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Russians are crazy lol. I remember watching something on a Russian prison and one of the inmates had gotten into a fight with his neighbor and killed him, then turned him into sausage and gave some of the sausage to his other neighbors.

Oh God I laughed so hard when I read this, it sounds just like how I picture a Russian jail tbh.
You got any more info on this case?
 
The erm "nice" group now called Aleph & before their attack went under the name Aum Shinrikyo. their leader was killed a few months ago in Japan for a gas attack upon the Japanese subway & to now be a member of their group is illegal the world over, they have sub-groups in Russia, Europe & to be honest the world over still. Someone I know online has alot of their works he paid alot of money for before they were burned in Japan just after their Sarin attack. Though Aum did some bad stuff & had some weird ideas like it is healthy to eat china plates I for one liked some of their ideas & learned quite alot from their teachings.
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Lolllllll what the fuck is murder porn a real thing?
it is, but you can put the lotion away because it's not that type of porn.

They mean murder shows and documentaries about murder. Like how people call baking and cooking shows "food porn".

I know, I was disappointed too.
 
They mean murder shows and documentaries about murder. Like how people call baking and cooking shows "food porn".

I know, I was disappointed too.
Yeah disappointed indeed....
But only in your lack of imaginative resourcing!!!!! Where's your will to live?
Thanks for the inspiration that ive found in your lifeless effort to fulfill MURDER PORN (sounds metal)
TN will be trancsending.. as fuck. Assfuck? Ahhhhh ?

It is, but you can put the lotion away because it's not that type of porn.
Jokes on you I never put the lotion away. My legs are ALWAYS soft ?
 
Belangalo is incredibly fascinating to me. There are so many things about that whole thing which hit a lot of fear buttons for me. Traveling alone, or with other women. Traveling poor. The automatic trust I give to immigrants over the native population. It was all very intense and visceral for me. And the familial aspect was also interesting -- what would I do for my sisters? Would I help them hide? Help them hide what? It was a five part series and I have revisited multiple times.
 
I'm a True Crime addict and i find lots of different serial killers fascinating for different reasons, and then some of the serial killers that people find the most interesting I don't find to be nearly so intriguing.

One who I knew only a little bit about before but who started really fascinating me yesterday when I binge watched several documentaries about him is the incredibly evil serial killer Israel Keyes who killed himself in prison back in 2012.

I mean, talk about an evil genius (and he doesn't deserve anything nice said about him, but I bet his IQ was VERY high) who really put more work into committing "the perfect murder(s)" than almost anyone else.

He was in the army for several years, and obviously used his training to kill.

Here was his M.O. for those of you who don't know about him: He would kill completely random people with no particular victim type who lived hundreds if not THOUSANDS of miles away from him and with zero connection to him.

He would generally start by flying out to various states looking for a good location to kill someone and plant a weapon's cache (he lived in Alaska most of his life). The dude would use his military training to bury containers of weapons, guns, duct tape, crowbars, drano, zip ties, rope and everything he needed to kill, and conceal bodies in locations out in the wilderness only he knew about and grease his guns so that they'd still be in working order when he dug them up sometimes YEARS later.

He didn't care about WHO he killed only WHERE, and looked for generally country-areas with spaced out houses and wilderness, preferably near VERY deep rivers and lakes where he could dump bodies, and these are where he'd first plant weapons' caches, of which he had 12 of in total all around the united states.

Once he he was ready he'd take a plane from Alasaka to some other state like Chicago for example, then rent a car and drive sometimes HUNDREDS of miles to another state like Vermont in one case for example, then go dig up a weapons' cache he'd buried like 2 years earlier.

This way, he would not need to bring weapons on the plane or even drive with them. He paid for everything with cash so there was no trace. He took the battery out of his cell phone so no one could ping him. He would rob banks and get away with it and keep the cash on hand.

Once digging up his weapons' cache he would look for either a jogger or hiker alone in the wilderness, or a house that didn't have too many houses immediately nearby, usually with no dogs or kids to complicate things and a built in garage he could break in through.

He'd wait in the woods at night till everyone was asleep, quickly break into the house and kidnap who he wanted to kill and get them in his car. His M.O. was generally never to kill the people in their home or in any place he OR his victims could be tied to.

He'd take them somewhere out in the wilderness, kill them, then either bury them deep in the woods or very often take boats out into extremely deep lakes that he had researched ahead of time as being near his weapons' caches, and dump the bodies at the deepest spot.

He'd then get in his rental car and drive hundreds of miles to an airport and hop a plane and fly hundreds or thousands of miles back to Alaska and be home before anyone even filed a missing person's report, let alone a murder.

Most of his victims are still unknown and the only ones that are known are because he told the police where to find them. He basically said that his victims would never be registered as murders but just missing people and that was always the case.

As one detective said, he was different from so many other killers in his ability to "delay gratification". I mean, most killers just stalk and attack at least SOMEWHERE SOMEWHAT close to where they live or what they know and when they feel the urge they just go for the kill but Keyes didn't do that until he finally fucked up with his last victim.

That was how he was finally caught: eventually his urge to kill overcame him and he got sloppy and killed someone near where he lived in Anchorage and though they couldn't find the body he told them where she was but then after that the only reason they were able to get him to admit to 2 more murders was because he wanted the death penalty for himself within a year and they made him believe they could guarantee that for him...which they ulimately couldn't and he killed himself in prison with only a fourth victim we probably know about but at least 7 more we don't.

He didn't just kill and rape either, he was a necrophiliac, bank robber, burgler, and arsonist, and he did all of it while having a second life as a carpenter with a wife and kid and no one suspected ANYTHING.

One guy doing the documentary said "he was more like Genghis Khan than a serial killer, just going wherever he could to do whatever damage he could, whether it was raping or killing, burning down houses, bank robberies, just mayhem".

His suicide note is fucking creepy as fuck too and it's online and is basically a poem that is an "Ode to Murder."

I can't think of many other serial killers I've heard of that put that much preparation into their killing and only maybe someone like the Zodiac Killer comes to mind, and even he didn't put nearly so much prep. into it because the cops at least knew his victims were murder victims just not WHO killed them, but with Keyes most of the people he killed that we STILL don't know about are just amongst the THOUSANDS of missing persons cases in all of the United States, without ever being found, without us knowing they were murdered at all, let alone by whom.

I mean, how are you going to catch someone who is willing to take planes THOUSANDS of miles from his home, rent a car and drive hundreds of miles from the airport to a remote location where he stashed weapons who then kills completely random victims and hops back on a plane to where he lives and hides the bodies in lakes that are hundreds of feet deep???

I wonder if there are more out their like him with that much patience and preparation...

They are STILL trying to find his other victims.
 
Interesting.

There's playing god, power, control, lust, basic needs like food (necrophilia), mere curiosity and adrenaline, and then there is revenge. For those who kill out of revenge, i pity them, for it is probably the most emotionally driven reason of them all. For people like Keyes, it seems more like a sport, and a way to intensify and alleviate the plain old every day life.

Some people were turned to kill, and some were made to kill (well, made with the ability to do so without feelings of guilt and remorse). While there is never a correct reason to kill another human being, i do feel bad for those who spend life in jail for doing something out of their nature, like for revenge. I do not feel bad for those who do it for sport. They know exactly what their doing - they're calculated.
 
Zodiacs an interesting one. Particularly because we still don't really know who he is. And because of the cryptograms he sent to the press, ratcheting up fear among the public. Claiming that the cryptograms contained his identity (almost certainly a lie since one was broken quickly and was little more than a rambling misspelled message).

The other cryptograms have never been deciphered. Although people still try. In spite of the fact they're probably unsolvable. Not because they're so well designed of course, they're simply not long enough to solve without the key. Plus it's highly likely based on the first one that he made a mistake somewhere enciphering it anyway.

Not to mention that the guy is almost certainly dead by now.

Still, interesting and messed up case.
 
The JFK and Olof Palme assassinations have always intrigued me because I don't get the impression that even now all the information is out there or known to the authorities.

I figured that apartheid-era South Africa's Civil Co-Operation Bureau (the folks who iced Mozambique President Samora Machel) or the foreign intelligence services thereof may have done in Palme but there was not a peep about it in the Truth & Reconciliation Commission testimony, in which all sorts of gnarly stuff like what Dr Wouter Basson was up to came out. I also hear that it was a random ketobemidone addict in Stockholm with an axe to grind with the government, but I have seen no evidence of that.

So with JFK, on top of the more well-known theories, there are also the assisted suicide, Secret Service/Dallas PD accident, Jackie O revolver & switchblade knife theories and others. What makes most sense to me is that Oswald was shooting at Governor Connally and may very well have had additional shooters and/or spotters with him, but that does not mean what is a conspiracy in the strict definition went any higher than that -- they could have been buddies of his or even people not at all involved with Oswald who co-incidently were there to shoot at JFK. Nearly as I can tell the audio evidence points to three shooters.

A very shocking and very cold case is the Villisca, Iowa axe murders of 10. June 1912, and the possibility that the victims and perpetrators are still trapped in the building today.
 
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Zodiacs an interesting one. Particularly because we still don't really know who he is. And because of the cryptograms he sent to the press, ratcheting up fear among the public. Claiming that the cryptograms contained his identity (almost certainly a lie since one was broken quickly and was little more than a rambling misspelled message).

The other cryptograms have never been deciphered. Although people still try. In spite of the fact they're probably unsolvable. Not because they're so well designed of course, they're simply not long enough to solve without the key. Plus it's highly likely based on the first one that he made a mistake somewhere enciphering it anyway.

Not to mention that the guy is almost certainly dead by now.

Still, interesting and messed up case.

Well, they did find the Golden State Killer through geneological DNA so it's possible we could still find out who the Zodiac Killer was, even if he's not alive anymore, but chances are he's dead as I think the Golden State killer is around 71 and Zodiac committed his crimes about 10 years older, so IF they were around the same age (though they might not have been) that could put him in his early 80s....at the very least he'd be very old.

I find him fascinating also. Another is the Black Dahila Murderer, but I think they know who he was.

There was an old documentary about cop...forget his first name but his last name was "Hodell"...I think either he or his father's named might have been "George", well this cop is CONVINCED his father was the Black Dahlia murderer and makes a very convincing case.

His father as also a surgeon who could have bi-sected corpses like the BDM did.

Then there was H.H. Holmes the 1st American serial killer, and I don't know if anyone else has seen it...but did anyone else see that documentary series that I think might have been called "American Killer" (not sure if that was it) where one of H.H. Holmes' descendents, like his great great grandson, is trying to prove that H.H. Holmes and Jack the Ripper are one and the same??

Interesting show. I need to look it up and see if there will be a 2nd series but my guess is there won't be as it was hard for him to gain evidence to try to prove his theory and I don't see how the show could likely end definitively with him being able to prove or disprove that Holmes and the Ripper were or weren't the same person.

There did seem to be some compelling evidence that they COULD have been the same person though, but far from any kind of solid proof.
 
Well, they did find the Golden State Killer through geneological DNA so it's possible we could still find out who the Zodiac Killer was, even if he's not alive anymore, but chances are he's dead as I think the Golden State killer is around 71 and Zodiac committed his crimes about 10 years older, so IF they were around the same age (though they might not have been) that could put him in his early 80s....at the very least he'd be very old.

I find him fascinating also. Another is the Black Dahila Murderer, but I think they know who he was.

There was an old documentary about cop...forget his first name but his last name was "Hodell"...I think either he or his father's named might have been "George", well this cop is CONVINCED his father was the Black Dahlia murderer and makes a very convincing case.

His father as also a surgeon who could have bi-sected corpses like the BDM did.

Then there was H.H. Holmes the 1st American serial killer, and I don't know if anyone else has seen it...but did anyone else see that documentary series that I think might have been called "American Killer" (not sure if that was it) where one of H.H. Holmes' descendents, like his great great grandson, is trying to prove that H.H. Holmes and Jack the Ripper are one and the same??

Interesting show. I need to look it up and see if there will be a 2nd series but my guess is there won't be as it was hard for him to gain evidence to try to prove his theory and I don't see how the show could likely end definitively with him being able to prove or disprove that Holmes and the Ripper were or weren't the same person.

There did seem to be some compelling evidence that they COULD have been the same person though, but far from any kind of solid proof.

There was, I think I recall, a Zodiac letter which at the bottom had two or three lines of what appeared to be just random characters . . . what is the prevailing theory on that one, if there is one?

O yes, H H Holmes and the Jack The Ripper theory, but then again some say that Arthur Conan Doyle was Jack the Ripper too . . . Holmes was the one when he was executed this massive thunderbolt hit the top of the prison.

When one wonders if kids these days and people of all ages are making everything more depraved and things are worse than ever, the Holmes and Jack The Ripper cases provide a lot of food for thought . . . even Jeffery Dahmer in the 1990s wasn't totally original in what he did, and people have been shooting people from book depository and hotel windows, cutting off heads, gassing people, sticking them in iron maidens, molesting little kids, and throwing people off buildings since time immemorial . . . it is an issue of epistemology I think . . . one can turn on the television, radio, computer, smart phone or whatever and see what people are doing -- riots, murders, stealing shit, throwing petrol on people and setting it alight . . .

Of course there is the Cosby case, apparently the biggest serial rapist case in history -- like other cases of forcible rape and facilitating same with drugs, I really can't figure the reason for this kind of thing, which, if I am not mistaken, animals don't even do to each other, still existing in the human species when we have extended our own life expectancy many times over and learned to heal ourselves and animals too, decoded our own programming (genome), walked on the Moon, figured out how to make morphine out of coal tar and petroleum, and are about to become a multi-planet species . . . one could imagine a case for someone conking someone on the head or otherwise risking a fatality in self-defence and similar reasons, but Cosby's kind of assault appears to exist just to propagate evil and turn people against one another and destroy each other for whatever evil reason. And not only was Cosby a rapist, he was a poisoner too . . . administering drugs to people without their consent, apparently another monopoly of humankind for some inscrutable reason . . .

Well, there was the Mme Bathory serial blood-drinking/murder case several hundred years before Dahmer, and Vlad the Impaler centuries before than simply doing on a broader scale rather common methods of propaganda of the deed during times of war, perhaps the ne plus ultra of psychological warfare, at least of things about which we know . . .
 
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There was, I think I recall, a Zodiac letter which at the bottom had two or three lines of what appeared to be just random characters . . . what is the prevailing theory on that one, if there is one?

O yes, H H Holmes and the Jack The Ripper theory, but then again some say that Arthur Conan Doyle was Jack the Ripper too . . . Holmes was the one when he was executed this massive thunderbolt hit the top of the prison.

When one wonders if kids these days and people of all ages are making everything more depraved and things are worse than ever, the Holmes and Jack The Ripper cases provide a lot of food for thought . . . even Jeffery Dahmer in the 1990s wasn't totally original in what he did, and people have been shooting people from book depository and hotel windows, cutting off heads, gassing people and throwing them off buildings since time immemorial . . . it is an issue of epistemology I think . . . one can turn on the television, radio, computer, smart phone or whatever and see what people are doing -- riots, murders, stealing shit . . .

Then there was the Mme Bathory blood-drinking/murder case several hundred years before that, and Vlad the Impaler centuries before than simply doing on a broader scale rather common methods of propaganda of the deed during times of war, perhaps the ne plus ultra of psychological warfare, at least of things about which we know . . .

I don't know about the few lines you mention with the Zodiac killer.

Yeah, I am REALLY interested in very old murderers and murder cases before our era and while some people think serial killers are a modern phenomena that is not entirely true.

I am also fascinated by Elizabeth Bathory and Vlad the Impaler.

Here are some very sick and twisted but interesting murderers and murder cases for you to check out if you haven't"

Gilles De Rais: SUPER sick and depraved child murderer and pedophile in the 1400s (lived just a bit earlier than Vlad the Impaler) who was a French nobleman and soldier who actually fought alongside and for Joan of Arc and killed like a hundred kids or so before being hung.

Wiley and Micajah Harpe: probably THE FIRST American serial killers even before Holmes. Lived at the time of the Revolutionary war and were basically rogue killers.

Peter Niers: German serial killer who lived in the 1500s and killed over FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Niers

Gilles Garnier: (the werewolf of Dole) French cannibal and serial killer during the 1500s.

Thug Behram: Indian serial killer in the 1700 and 1800s who killed NINE HUNDRED AND THRITY ONE PEOPLE!

Peter Stumpf: Don't know much about him.

Christman Genipperteinga: German serial killer in the 1500s who killed NINED HUNDRED AND SIXTY FOUR PEOPLE! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christman_Genipperteinga

William Burke and William Hare: Don't know much about them

The Villesca Axe murders: Read a great book on it. in Villisca, Iowa in 1912 someone axed a familar to death and was never caught.

The Servant Girl Annihilator: A murderer who killed mostly slaves in Austin, Texas in the 1880s. He was never caught. I started reading but never finished a book about him years ago. Very inrteresting.

The Hinterkaifeck murders: Unsolved axe murders in Hinterkaifeck Germany in 1922.


There's another one of those unsolved axe murder cases too somewhere I recently read about either America or Europe in either the late 1800s or early 1900s I can't remember.


I honestly find all these old killers more interesting than the modern ones.

There are TONS of them. Lots more.
 
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