Thank you @Atelier3 for moving us past insults and continuing this thread forward. I hate it when people get so wrapped up in their beliefs when medicine is involved.If @The Wizard of the Creek wants to throw witchcraft into the mix of alternative treatments under discussion then I think that is useful. So long as he can explain why he believes in it.
I don’t follow your logic @Foreigner. Which, in my experience, usually happens only when there are logical flaws in what people are telling me. Your arguments for accepting TCM without first obtaining scientific verification are based on them being a ‘different epistemology’ rooted in culture and history. I’m right on that so far aren’t I? Well, how is sorcery or witchcraft as practiced in Africa or Papua New Guinea or Australia for that matter, any different. It is believed intensely by the people who practice it, it is deeply rooted in tradition and culture, and it is unverified by scientific method. Exactly like TCM and Ayurveda.If you think a discussion about witch doctors is en par with historical medicine systems like ayurveda and TCM then you're more willfully ignorant than I could have ever possibly imagined, and I no longer wish to participate. It's totally invalidating how you lump everything into the category of "alternative", without nuance, without cultural or historical differentiation. It doesn't seem like you want to really know... you just want to push your own narrative of science vs. anti-science. If you wanted to know for real, then you'd quickly discover how insulting and ignorant it is to just lump them all together.
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I think psychedelics are a very useful case study for what we are trying to explore in this thread. Obviously they have a long history in the health practices of many different cultures. Often wrapped up in their religious practices - which is interesting because I think there may be connection between certain kinds of religiosity and health. However, the claims made by Western enthusiasts for the health value of psychedelics were made BEFORE any scientific analysis of those psychedelics. Yet, in the last few years (actually also in the 1960s) we have seen a wealth of quality scientific studies that demonstrate the truth of many claims made for these drugs.Depends on the alternative medicine i believe many things can help. Infact i have experimented using LSD to heal physical ailments and got extreme results. I could heal very nasty wounds closed up and accerlated healing while on LSD, my hair always grows ultra fast the more LSD i take aswell compared to when i dont take it.
Just because something is not reported in a medical journey means we can not dismiss it. Infact alot of doctors are into some wacky stuff.
I believe you can heal yourself aswell using your own kundalini energy. wim hof can control his own immune system with meditation. Peyote can cure blindness.
I think this is such an interesting subject. To begin with, humans haven’t been able to study every single aspect of “x“ treatments for “y“ condition. There are large gaps in traditional medicine, we as a species have advanced so far, but we still have quite a way to go. This became blatantly obvious to me after my heart issues and just how little nuanced care medical professionals can really offer. I think certain alternative medicines can compliment traditional medicine, and for that reason, I agree 100% with @The Wizard of the Creek ’s post in that regard.I’m curious about how people who regularly use these “Alternative Medicine” treatments rationalise the fact that there is no evidence for their use.
The worst is probably homeopathy. It could honestly be a parody of alternative medicine.
Way I see it, what it comes down to is that if you have little to no education, all ideas become pretty much as plausible as each other.
Actually I've repeatedly read that the level of dilution in most homeopathic remedies is such that there's likely not a single molecule of the original substance left.Thanks Alex. Homeopathy is still a multibillion dollar industry around the world. I’d love to hear from someone who believes in it about why they do.
However, generally homeopathy is thought pretty benign. The minuscule concentrations of active ingredients are so small you could probably take homeopathic cyanide and survive.
What about the medicine that hasn't had time to be scientifically studied and tested, yet?I believe there is medicine that has a rational, evidence based and consistent mechanism by which it should work, and recorded scientific observations to indicate that it does. Which I would call "medicine"