vit C is more effective at low doses)

 

[spacejunk]

this isn't advice - just personal experience - but before i knew anything about bupe i took it in the afternoon many times following a dose of pst or codeine. never experienced precipitated withdrawal (thankfully). this may not be the case for everyone, and i don't properly understand how opiate receptors work, but i never had an issue having buprenorphine right after pst.
many variables in this however - in the name of harm reduction i would definitely not recommend risking it.

 

[footscrazy]

Thanks again guys for the opinions.

Chugs, a green apple sounds like the kind of bizarre idea I like, I'm going to give that one a go

I ended up taking the whole 8mg today, 26 hours after my last pst. It was fine, no precipitated withdrawals. I was panicking so hard though, I really worked myself right up, I was so scared of getting them. I tried to get a lower dose but the pharmacist said she has to follow the doc's instructions - I'm seeing him tomorrow so I'm going to try and get the dose dropped. I want to make it as easy as possible for myself to taper off this completely and maintaining on 8mg seems completely counter to that goal. Hopefully the doc is cool with that - he did seem like a really good one although he didn't seem to know much about pst.

After reading and hearing of some others' experiences I'm really grateful to have found what seems like a good doc and a relatively good pharmacist too. It was funny though, the pharmacist was telling me today I'd made a good choice coming to her chemist because they're discreet and respectful and wont group me in with all the 'druggies' like some others will - and I was thinking, what do you think I am if I'm coming with a prescription for suboxone?!

 

[spacejunk]

^ gotta love stigma coming from someone that sells drugs. you should've said "ok, i won't treat you like my dealer"
good luck foots, i hope the uni work goes well and the whole opiate habit thing isn't a distraction.

 

[Ashley]

what do you think I am if I'm coming with a prescription for suboxone?!

Silly girl! Your obviously charming ways qualified you as a legitimate pain patient in their judgmental eyes.

Ash.

 

[chugs]

damn it Friday, where the fuck are you!

 

[inkedup77]

G'day guys, just wonder if anyone can suggest a safe cutter to me so I can advise my friend n he won't use anythinhbharmful/.dangerous when he jumps on his gear. He doesn't use h n has landed some very pure stuff. He's asked for my help Coz he knows I have a dabble but I'm not sure what the safest thing for peoples veins/health is. Any suggestions? Cheers

 

[spacejunk]

use less. there is no need to cut your own gear. tell your 'mate' to use some milligram scales, you can get them cheap online


...and we don't tell people how to adulterate drugs for sale to others; this is a harm reduction website

 

[cassandragemini]

^ I agree with spacejunk, please don't cut it, get a .000 or .0000 scale and measure out what you need. I take it he's jumping on it because he wants to sell it? Its good that youre trying to find a 'safe' cut but i think cutting it is altogether a bad idea, there's enough shit in street gear as it is and he's just going to end up putting more crap into users bodies which I think is uncool. There's nothing that should be unnecessarily put into people, anything he puts in will harm people to some degree and if he doesn't know what he's doing and puts in something stupid then he could really hurt someone. I understand it may be harder to sell - people may think they're getting ripped off because they might look smaller than usual but if it's good and clean then it'll sell itself once word gets out. You should try your best to disuade him from cutting it and get him to measure out accurate doses instead, make it your good deed for the day.

 

[the_ketaman]

I honestly think its a better idea to cut it than sell gear that is much purer that the local stuff and have the possibility of people OD'ing and the harsh but true reality that OD's bring heat! People dont listen when you tell them that this gear is awesome and you should only have a bit, they just do their usual thing and bang, OD gone, deadski.... Im all for HM but ive had enough people OD and die in my life to have formed the opinion that a little cut in the body is a lot better than a dead friend! Or even the people that I dont know and are'nt my friends, I feel for them. Such a simple mistake led to the end of their lives.
The purity of H is really starting to vary a lot more than it has in the last few years at least around here. I know everywhere is different but it went from awesome stuff off my guy for a year, then he started selling shit that I could easily smash 1/2-3/4g without OD'ing, but the other day myself and a close BL'er friend had 1.5pts each of other gear and I was absolutely hammered from that. If id had xanax I reckon I would have OD'd for sure.

I dont get whats the big deal about that question?.... People cut their drugs! Its a fact! He/She wants to know the safest way to do it. I was going to say glucose but I just read that if the person that uses it is diabetic it can kill them. See! It is worth talking about as this guy may have just used glucose as its a very common cut and ended up killing some poor diabetic. Yes its extremely unlikely but it could happpen. Im really glad I just saw that because people have told me its not good using glucose as it makes the comedown worse and fucks with your body more but I never actually thought it could kill a diabetic even though its quite obvious. Ive always just cut my speed(to snort not to sell) with glucose or epsom salt if I plan on injecting as well(which obv is my prefferred method of injestion for most drugs ) but im not sure if the epsom thing is a good idea either, I have no idea why epsom salts gives you the rush when injected with speed but im sure its not good. For heroin Inositol or Mannitol is what other reputable websites are saying is safest to use as a cutter for heroin.

Just remember inkedup tell your mate not to be a cunt and cut it to shit. It should still be good gear when he's done with it, just cut it enough to make a small profit and enough that people will be safe(er). If a non-tolerant person needs more than half a point in a shot you've fucked it!... And to non-tolernt peeps dont take that as a guide to use 1/2pt shots coz theres definitely gear out there that would possibly OD a noob in those doses!

 

[spacejunk]

^ i hear what you're saying, ketaman. unfortunately inkedup77 asked this question in a couple of threads that got closed, and continued asking it across the boards. it raises alarm bells for me, because we aren't here to advise dealers on how to adulterate their dope.

the advice you give was given in other threads too, but there is just no way i could feel ok about advising someone to put a non-sterile inactive adulterant into their drugs which are obviously for sale. in the same way that we don't explain to people how they can lay a gram of 25i-NBOMe onto blotter for sale - it's just not bluelight's job to help dealers make their drugs less pure (and more in line with user expectations).
if you pick up a new batch of gear, start with a small taste - too many people have died presuming that their heroin was impure when wasn't. i know it isn't that simple, but it is a matter of life and death sometimes. if you guy says "it's really strong" - maybe he's not bullshitting you this time.

 

[OpiateAddict4Life]

i am with Opi8,love hate relationship,mainly hate lol,strange thing is im on 10mg of subutex and apparently you cannot get high whilst on it? well i use about once a week/fortnight and yeah i admit it does not do much but sorta gives me energy and as i suffer from anxiety i take it for that reason too,then again i do use 3 bags NO PRICES in one go (inject with 1ml pin),anyone else in a simlar situation as far as being on subs and using at the same time? My first post so High everyone ;




edit- woops austrailian thread,im uk sorry :/