Ah. So it was because we were/are racist.
Why We Took Cocaine Out of Soda
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I'm guessing the average person that drank this stuff wouldnt have had much of a tolerance and got a nice little buzz and thats about it.
I never used to drink any caffeine because it really affected me, even if i had a cup of tea or something during the day, id have trouble sleeping at night. You give a coca drink to someone with zero coke (ha...) tolerance, and they'd probably want to talk a little more than usual.
I never used to drink any caffeine because it really affected me, even if i had a cup of tea or something during the day, id have trouble sleeping at night. You give a coca drink to someone with zero coke (ha...) tolerance, and they'd probably want to talk a little more than usual.
thats intense
Cocaethylene isn't a super drug its toxic, and is bad for your heart/liver AFIAK
"Cocaine use is linked to cardiovascular problems especially increased heart rate and blood pressure. These risks have been demonstrated to be further increased by cocaethylene. A study in 1997 (Farre et al) found that whilst cocaine increased heart rates by 12 beats per minute (BPM), cocaethylene increased heart rates by 33 BPM. Increased heart risks are thought to be concomitant with up to 30% increased blood cocaine levels when cocaethylene is formed"
"Cocaine use is linked to cardiovascular problems especially increased heart rate and blood pressure. These risks have been demonstrated to be further increased by cocaethylene. A study in 1997 (Farre et al) found that whilst cocaine increased heart rates by 12 beats per minute (BPM), cocaethylene increased heart rates by 33 BPM. Increased heart risks are thought to be concomitant with up to 30% increased blood cocaine levels when cocaethylene is formed"
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fwiw, when cocaine was removed from coca cola, the amount was so small it was irrelevant. and to say that prohibition's chief cause was racism is to miss the point. societies have almost always fought (most)intoxicants, and while race was part of the hysteria for getting pot banned (or religion, for banning heretic psychoactives like peyote), those are just the scapegoats of the moment.
yea i think it only contained a few mgs of actual cocaine. coca cola still uses a ton of alkaloids for the flavor if im not mistaken. cool story.
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if by 'coca alkaloids', then yes you'd be mistaken. if by 'alkaloid' you mean that kola nut is still probably part of their 'flavor syrup blend', then yeah probably.
Thats right, thats the cola part. I thought they still used something from coca leaf but i guess it was something else
[QUOTE='medicine cabinet';11308924]Thats right, thats the cola part. I thought they still used something from coca leaf but i guess it was something else[/QUOTE]
Yea, Coca-Cola still uses a coca extract. The goal was to eradicate coca from th face of the earth by the UN, so new coke came up. Wasn't successful so coke went back to its original coca extract containing recipy. So the idea was scrapped> coca-cola had a lab in Kaui but cant remember the story behind it but it ould seem that Coca-Cola has so muc money that they had the capability of not just lobbying one country but the entire UN. So their trujillo coca fields remain.
Another piece of trivia- not sure if its true. But I read the drink "Cuba libre" was developed not by Cuban post Castro expats but after the Spanish American war containing rum and cocainized coca-cola syrup.
Yea, Coca-Cola still uses a coca extract. The goal was to eradicate coca from th face of the earth by the UN, so new coke came up. Wasn't successful so coke went back to its original coca extract containing recipy. So the idea was scrapped> coca-cola had a lab in Kaui but cant remember the story behind it but it ould seem that Coca-Cola has so muc money that they had the capability of not just lobbying one country but the entire UN. So their trujillo coca fields remain.
Another piece of trivia- not sure if its true. But I read the drink "Cuba libre" was developed not by Cuban post Castro expats but after the Spanish American war containing rum and cocainized coca-cola syrup.
Prohibitions were founded on racism because the people behind it knew for a fact that the majority of white people would be enraged and respond to it. The real reason marijuana was made illegal was because the people who owned the big lumber companies knew hemp would eventually replace the wood we use for all types of materials, mostly paper. They couldn't let this happen and lose their billion dollar empires, so they said "Hey, lets just tell America that marijuana causes black men to rape white women, and then they'll outlaw it and we wont have anything to worry about anymore.", and that's exactly what they did. They were also behind the propaganda of the movie Reefer Madness that was made in the 30's.
CJWillis1986;11345510 said:
Also I think the owners of these huge timber investments in canada were the very same people who owned the major newspapers of the day and so had the ability to assume editorial control of the news media to further demonize cannabis and push the propaganda and spread the lies and fear.
Very good article, great way to start off the day!
Social injustice and "a most wonderful invigorator of sexual organs"
When cocaine and alcohol meet inside a person, they create a third unique drug called cocaethylene. Cocaethylene works like cocaine, but with more euphoria.
So in 1863, when Parisian chemist Angelo Mariani combined coca and wine and started selling it, a butterfly did flap its wings. His Vin Marian became extremely popular. Jules Verne, Alexander Dumas, and Arthur Conan Doyle were among literary figures said to have used it, and the chief rabbi of France said, "Praise be to Mariani's wine!"
Pope Leo XIII reportedly carried a flask of it regularly and gave Mariani a medal.
Seeing this commercial success, Dr. John Stith Pemberton in Atlanta -- himself a morphine addict following an injury in the Civil War -- set out to make his own version. He called it Pemberton's French Wine Coca and marketed it as a panacea. Among many fantastic claims, he called it "a most wonderful invigorator of sexual organs."
But as Pemberton's business started to take off, a prohibition was passed in his county in Georgia (a local one that predated the 18th Amendment by 34 years). Soon French Wine Coca was illegal -- because of the alcohol, not the cocaine.
Pemberton remained a step ahead, though. He replaced the wine in the formula with (healthier?) sugar syrup. His new product debuted in 1886: "Coca-Cola: The temperance drink."
After that, as Grace Elizabeth Hale recounted recently in the The New York Times, Coca-Cola "quickly caught on as an 'intellectual beverage' among well-off whites." But when the company started selling it in bottles in 1899, minorities who couldn't get into the segregated soda fountains suddenly had access to it.
Hale explains:
Anyone with a nickel, black or white, could now drink the cocaine-infused beverage. Middle-class whites worried that soft drinks were contributing to what they saw as exploding cocaine use among African-Americans. Southern newspapers reported that "negro cocaine fiends" were raping white women, the police powerless to stop them. By 1903, [then-manager of Coca-Cola Asa Griggs] Candler had bowed to white fears (and a wave of anti-narcotics legislation), removing the cocaine and adding more sugar and caffeine.
Hale's account of the role of racism and social injustice in Coca-Cola's removal of coca is corroborated by the attitudes that the shaped subsequent U.S. cocaine regulation movement. Cocaine wasn't even illegal until 1914 -- 11 years after Coca-Cola's change -- but a massive surge in cocaine use was at its peak at the turn of the century. Recreational use increased five-fold in a period of less than two decades. During that time, racially oriented arguments about rape and other violence, and social effects more so than physical health concerns, came to shape the discussion. The same hypersexuality that was touted as a selling point during the short-lived glory days of Vin Mariani was now a crux of cocaine's bigoted indictment. U.S. State Department official Dr. Hamilton Wright said in 1910, "The use of cocaine by the negroes of the South is one of the most elusive and troublesome questions which confront the enforcement of the law ... often the direct incentive to the crime of rape by the negroes." Dr. Edward Williams described in the Medical Standard in 1914, "The negro who has become a cocaine-doper is a constant menace to his community. His whole nature is changed for the worse ... timid negroes develop a degree of 'Dutch courage' which is sometimes almost incredible."
Yes, even the Dutch were not spared from the racism.
The Coca-Cola we know today still contains coca -- but the ecgonine alkaloid is removed from it. Perfecting that extraction took until 1929, so before that there were still trace amounts of coca's psychoactive elements in Coca-Cola. As Dominic Streatfield describes in Cocaine: An Unauthorized Biography, the extraction is now done at a New Jersey chemical processing facility by a company called Stepan. In 2003, Stepan imported 175,000 kilograms of coca for Coca-Cola. That's enough to make more than $200 million worth of cocaine. They refer to the coca leaf extract simply as "Merchandise No. 5."
The facility is guarded.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/01/why-we-took-cocaine-out-of-soda/272694/
When cocaine and alcohol meet inside a person, they create a third unique drug called cocaethylene. Cocaethylene works like cocaine, but with more euphoria.
So in 1863, when Parisian chemist Angelo Mariani combined coca and wine and started selling it, a butterfly did flap its wings. His Vin Marian became extremely popular. Jules Verne, Alexander Dumas, and Arthur Conan Doyle were among literary figures said to have used it, and the chief rabbi of France said, "Praise be to Mariani's wine!"
Pope Leo XIII reportedly carried a flask of it regularly and gave Mariani a medal.
Seeing this commercial success, Dr. John Stith Pemberton in Atlanta -- himself a morphine addict following an injury in the Civil War -- set out to make his own version. He called it Pemberton's French Wine Coca and marketed it as a panacea. Among many fantastic claims, he called it "a most wonderful invigorator of sexual organs."
But as Pemberton's business started to take off, a prohibition was passed in his county in Georgia (a local one that predated the 18th Amendment by 34 years). Soon French Wine Coca was illegal -- because of the alcohol, not the cocaine.
Pemberton remained a step ahead, though. He replaced the wine in the formula with (healthier?) sugar syrup. His new product debuted in 1886: "Coca-Cola: The temperance drink."
After that, as Grace Elizabeth Hale recounted recently in the The New York Times, Coca-Cola "quickly caught on as an 'intellectual beverage' among well-off whites." But when the company started selling it in bottles in 1899, minorities who couldn't get into the segregated soda fountains suddenly had access to it.
Hale explains:
Anyone with a nickel, black or white, could now drink the cocaine-infused beverage. Middle-class whites worried that soft drinks were contributing to what they saw as exploding cocaine use among African-Americans. Southern newspapers reported that "negro cocaine fiends" were raping white women, the police powerless to stop them. By 1903, [then-manager of Coca-Cola Asa Griggs] Candler had bowed to white fears (and a wave of anti-narcotics legislation), removing the cocaine and adding more sugar and caffeine.
Hale's account of the role of racism and social injustice in Coca-Cola's removal of coca is corroborated by the attitudes that the shaped subsequent U.S. cocaine regulation movement. Cocaine wasn't even illegal until 1914 -- 11 years after Coca-Cola's change -- but a massive surge in cocaine use was at its peak at the turn of the century. Recreational use increased five-fold in a period of less than two decades. During that time, racially oriented arguments about rape and other violence, and social effects more so than physical health concerns, came to shape the discussion. The same hypersexuality that was touted as a selling point during the short-lived glory days of Vin Mariani was now a crux of cocaine's bigoted indictment. U.S. State Department official Dr. Hamilton Wright said in 1910, "The use of cocaine by the negroes of the South is one of the most elusive and troublesome questions which confront the enforcement of the law ... often the direct incentive to the crime of rape by the negroes." Dr. Edward Williams described in the Medical Standard in 1914, "The negro who has become a cocaine-doper is a constant menace to his community. His whole nature is changed for the worse ... timid negroes develop a degree of 'Dutch courage' which is sometimes almost incredible."
Yes, even the Dutch were not spared from the racism.
The Coca-Cola we know today still contains coca -- but the ecgonine alkaloid is removed from it. Perfecting that extraction took until 1929, so before that there were still trace amounts of coca's psychoactive elements in Coca-Cola. As Dominic Streatfield describes in Cocaine: An Unauthorized Biography, the extraction is now done at a New Jersey chemical processing facility by a company called Stepan. In 2003, Stepan imported 175,000 kilograms of coca for Coca-Cola. That's enough to make more than $200 million worth of cocaine. They refer to the coca leaf extract simply as "Merchandise No. 5."
The facility is guarded.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/01/why-we-took-cocaine-out-of-soda/272694/