Opioids Why am I so scared to try suboxone?

[OEandricearoni]

Like others have already said suboxone isnt really appropriate for you. Honestly your best course of action would be to do an inpatient detox, or outpatient whatever your comfortable with. You could detox at home it would take less than a week. If you started taking suboxone that would be a bigger problem to get off than the norcos. Sub WD may not be as intense as the WD you experience now (honestly probably isnt that much better tho) but it has fuckin staying power. Ive successfully detoxed from suboxone 1 time. Ive attempted to countless times. The withdrawals last a long time. iME anywhere from 2-6 weeks. Thats right youd be sick for a month instead of 5 days. Trust me you dont want that. I totally regret not just doing cold turkey when i quit heroin because suboxone withdrawal sucks so bad. It isnt the intensity but the duration.

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Not to sound like an asshole, cuz this goes out to so many people who bitch about Sub/Methadone W/d...did ya do any research and know the w/d last waaay longer than opiates with a short half life?? It just irks me so much when people make all these youtube vids on how Sub/Methadone are the devil. Yes, the w/d sucks, BUT can be easily tapered down to a low dose then jump off with each of these meds(not saying it's a walk in the car park). But I mean really... people who go on Subs/Done aren't exactly known for our self control, so it's like they had something that helped them, then when it comes time to kick it's the most evil thing ever...just saying. And as stated multiple times many people have said for the orignial poster not to go over 2mg, not a whopping dose of 16-32mg of Sub everyday....

Edit: And orignial poster if you do decide go with subs and the Doc gives you 16mg, don't turn them down if you have insurance...cut em into quarter pieces. And also, besides Subs, have you thought about Kratom for getting off the Hydro's? The w/d's from that only lasted like 2 days when I took it....

 

[stayZOOTY]

I think the problem is doctors don't tell them this when they script it. The majority of people I've met don't do their own research, they take their doctors word for it. You'd think a doctor should know to inform them about things like that, but I know people who weren't even told Suboxone was an opioid and couldn't be abruptly discontinued by their doctors until after they're dependent on it and trying to quit.

 

[The Doc.]

Like others have already said suboxone isnt really appropriate for you. Honestly your best course of action would be to do an inpatient detox, or outpatient whatever your comfortable with. You could detox at home it would take less than a week. If you started taking suboxone that would be a bigger problem to get off than the norcos. Sub WD may not be as intense as the WD you experience now (honestly probably isnt that much better tho) but it has fuckin staying power. Ive successfully detoxed from suboxone 1 time. Ive attempted to countless times. The withdrawals last a long time. iME anywhere from 2-6 weeks. Thats right youd be sick for a month instead of 5 days. Trust me you dont want that. I totally regret not just doing cold turkey when i quit heroin because suboxone withdrawal sucks so bad. It isnt the intensity but the duration.

If it's used properly and tapered off in a week it can turn a brutal detox into a detox where you don't even feel the physical need to medicate. That's how they do it in detox here they start you off at a high enough dose of Suboxone then taper you off in a week after the next couple weeks are pretty much painless with some sleep disturbances but for the most part nothing compared to cold turkeying a hydrocodone habit.

The hard part is staying off the drugs but every detox used with Suboxone was 1000× better than cold turkey as long as I tapered off in a week. There are ways to use this drug responsibly you know?

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Ya, that's true too, but I mean it says in the pamplet it's an opiod and to dicontinue use can cause unconfortable w/d symtoms if discontiued abrubtly...and even the other pamplet they hand out that goes into explaining that Physical dependance is not the same as addiction or whatever(maybe not everyone got one of those, but it's that lil' book/pamplet from Reckit Beckinsir that tells you about support groups and all that jazz....anyway. If you don't want to get on the Subs, I HIGHLY suggest looking into kratom, nasty as hell to get down, but keeps the w/d away and gives you energy, I'd say equal to about 20mg of Hydrocodone,IMO. Only thing is the short half life, so you would have to dose a few times a day. But the W/D's from it are very very short. Buut depending on what state you live in you might not be able to, because I think 2 dumbass states made it illegeal... Get it offline, not from a gas station, the ones at gas stations and headshops are a COMPLETE RIPOFF, and part of the reason it probly got made illegal in those states... I even went to the place in my town and kindly asked them to take down the sign for UPHORIA under it saying natural pain and anxiety relief...it's still there though

 

[stayZOOTY]

I know the pamphlets you're talking about, my first Suboxone doctor did give me them and a full hour or so consultation on my first visit. The first day at the place I go to now basically gave me a rapid drug test and asked if I was withdrawing and with positive test and some external symptoms I was put on 16mg/day (which I quickly dropped to 1-2mg/day) within about 30 minutes of walking in. No real explanation of anything other than it'll stop my withdrawals and then the famous "naloxone in the Suboxone will keep me from getting high on other drugs" speech lol

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Ya, I can't really remember if my Sub doc told me about w/d and stuff now honestly... I just went in told her how much I took(anywhere from 60mg to 200mg of hydrocodone/oxycodone and occasionlly Dillies and Morphine, and 144mg of Loperamide if I was broke/desperate and had no other options(she looked shocked when I told her about the Loperamide and told her I was able to poop every other day while doing this.) The doctor went ahead and put me on 16mg since I said it had been two days since i had taken anything, and looked sick when I came in, though I find it odd they didn't do the thing where they start you off on 2mg, then raise it every hour...) Shoulda done what you did but and just dropped my dose, but stayed on about 12-16mg the first month or 2, honestly was buzzed that first month and got GREAT sleep. When I say buzzed I don't mean high though, more of I could tell I was on an opiate, was always kinda tired, which was kinda nice since I've always had problems sleeping, then I woke up one day and all that litterally dissapeard overnight..the first couple of days on the Subs people at work kept on asking me if I was okay because I looked really tired, meaning I started off on way to high of a dose..even now I can be okay on 4mg a day.

 

[96chanz]

Get on that sub or a different opiate. I was diagnosed with fatty liver disease 2 months ago due to using 10/325 norcos daily for 4 years. I'm only 18 and have to deal with this liver pain over stupid pills. and what did i do? switch to vicoprofen (hydrocodone/ibu) my addiction hasn't stopped yet. but I do disagree with the people saying not to take sub for hydro withdrawals. Hydrocodone withdrawals are HORRIBLE . at least for me. after a day without my hydro or sometimes oxy. i feel like im dying and am in full W/D within 2 days. I always stock up on suboxone 8 mg and take a half of a strip or a quarter every other day to ride me to my next script. Not the best life style at 18 and being in college for a phamarcy technician but it's a tough addiction to beat. and it's really hard to. I feel for you. i know what you're going through. I'm just surprised your liver hasn't failed already. when I took 10 norcos on New years I puked my guts out and went to the hospital and had moderate liver damage (didn't have fatty liver yet) you are so lucky that you don't have liver problems. u might and just not know it. my advice, get off the norcos and take subs or find an addiction specialists. that tylenol will put u in your grave.

 

[The Doc.]

I think the problem is doctors don't tell them this when they script it. The majority of people I've met don't do their own research, they take their doctors word for it. You'd think a doctor should know to inform them about things like that, but I know people who weren't even told Suboxone was an opioid and couldn't be abruptly discontinued by their doctors until after they're dependent on it and trying to quit.

I do know where your coming from it amazes me how little my Suboxone doctor really knows about this drug. Mine at least knows it an opioid and all the basics but I have heard from plenty of people on here from the US especially saying they are prescribed Suboxone yet they didn't think they had an opiate they figured it was just an opiate blocker and eased withdrawal symptoms. But I believe with the proper info and if used properly Suboxone can be a godsend for people wanting to detox or maintain on the drug. I don't think its Suboxone's fault that their are so many ignorant doctors prescribing it and I think that's a while nother issue that the US government needs to fix by putting more restrictions on buprenorphine.

Here in Canada its treated no different than methadone is and only given out by doctors in methadone clinics. Eventually you can get a weeks worth of pills at a time but you start off going to the pharmacy and taking it in front of a pharmacist daily. The US thought there was no abuse potential with this drug but that's stupid they took one of the most abused medications in the world and started giving it willy nilly to heroin addicts. Oh here's a months worth of narcotics to give to a heroin addict fresh out of addiction, he wouldn't dare sell these for heroin or try to shoot them up. Fucking idiots I tell you now Suboxone has a bad name in the states and its all the governments fault(yes and the heroin addicts but they don't know better). Doctors should have to have more training in order to even prescribe the drug and shouldn't be giving out a months worth of this drug to people especially not heroin addicts fresh out of addiction.

I was actually watching this cop show with my mom the other day based out of Kentucky and they found a Suboxone wrapper on a criminal and the narrator started saying how Suboxone is the biggest drug epidemic to hit them since Meth blah blah blah. They said the cure is worse than the disease just like methadone and people everywhere are getting hooked on this evil drug. I was laughing so hard cause this guy had Meth on him was drunk all bugged eyed flipping his shit yet the Suboxone wrapper was the only drug they focused on. My mom said why doesn't the drug do this to you and I said because I don't do Meth and drink with the stuff lol they just made it out to be this horrible drug when its the governments fault for letting doctors hand it out to everybody.

 

[Stotched]

How about this OP?

Tell your doctor you're abusing your pain medication. He'll blacklist you. Next time you withdraw will be your last.

If you have no self control taking hydros, what makes you think you'd have self control taking subs? I know so many people who chase a non-existant high while fucking up their tolerance after they get subs. One of my best friends takes 64mg a day trying to chase something thats not there, and always runs out by the end of the month, and has hellish withdrawals. I will continue arguing with everyone in here that a 40-60mg per day norco habit, does not need suboxone. It needs a week off work, etizolam or phenibut, potassium, magnesium, and pretty much any other comfort drug that isn't an opiate.

And no, I'm not dick sizing when I say that I needed to do a bundle a day to get well... That's just telling this kid whats going to happen to his tolerance if he gets on subs. He definitely has self control issues, just have his doctor blacklist him, and withdraw one last time. If I could go back in time thats definitely what I would have done.

 

[The Doc.]

I think we scared the OP off haha

 

[The Doc.]

How about this OP?

Tell your doctor you're abusing your pain medication. He'll blacklist you. Next time you withdraw will be your last.

If you have no self control taking hydros, what makes you think you'd have self control taking subs? I know so many people who chase a non-existant high while fucking up their tolerance after they get subs. One of my best friends takes 64mg a day trying to chase something thats not there, and always runs out by the end of the month, and has hellish withdrawals. I will continue arguing with everyone in here that a 40-60mg per day norco habit, does not need suboxone. It needs a week off work, etizolam or phenibut, potassium, magnesium, and pretty much any other comfort drug that isn't an opiate.

And no, I'm not dick sizing when I say that I needed to do a bundle a day to get well... That's just telling this kid whats going to happen to his tolerance if he gets on subs. He definitely has self control issues, just have his doctor blacklist him, and withdraw one last time. If I could go back in time thats definitely what I would have done.

How come you start off by saying your taking 32 mgs a day and the US taxpayers pay for it then you go on to say your cold turkeying a hash,benzo, heroin and whatever else you threw in there habit? And you have a friend doing 64 mgs a day? Have you thought about telling him he could get higher by taking 2mgs? Haha 64mgs that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard the guy must be plugged up tighter than a cats ass a mouse can't get in or out of lol This drug can be used responsibly if the person uses their head for a second and comes up with a taper plan and realises adding higher doses doesn't do anything more to them in the way of getting high. I was able to see pretty quickly 8mgs feels the same as 16mgs (adding more doesn't get me high) and that I feel best taking 1-2mgs a day at most. Now instead of selling drugs and risking my life doing IV heroin I take 1mg of Suboxone which to me is a whole lot better than I was previously.

I couldn't control my opiate use for any drug I was prescribed or bought off the street I did it all to the extremely 24/7. From 14 years old I did every drug I could get my hands on Now with Suboxone I take LESS than I get prescribed I get 4mgs a day and only take 1-2mgs at most!

I never imagined having a drawer full of an opiate medication that I am not gobbling down like candy Suboxone is a drug that's easier to control than heroin. With a ceiling point of around 6 mgs how can it not be easier to control than other drugs where the more you take the higher you get. Plus sub's don't raise your tolerance if you stick with the same dose. I know guys in prison who have taken 1mg of IV bupe every day for the last decade and have never had to raise their dose.

I don't think it matters how big your habit is cold turkeying a 100mg a day hydrocodone habit is very uncomfortable I can say this even being an ex heroin addict who did an 8ball a day.

But its up to him now no more sense arguing over it he sees the pros and cons let him decide.

 

[Stotched]

Like you said, it's uncomfortable, but laughable compared to dope or 500-600mg oxy. And that's why I said he's chasing a "nonexistant" high.

I've read your other posts, and I know you plan to be a lifer. I've been on opiates a lot longer than you, and am a lot older than you. Eventually you'll see that you don't wanna be on them all the time. They cause brain fog, and just make me feel idiotic. Yeah, I'm not sitting in a cell for stickin up people anymore, but if I could go back in time, I'd rather just get off when I was on low dose oxy. I'm actually a manager at my store now, making very good salaried money, but I feel I could do better, and physically and mentally opiates have taken their toll.

Do you have a job? Are you making at least 100k a year? My parents were millionaires by age 24, each starting their own business. I was raised in a good environment, and was in the paper multiple times growing up for winning science awards dealing with particle theory, and being a "prodigy" at piano at age 13. I've seen what life can be without opiates, and I fully believe I'd be making a million a year now, if not for the opiates. Now I'm stuck making 50k, which is pretty bullshit in my opinion.

You may have grown up in a shitty household. I don't know your life story. I do know that if I would have jumped off the oxy back when I was just a few months deep, I'd have gone a lot further than a salaried store manager.

 

[etnuser]

I agree with phatass...I would definitely not recommend Methadone, you don't need that. Suboxone will allow you to get leveled out and stable. It will allow you time to get your life in order, it will make your desire to use go away. If you choose suboxone, start on a low dose , like 1mg or less daily and see if you can maintain. .just be honest with yourself, don't take more suboxone than you need. Take only enough to keep you ok and keep you from obsessing over pills. If you've never been on suboxone you will be surprised at how well it works in making you not want to chase drugs. If you can do it without buprenorphine then that's better. Buprenorphine will help but you need have a plan to get off it asap...I wish you well.

 

[VitamaN]

sounds a little like "new drug" anxiety to me. The fear of the unknown is totally natural and common.

 

[The Doc.]

Like you said, it's uncomfortable, but laughable compared to dope or 500-600mg oxy. And that's why I said he's chasing a "nonexistant" high.

I've read your other posts, and I know you plan to be a lifer. I've been on opiates a lot longer than you, and am a lot older than you. Eventually you'll see that you don't wanna be on them all the time. They cause brain fog, and just make me feel idiotic. Yeah, I'm not sitting in a cell for stickin up people anymore, but if I could go back in time, I'd rather just get off when I was on low dose oxy. I'm actually a manager at my store now, making very good salaried money, but I feel I could do better, and physically and mentally opiates have taken their toll.

Do you have a job? Are you making at least 100k a year? My parents were millionaires by age 24, each starting their own business. I was raised in a good environment, and was in the paper multiple times growing up for winning science awards dealing with particle theory, and being a "prodigy" at piano at age 13. I've seen what life can be without opiates, and I fully believe I'd be making a million a year now, if not for the opiates. Now I'm stuck making 50k, which is pretty bullshit in my opinion.

You may have grown up in a shitty household. I don't know your life story. I do know that if I would have jumped off the oxy back when I was just a few months deep, I'd have gone a lot further than a salaried store manager.

What does how much I make a year have to do with anything? I do make good money thank you. I have had the same job since 14 and always busted my ass i was even on the honour roll at school and graduated while working full time. I've had to support my sick crazy mother for as long as I can remember after my dad fucked us over and left us homeless. Ive got a herniated disc from working in forestry all these years Now im going to school studying biology and hope one day to work in the medical field. We all say we have had a shitty life or childhood whatever but in the end its our fault for being addicted to drugs we chose this life now we have to play these cards. Try coming down from 32mgs of Suboxone and you'll see that fog go away. The amount of time you have spent on opiates is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

And I do have big plans for my life besides opiates thank you very much. You don't know me I have never once said I want to be addicted to drugs for life. You said yourself you were on 32 mgs Suboxone why not get off that yourself spend a few years clean then come on here and pass some judgement on me for being on an opiate.

 

[JackiePeyton]

The point to addiction is that we've all made mistakes and regrets with it. Let's share how our experiences related to bupe instead of dick measuring.

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Stoctched...i thought you were had it tough and grew up in the ghetto...now your parents are millonairs and you were a childhood prodigy?! Wtf. I'm beginning to think your just trolling this thread because your bored and keep on mentioning how ya had such a bigger habbit (yippidy dooo da) and that anyone who has less of a half a gram oxy or a couple bundles a day of heroin habbit then maintaince medictions are not for them and they are just being pussies, which is fucking ludicrous. I'm done in this thread,lol. I hope the OP gets the help they need, whatever it may be..but if I was her I sure as hell wouldn't be coming back here in this thread for advice after all the bullshit bickering you have caused in it...

 

[Stotched]

Stoctched...i thought you were had it tough and grew up in the ghetto...now your parents are millonairs and you were a childhood prodigy?! Wtf. I'm beginning to think your just trolling this thread because your bored and keep on mentioning how ya had such a bigger habbit (yippidy dooo da) and that anyone who has less of a half a gram oxy or a couple bundles a day of heroin habbit then maintaince medictions are not for them and they are just being pussies, which is fucking ludicrous. I'm done in this thread,lol. I hope the OP gets the help they need, whatever it may be..but if I was her I sure as hell wouldn't be coming back here in this thread for advice after all the bullshit bickering you have caused in it...

Yeah, my parents are well off, and yeah they kicked me out when I started doing oxy when I was 14. I bought a stolen gun, and started sticking people up around the time i was 18. I've spent a combined 4 years in jail, and 3 years institutionalized due to my drug use. I was on methadone back in the 90s, and actually was a tester for the suboxone strip at Johns Hopkins in Maryland before they were widely ln the market.

I'm not trolling this thread, I'm just not 18 years old like you, I'm in my late 30s. You realize a lot can go wrong in a lifetime right?

I regret ever getting on done in the first place, I regret ever getting into oxy, and I hate myself for not being able to get off subs now. I don't recommend suboxone or done to anyone who isn't a hardcore junkie. It's not dick waving, it's just something that'll save a persons life. I see people at the clinic with 20mg oxy habits get put on 16mg a day, because the doctor wants his paycheck, and an addict will keep coming back. He knows people aren't gonna jump off 16mg a day, but could easily taper if they were given a single script of 5, 1mg, and told to taper.

I just don't understand why everyone is so insistant this guy get on suboxone. Would you tell someone with a kratom habit to get on suboxone? Would you tell someone with a loperamide habit to get on suboxone? Suboxone isn't gonna be taken likely, and its easy to turn into a lifer. Trainspotter wants to be a lifer, theres nothing wrong with that if thats what he wants to do. I just dont like the fact that I've been using opiates daily for 25 years. I still feel like a junkie on subs, and it would be just 2 weeks of sickness and I could be off forever. And trust me I've tried, it's impossible.

So many people see it as dickwaving when its much simpler than that. If you aren't banging 600mg or more of any opiate a day, you should not be using subs. What the OP needs is to buy some kratom or loperamide, and taper off over a week. You have to pay the piper sometime, every high has its low. There is no painless withdrawal . People need to understand that.

 

[Screaming_Skull]

What a shitty thing for your parents to do. Agree to disagree on the whole sub thing(agree about a 20mg a day thing,that habbit is more affordable than a script of subs...) I plan to be a lifer to 26 though, not 18.... And nothing is impossible, go on a taper plan and get off of it if its making you feel so bad about being on it, nothing is impossible.