Think that was taken a little too far off topic lol. My point is that the theory of all of these conversations is the same and yes, I’m implying your best friend could lie to you. I know guys who have been married for 20 years whose wives still don’t know they use PEDs. Nature of the beast at times since surveys have shown a lot of people would admit to hard drug use before PED use. The fact he is so straight edged furthers my point that you would never know if he had ever used drugs.
My point is that no matter what, no matter the situation. It is impossible for you or anyone else in existence to say with 100% certainty that you KNOW something about someone else because you are not them. Only that person knows. Period. Or I guess you could argue that person and God.
Compare it to quantum physics or any other scientific field maybe. It’s impossible to know a particles spin until it is observed and in this case you can’t observe someone else for 100% of their life.
Also case in point, $1000 doesn’t sound very sure. Would you be willing to bet your life or your families life? No matter how certain I was of anything - even the sun coming up tomorrow - I wouldn’t bet my child’s life on it if I had a child.
As far as competing, no I’m not suggesting someone hire a hit man to take out their opponents. My argument was implied to be limited to all choices an athlete can make that affect only themselves and no one else. Think of it as a libertarian view on athletes.
Drug free sport is an illusion our society creates in order to make people feel good but does not actually exist. Therefore, rules don’t apply when it’s common knowledge the majority are breaking them. It’s obviously fine if an athlete wants to compete drug free, they just need to know the majority is not and everyone at a high level knows that.
Ok dude, think of it more like the fact that it's pretty insulting to me that you would suggest that you genuinely believe that one of the best friends I've ever had in my life and my instructor is lying to me.
I'm smart enough to figure out that people can get away with lying, so honestly for you to just say ''yeah your instructor is probably lying'' is insulting, and the kind of thing which if i personally were in your position I'd keep to myself out of not wanting to start an argument...which, i do not consider this an argument at all, but i still find that mildly insulting.
This is a guy who has been there for me at times and who I admire greatly, and I know him and you don't, so I'd say I have a better idea of whether or not he's lying than you do.
I'd be a lot more than 1,000 dollars he hasn't used PEDs too.
It's not like he had a very a long career, only about 9 fights give or take and about 8 or 9 years, but he ALMOST reached the top of the sport and beat guys who were juicing.
What bothers me is that it is basically a form of cognitive dissonance where it is necessary for PED users in sports to believe that EVERY SINGLE athlete uses PEDs to justify the use.
I mean, if one is truly ok with breaking the rules then it shouldn't matter to them that it is possible that they might be beating a clean athlete, so I think that on some level it actually does bother SOME PED users to know that they are gaining an unfair advantage or else they wouldn't even suggest that there's no way any athlete could be clean.
If you are talking probabilities then it is virtually impossible that there are no MMA fighters in the entire world who have not used PEDs.
And you're comments about ''activities that effect only themselves and no one else'' doesn't really make sense because it DOES effect the other person if you are on PEDs and they are clean, especially cause MMA is a dangerous sport, so by making the playing field more uneven you make it more dangerous for your opponent.
This is why it is so unfair that transgender athletes like Fallon Fox, who was born a man, is now really hurting REAL women in MMA.
HE has the bone structure and muscularity of a man and is unfairly benefiting from it.
It then also doesn't seem to make sense to me why one couldn't be ok with greasing themselves up so their opponent can't grab them, which some fighters do even though its' against the rules, or taking pain killers so they can't feel pain and don't need to tap when a submission is applied, or get away with doing things like grabbing the fence which is illegal, or kneeing a downed opponent which is illegal, or grabbing the opponents' shorts which is illegal etc.
Once you say that you are willing to break one rule you pretty much are saying you are willing to break all sorts of others and the only place you draw the line is based on your own morals and how far you are willing to take it and whether or not you can get caught, and very few people are psychopathic enough to take that to its' logical conclusion.
Point in case; in the UFC and other orgs you had Rousimar Palhares who STYLISTICALLY was awesome, but the guy would NEVER let go of submissions even when the opponent tapped out and so he got banned.
His reason he said that he wouldn't let go is because the rule was supposedly ''don't let go till the ref puts his hands on you'', but he took it WAY too far and would do his best to break his opponent's legs as quickly as possible so usually the ref wouldn't get there in time and the damage would be done.
NOT COOL.
Jon Jones knows that poking the eyes is illegal, so he'll stick his long arms out with outstretched fingers, cause he has greater reach than anyone, and wait for opponents to ''eye gouge themselves'' when they come in, and gets called on it, but often gets away with it. Again, not cool.
Also, it's me who would, IF i ever had the ability and didn't get re-injured, compete in amateur mma where it's not against the rules to use PEDs, whereas my instructor fought in PRO mma.
He's actually said to me
''yeah, steroids are the only drug i have ever actually considered taking'', and usually people who want to lie don't even make such statements about having thought about it but resisted because they don't want to put that thought in anyone else's head.
But i mean, logically i think you could realize that i already knew i had no way of 100 percent knowing whether or not my coach has used PEDs.
I mean come on, I can't be 100 percent sure I'm not dreaming right now lol, and i think you knew what i meant when i said it.
I get your point though about the different laws that we don't all follow and theirs lots of laws i don't agree with.
i think all drugs should be legal WHEN NOT PERFORMING SPORTS, and it's SUPER morally wrong that we can't use any drug we want, and i will ignore those laws as long as i can get away with them, but i would probably feel bad using a PED in a PRO sport against someone who isn't on one...if i could be sure.
That's why I said i wish that there was a PED league and a non-PED league, something my instructor also agrees with, but that will never happen, and even if it did i bet there would be people doping and sneaking in to the non-PED league while using them LOL.
On topic, I have mild asthma and recently in the UFC Greg Hardy got his fight overturned because he USED AN INHALER while sitting on his stool!!
i was personally REALLY pissed and offended, because
1-i don't THINK that inhalers give actual asthmatics an advantage over non-asthmatics
2-I'm not even sure if a non-asthmatic used an inhaler it would give an advantage
3--They have this rule that you can use an inhaler OUTSIDE the cage but not inside, which makes no sense to me.
Then i had to hear idiots online saying things like ''well maybe if you have asthma you just shouldn't do MMA'', which pissed me off.
So, yeah...I mean,
i just see sports and games as being separate from the rest of life; they are little boxes--outside of the normal world of reality IMO where people put certain rules in place and say ''we are going to follow these rules and compete'', and if enough of those rules are not regularly followed then the entire sport breaks down completely and may as well not exist in the first place.
Wars don't have those rules, and people aren't drug tested before taking exams where Adderall can be taken, as per your examples, but i just see sports as different.
That being said....i actually can't deny that if I was a young guy and a pro mma fighter, which i'm obviously not, and the allure got to me and i thought i could get away with using steroids and peds and be able to still be physically healthy that i wouldn't do it, and to be honest i think that i probably would and would probably use the same justification that everyone else uses.
It must be incredibly mentally addictive to be able to take PEDs and work out and see these massive gains.
I myself am having a very hard time with the fact that I'm turning 40 and i'm sore a lot longer from working out than i have been in the past, and most likely if I come to believe that TRT is actually SAFE for me, affordable, and that i would not lose access at any point, then i would probably want to take it, and will keep considering it.
But anyway, I have strong doubts i could ever even do amateur mma at all, and it's not even illegal there anyway, and if TRT could SAFELY enhance my life, it's still something i'd consider, but safety and continued access would be what i'd be concerned with.