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Cocaine Why is cocaine so stressful on the heart?

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I was just wondering for HR why it's practically impossible to overdose on amphetamines or meth in comparison to cocaine--where so many people have overdosed/have had heart problems down the line from cocaine use specifically.

Does anyone know why this is?
 
Cocaine has a diverse profile that adversely affects the heart in multiple ways. A big one for arrhythmogenic potential I believe is sodium channel blockade (thus the numbing effect). Potent, effective vasoconstriction such that it is used in some ENT procedures still. I think cocaethylene from co-ingestion with alcohol also does another ion channel, maybe some potassium one.

Amphetamines have relatively more selectivity.

Here's a random paper which likely has more accurate details.

 
Thanks a ton. So it is not necessarily the fact that it makes the heart accelerate just how it affects a few aspects of channels differently than amphetamine... ok thx! I'll read the paper in a bit.
 
In addition to these, the numbing effect distrupts the transmission of electrical signals that makes your heart beat regularly if I remember correctly. This causes, sometimes fatal, heart arrhythmia. So even if your heart beat is not high, you could have a serious complication.
 
Yeah amphetamine absolutely does increase your heart rate too despite not being cardiotoxic like cocaine. I have an Apple Watch and can literally see my heart rate shooting up when I take amphetamines. I know when I have taken my meds because of my heart rate data haha.
Amphetamines shouldn't be taken lightly......... it's still a very strong stimulant and anyone who thinks it's not is arrogant, i've overdosed on a combination of Amphetamine and methamphetamine, aswell as on cocaine, it's not an experience that's very pleasant and very few are equipped to handle such a situation, thus always use stimulants with caution

Vasocontriction is the culprit for cocaine Overdose and Disturbance/interruption of the Sympathetic nervous system
or atleast has been in my two occasions, because the first thing you feel when having a coke overdose is this squeezing feeling, it's a terrible feeling, you'll know it if it ever happens, moderation is key
 
Because of its HERG activity, like fentanyl or most local anesthetics, combined to its stimulant properties disregulates the mechanisms that control the heart-rate.
 
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What effects does cocaine have on the heart?

Cocaine is a potent drug that stimulates the central nervous system, causing a euphoric high. It also causes blood pressure and heart rate to increase, and it disrupts the heart’s electrical signals.

These effects to the heart and cardiovascular system increase a person’s risk for heart-related health issues, including a heart attack. Indeed, Australian researchers first used the phrase “the perfect heart-attack drug” in research they presented to the American Heart Association’s Scientific Sessions in 2012.

The risks to your heart and cardiovascular system don’t only come after years of cocaine use; the effects of cocaine are so immediate on your body that you could experience a heart attack with your first dose.

Cocaine was the leading cause of drug abuse-related visits to emergency departments (ED) in 2009. (Opioids are the leading cause of drug-related ED visits more recently.) Most of these cocaine-related visits were due to cardiovascular complaints, such as chest pain and racing heart, according to a 2014 study.

Let’s take a closer look at how cocaine affects the body and why it’s so dangerous to your heart health.

Cocaine’s effects on heart health

Cocaine is a fast-acting drug, and it causes several types of adverse effects on the body. Here are some of the effects the drug can have on your heart and blood vessels.

Blood pressure

Soon after cocaine is ingested, your heart will begin to beat faster. At the same time, cocaine narrows your body’s capillaries and blood vessels.

This puts a higher degree of stress, or pressure, on your vascular system, and your heart is forced to pump harder to move blood through your body. Your blood pressure will increase as a result.

Hardening of arteries

Cocaine use may lead to the hardening of arteries and capillaries. This condition, called atherosclerosis, isn’t immediately noticeable, but the short- and long-term damage caused by it can lead to heart disease and other potentially life-threatening issues.

In fact, 28 percent of people who died suddenly after cocaine use showed severe atherosclerosis-related coronary artery disease.

Aortic dissection

The abrupt increase in pressure and extra stress on the heart muscle can lead to a sudden tear in the wall of your aorta, the main artery in your body. This is called an aortic dissection (AD).

An AD can be painful and life-threatening. It requires immediate medical treatment. Older studies have shown that cocaine use was a factor in up to 9.8 percent of AD cases.

Inflammation of the heart muscle

Cocaine use can cause inflammation in the layers of your heart’s muscles. Over time, the inflammation can lead to muscle hardening. This can make your heart less efficient at pumping blood, and it can lead to life-threatening complications, including heart failure.

Heart rhythm disturbances

Cocaine can interfere with your heart’s electrical system and disrupt the signals that tell each portion of your heart to pump in sync with the others. This can lead to arrhythmias, or an irregular heartbeat.

Cocaine-induced heart attacks

The variety of effects on the heart and blood vessels from cocaine use increase the risk for a heart attack. Cocaine can cause increased blood pressure, stiff arteries, and thickened heart muscle walls, which can lead to a heart attack.

A 2012 study of recreational cocaine users found that their hearts’ health showed significant impairment. They averaged 30 to 35 percent greater aortic stiffening and higher blood pressure than non-cocaine users.

They also had an 18 percent increase in thickness of their heart’s left ventricle. These factors are linked to a higher risk for heart attack or stroke.

A 2014 study found that regular cocaine use was associated with an increased risk of premature death. However, this study didn’t link the early deaths to cardiovascular-related death.

That being said, a 2018 study found that 4.7 percent of adults under age 50 had used cocaine at the time of their first heart attack.

What’s more, cocaine and/or marijuana was present in 1 in 10 people who had heart attacks under age 50. The use of these drugs significantly increased an individual’s risk for cardiovascular-related death.

Cocaine-induced heart attacks are not just a risk for individuals who’ve used the drug for years. In fact, a first-time user can experience a cocaine-induced heart attack.

Cocaine use quadruples sudden death in users 15–49 years of age, due primarily to resulting cardiovascular disease.

Symptoms of cocaine-related heart problems

Cocaine use can cause immediate heart-related symptoms. These include increased heart rate, sweating, and palpitations. Chest pain can occur, too. This may lead individuals to seek treatment at a hospital or emergency room.

The most significant damage to the heart, however, may be occurring silently. This lasting damage may be difficult to detect. A 2011 study found that medical tests rarely show damage to a cocaine user’s blood vessels or heart.

A cardiovascular magnetic resonance (CMR)test can detect the damage. CMRs performed in people who’ve used cocaine show excess fluid on the heart, muscle stiffening and thickening, and changes to the motion of the heart’s walls. Traditional exams may not show many of these symptoms.

An electrocardiogram (ECG)can also detect silent damage in the hearts of people who’ve used cocaine. An ECG study in cocaine users found that the average resting heart rate is significantly lower in people who’ve used cocaine compared to people who’ve not used the drug.

Also, this same study found that an ECG shows cocaine users have more severe bradycardia, or abnormally slow pumping. The severity of the condition is worse the longer a person uses cocaine.
Treatment of cocaine-related heart problems

Most treatments for cocaine-related cardiovascular issues are the same as what’s used in people who haven’t used the drug. However, cocaine use does complicate some cardiovascular therapies.

For example, people who’ve used cocaine cannot take beta blockers. This type of critical medication works to lower blood pressure by blocking the effects of the hormone adrenaline. Blocking adrenaline slows the heart rate and allows the heart to pump less forcefully.

In individuals who’ve used cocaine, beta blockers may actually lead to greater blood vessel constriction, which can increase blood pressure even more.

Your doctor may also be reluctant to use a stent in your heart if you do have a heart attack because it can increase your risk for blood clotting. At the same time, your doctor may be unable to use clot-busting medication if a clot does form.

Getting help for cocaine use

Regular cocaine use increases your risk of a heart attack and stroke. That’s because cocaine can cause damage to your heart almost immediately after you begin using it, and the damage builds the longer you use the drug.

Quitting cocaine doesn’t immediately reduce your risk for cardiovascular health problems, since much of the damage can be permanent. However, quitting cocaine can prevent further damage, which reduces your risk for heart-related health issues, such as a heart attack.

If you’re a frequent cocaine user, or even if you only use it occasionally, seeking professional help may benefit you. Cocaine is a highly addictive drug. Repeated use can lead to dependence, even addiction. Your body may become accustomed to the effects of the drug, which may make withdrawals more difficult.

Talk with your doctor about finding help to quit the drug. Your doctor may refer you to a substance abuse counselor or a rehabilitation facility. These organizations and people can help you overcome withdrawals and learn to cope without the drug.

The takeaway

If you have used or still use cocaine, you can find help to quit. The drug is potent and powerful, and withdrawal from it can be difficult.

However, quitting is the only way to stop the damage that the drug does, mostly silently, to your body’s organs. Quitting can also help extended your life expectancy, giving you back decades you may lose if you continue to use the drug.

https://www.healthline.com/health/cocaine-heart-attack#The-takeaway

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What does cocaine do to the heart?

VICE | 14 Jul 2019

Hate to be the one to tell you this, but: cocaine is not good for you. Let that bombshell sink in for a moment. As well as being bad for the soul, coke is also terrible for your heart, which is easily one of the top five most important organs... of all time. How can you expect to live, laugh or love without a heart? Consider the Tin Man in The Wizard of Oz, the most famous heartless man of all. What is the Tin Man? He's a pathetic oddball. A weird, sexless, freak. Hopefully this gives you some food for thought re: your gear intake.

It's a bit of a buzzkill having to consider your own mortality while hoovering up a line, which means that if you're a regular user it can be tempting to respond to information about the risks by putting your fingers in your ears. But it's worth knowing. Ignorance is bliss, but only up to the point you find yourself having a cardiac arrest at the age of 34.

So what does using cocaine actually do to your heart?

THE BIOLOGY

Nick Hickmott, Team Leader at drug and alcohol charity Addaction, explains: "Cocaine constricts the blood vessels around the heart, reducing the blood flow. It raises blood pressure, making it beat faster. It puts pressure on the heart and makes it work harder than it usually needs do." The result is that regular cocaine use can increase your risk of heart disease.

But it's pointless considering the risk posed by cocaine use in isolation – because who ever takes coke by itself? As Vod in the Channel 4 sitcom Fresh Meat says, "Coke is not a drug. It's a facilitator for consuming other substances. Think of coke as your mate – poking you awake with a pointy stick at 4 in the morning, reminding you to pour more and more dirt into your system."

MIXING COCAINE AND ALCOHOL

Cocaine and alcohol are the two most notorious bedfellows: the Alfie Deyes and Zoella of poly-drug use. It's estimated that three-quarters of cocaine users drink while doing gak. Unfortunately, this combination is even more dangerous, elevating your heart rate and blood pressure more than cocaine would on its own.

In the short term, this could literally kill you: a recent study showed that emergency department patients who used a combination of alcohol and cocaine died more often than those who had just taken coke.

SOME TIPS

When taking cocaine, you should try to keep your alcohol intake as low as possible. And if you really don't enjoy doing cocaine without drinking, maybe you just... don't enjoy it? Being really pissed yet wide awake can be fun, yes, but is it enjoyable enough to worth risking death, either immediately or after a drawn out bout of heart disease?

If you are fully committed to the sesh, or have regularly used cocaine in the past, is there any way of fortifying your heart? Is the damage reversible?

Guy Jones, a harm reduction specialist, tells VICE, "Long-term regular cocaine use can lead to heart tissue swelling and scarring, and while the swelling is reversible via exercise and not doing loads of gear all the time, the scarring – which results in permanent damage to the heart and a potential early death – is not."

It's possible, and generally a good idea, to strengthen your heart by living an otherwise healthy lifestyle, with regular exercise and a healthy diet (a professional athlete, Guy says, would "probably be less likely to die" from coke). But you can neither reverse nor avoid the damage it causes entirely. As annoying as it is having to think about death, it’s important to understand and acknowledge the risks you’re taking. That way, at least you're well within your rights to say, "Fuck it, I’m gonna do it anyway – heart disease be damned!"

 
I appreciate the posts. I was mainly getting at the question as to why adderall and meth increase heart levels obviously but cocaine does as well, and why cocaine is far more dangerous and much more easier to have fatal overdoses on.

Apparently one would need like 2000+ milligrams of adderall (with no tolerance) to have a fatal overdose and even then? I'm not asking these questions to off myself I promise! I'm just curious in the bio/chemistry of the substances and why both elevate heart levels but one is objectively more dangerous. Not that amphetamine is harmless, it's just I'm seeing that most stimulants aren't as potentially dangerous like cocaine really is. Cocaine seems to be the deadliest stimulant from what I gather.

So far from what you guys have said it's because cocaine affects the heart in a way other stims don't. It accelerates the heart pumping but also constricts bloodflow.. I know someone close to me that was a former cocaine addict and overall very healthy and physically active, but has heart problems probably bc of former substance abuse as no one else in his family has the same issue.
 
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Still studying it myself (cardiac danger ~ cocaine vs meth). Here's a bit more information I found on this.

How cocaine affects the cardiovascular system

By Richard Fogoros, MD

There are few things emergency room doctors dread more than seeing a young cocaine user showing up with chest pain, or other symptoms suggestive of cardiovascular disease. Their dread is well-founded.

Cocaine use can produce a variety of potentially catastrophic cardiovascular problems, which may be entirely acute or may become chronic. Worse, these problems may occur even in people whose cocaine exposure is limited to occasional, recreational usage.

So the dread is understandable. What the ER doctor sees is a young, otherwise-healthy person who may be suffering from a cocaine-induced life-threatening or disability-producing cardiac condition. Worse, the doctor knows that even if a correct diagnosis is made rapidly and treatment is instituted right away, this young person’s long-term outcome is all too likely to remain poor, because of the widespread effects of cocaine on human physiology.

Cocaine and the cardiovascular system

Cocaine is a drug that inhibits the re-uptake of norepinephrine in neurons throughout the body. Norepinephrine is a powerful neurotransmitter within the sympathetic nervous system, and when its re-uptake is inhibited, the sympathetic nervous activity becomes greatly exaggerated and prolonged.

The exaggerated sympathetic nervous activity has profound effects on the cardiovascular system. It substantially increases the force of the heart muscle as it contracts, and at the same time, it raises the heart rate and the blood pressure. These factors all greatly increase the work of the heart, and therefore the demand of the heart for oxygen and nutrients.

But at the same time that it is causing the cardiovascular system to work so much harder, cocaine simultaneously limits the amount of work the heart can do without damaging itself. It does this by causing constriction of the capillaries, thus reducing the blood flow to the heart muscle. In addition, cocaine promotes blood clotting within blood vessels, which limits blood flow to vital organs — including the heart.

This is a very bad combination of physiological effects. While it creates a greatly increased cardiac need for oxygen, cocaine simultaneously restricts blood flow to the heart muscle, restricting the amount of oxygen that can be delivered. The cardiovascular system thus becomes extremely stressed.

What cardiovascular conditions are caused by cocaine use?

Several important cardiovascular conditions can result from this combination of effects caused by cocaine use.

- Heart attack. Heart attacks are a well-known complication of cocaine use, and can occur with any dose of cocaine, and even in first-time users. Most cocaine-induced heart attacks occur within one hour of using the drug, and they are particularly prevalent in younger people. In fact, cocaine use has been implicated in nearly 25% of heart attacks that occur in people under 45.

- Acute aortic dissection — a sudden tearing of the wall of the aorta — is an extremely painful and life-threatening condition. While there are many causes of aortic dissection, in young people cocaine use is a prevalent cause.3

- Coronary artery aneurysm. Coronary artery aneurysms, balloon-like dilations of coronary arteries, are fairly common in cocaine users, occurring in about 30% of chronic users.4 Coronary artery aneurysms are a cause of heart attack.

- Myocarditis and cardiomyopathy. Cocaine causes myocarditis or inflammation of the heart muscle. Myocarditis can lead to damage of the heart muscle or cardiomyopathy. As a result, heart failure may occur.

- Cardiac arrhythmias. Cocaine can induce a variety of difficult-to-treat cardiac arrhythmias, including the potentially fatal arrhythmias called ventricular tachycardia and ventricular fibrillation.

- Stroke. Due to its effect on blood vessels, blood pressure, and blood clotting, stroke is up to seven times more likely in a cocaine user than a non-user.

Why cocaine use complicates the treatment of heart problems

In general, the treatment of cocaine-induced cardiovascular problems is similar to the treatment of those same cardiac problems when cocaine use is not a factor. However, cocaine use complicates therapy in a few important ways:

- Beta-blockers should not be used in patients taking cocaine. Beta-blockers are very important for the treatment of coronary artery disease, heart attacks, angina, and heart failure. However, in people who have taken cocaine, beta-blockers (which block beta-sympathetic effects of norepinephrine) “uncover” the alpha-sympathetic effects, leading to more constriction of the small arteries, and higher blood pressures. This fact takes a critical treatment tool out of the doctor’s hands when they are dealing with a heart attack.

- When treating what appears to be an acute heart attack, the use of clot-busting drugs — drugs that produce fibrinolysis — should generally not be employed in a cocaine-user without first doing a cardiac catheterization. This is because the ECG changes that typically indicate that an acute heart attack is occurring may be seen in cocaine users who are actually not having a heart attack.

- Doctors are reluctant to use stents to treat coronary artery disease in cocaine users because stent thrombosis (clotting off of the stent) is much higher in these people.

The bottom line is that, not only are the cardiovascular problems caused by cocaine especially dangerous, they are also especially difficult to treat, even by doctors who are very experienced in dealing with these problems.

 
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Still studying it myself (cardiac danger ~ cocaine vs meth). Here's a bit more information I found on this.

How cocaine affects the cardiovascular system

By Richard Fogoros, MD

There are few things emergency room doctors dread more than seeing a young cocaine user showing up with chest pain, or other symptoms suggestive of cardiovascular disease. Their dread is well-founded.

Cocaine use can produce a variety of potentially catastrophic cardiovascular problems, which may be entirely acute or may become chronic. Worse, these problems may occur even in people whose cocaine exposure is limited to occasional, recreational usage.

So the dread is understandable. What the ER doctor sees is a young, otherwise-healthy person who may be suffering from a cocaine-induced life-threatening or disability-producing cardiac condition. Worse, the doctor knows that even if a correct diagnosis is made rapidly and treatment is instituted right away, this young person’s long-term outcome is all too likely to remain poor, because of the widespread effects of cocaine on human physiology.

Cocaine and the cardiovascular system

Cocaine is a drug that inhibits the re-uptake of norepinephrine in neurons throughout the body. Norepinephrine is a powerful neurotransmitter within the sympathetic nervous system, and when its re-uptake is inhibited, the sympathetic nervous activity becomes greatly exaggerated and prolonged.

The exaggerated sympathetic nervous activity has profound effects on the cardiovascular system. It substantially increases the force of the heart muscle as it contracts, and at the same time, it raises the heart rate and the blood pressure. These factors all greatly increase the work of the heart, and therefore the demand of the heart for oxygen and nutrients.

But at the same time that it is causing the cardiovascular system to work so much harder, cocaine simultaneously limits the amount of work the heart can do without damaging itself. It does this by causing constriction of the capillaries, thus reducing the blood flow to the heart muscle. In addition, cocaine promotes blood clotting within blood vessels, which limits blood flow to vital organs — including the heart.

This is a very bad combination of physiological effects. While it creates a greatly increased cardiac need for oxygen, cocaine simultaneously restricts blood flow to the heart muscle, restricting the amount of oxygen that can be delivered. The cardiovascular system thus becomes extremely stressed.

What cardiovascular conditions are caused by cocaine use?

Several important cardiovascular conditions can result from this combination of effects caused by cocaine use.

- Heart attack. Heart attacks are a well-known complication of cocaine use, and can occur with any dose of cocaine, and even in first-time users. Most cocaine-induced heart attacks occur within one hour of using the drug, and they are particularly prevalent in younger people. In fact, cocaine use has been implicated in nearly 25% of heart attacks that occur in people under 45.

- Acute aortic dissection — a sudden tearing of the wall of the aorta — is an extremely painful and life-threatening condition. While there are many causes of aortic dissection, in young people cocaine use is a prevalent cause.3

- Coronary artery aneurysm. Coronary artery aneurysms, balloon-like dilations of coronary arteries, are fairly common in cocaine users, occurring in about 30% of chronic users.4 Coronary artery aneurysms are a cause of heart attack.

- Myocarditis and cardiomyopathy. Cocaine causes myocarditis or inflammation of the heart muscle. Myocarditis can lead to damage of the heart muscle or cardiomyopathy. As a result, heart failure may occur.

- Cardiac arrhythmias. Cocaine can induce a variety of difficult-to-treat cardiac arrhythmias, including the potentially fatal arrhythmias called ventricular tachycardia and ventricular fibrillation.

- Stroke. Due to its effect on blood vessels, blood pressure, and blood clotting, stroke is up to seven times more likely in a cocaine user than a non-user.

Why cocaine use complicates the treatment of heart problems

In general, the treatment of cocaine-induced cardiovascular problems is similar to the treatment of those same cardiac problems when cocaine use is not a factor. However, cocaine use complicates therapy in a few important ways:

- Beta-blockers should not be used in patients taking cocaine. Beta-blockers are very important for the treatment of coronary artery disease, heart attacks, angina, and heart failure. However, in people who have taken cocaine, beta-blockers (which block beta-sympathetic effects of norepinephrine) “uncover” the alpha-sympathetic effects, leading to more constriction of the small arteries, and higher blood pressures. This fact takes a critical treatment tool out of the doctor’s hands when they are dealing with a heart attack.

- When treating what appears to be an acute heart attack, the use of clot-busting drugs — drugs that produce fibrinolysis — should generally not be employed in a cocaine-user without first doing a cardiac catheterization. This is because the ECG changes that typically indicate that an acute heart attack is occurring may be seen in cocaine users who are actually not having a heart attack.

- Doctors are reluctant to use stents to treat coronary artery disease in cocaine users because stent thrombosis (clotting off of the stent) is much higher in these people.

The bottom line is that, not only are the cardiovascular problems caused by cocaine especially dangerous, they are also especially difficult to treat, even by doctors who are very experienced in dealing with these problems.


Thank you for this post :) Let me know if you find anything more about why amphetamines are far less cardiotoxic. I was surprised at how many people use amphetamines like meth on a regular basis and turn out to have okay heart health. I'm sure there's other complications and mental dangers but I would have thought that an ultrapowered stim like it would cause more problems in users than coke but obviously it doesn't.
 
Hello everyone,

I've been using crack for a few months. I stopped when I switched to C, but very stupidly I did a one gram rail. Big dizziness.

Since then I get tired easily, I sweat easily, the first cigarette in the morning (I've stopped) makes me dizzy, and the same goes for poppers (I've stopped too). If I eat too much, I get dizzy. Finally, I sometimes get palpitations.

I've made an appointment with the cardiologist to have an ultrasound. I'm terrified I've done irreversible damage to my heart.

I'm on Medikinet (a form of ritalin). I need it a lot but if the cardiologist tells me to stop, I'll stop.

I've read on the Internet that some heart conditions are reversible if you stop taking drugs.

Any testimonials?
 
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