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From how you describe it 2-FA sounds very similar to dex. Very little physical stimulation but a nice clean mental stimulation. Ability to sit back and feel calm in the right setting. That's basically how dex feels vs. regular racemic amphetamine which is far dirtier.

@emkee_reinvented I too feel spoiled by dex, seems like most of the negative effects people describe with amphetamine are taken care of by banishing the levoamphetamine already. I feel sorry for my Yank cousins that they get scripted Adderall instead, which seems inferior to dex but was brought to market purely because it was able to be patented after the dex patent wore off. Never brought to the UK because the NHS doesn't buy up similar, arguably slightly worse, drugs just because they're patented.

I think this is why the Yanks began loving Vyvanse so much too. It metabolises directly into dex. So they've got their clean pharma speed back.
Dex has always been available in the US, the reason for Adderal, and Vyvanse are commercial reason's though.

My personal view on dex is, that it onlike dl-Amphetamine is almost completely devoid of the typical euphoria and rush associated with Amphetamine abuse. Making it a better option as medication.

I get enormous euphoria from the dl mix whereas the dextro enantiomer is mainly therapeutic and limited recreationally. My own hypothesis why I get so differing results from the two.
 
As I understand it dex has been available in the US for a long while and still is, but once the patent expired they came out with Adderall instead to keep the $$$ coming in so that's why Adderall is the main ADHD drug over there. Now the same thing has happened again with Vyvanse since Adderall is now generic too.

Dex is available in the UK too but Adderall was never marketed here. Vyvanse however is available and has become more and more commonly prescribed due to it being less abusable (impossible to bypass the time release as it's a prodrug).

I actually have done Adderall (private doctors can script you anything, had to be specially imported though and cost a fortune) and found it inferior to dex. It had more side effects and a harsher comedown. I don't like the physical effects of the levoamph. It did have more of a rush yes, but that wasn't enough to offset the unpleasant side effects.

I am happy with my dex. I do just use it therapeutically. Provides a nice boost, good concentration, makes me more social, very minimal side effects. I prefer it to Vyvanse since I can control how much I take during the day. Vyvanse was always very hit and miss with how strong it'd be and how long it'd last - sometimes it'd feel weak, sometimes it'd feel too strong, sometimes it'd wear off half way through the day but I knew if I redosed I wouldn't sleep without benzos, other days it lasted too long and same problem. Plus it took two hours to kick in.

Dex is much simpler, just pop one initial dose, see how it makes me feel, if I need more I take more otherwise I don't, and I can always sleep at night just fine without any aids.
 
I actually thought UK were devoid of any Amphetamine. And relied solely on Methylphenidate for treatement of AD(H)D in kids but not adult's. So that's good news on both the avaiabilty and indication for adults. I assume you must be adult right? You are not a ten year old with +1000 post's on Bluelight right :)

And misinterpretaded your text thinking you ment dextro-Amphetamine wasn't available in the US.
 
Oh I forgot about 4-FA. I've had people I've shared it with say it was the best roll they've ever had. It's certainly the best I have, having never tried MDMA I can't compare them. But a very good amp with few drawbacks.
 
From how you describe it 2-FA sounds very similar to dex. Very little physical stimulation but a nice clean mental stimulation. Ability to sit back and feel calm in the right setting. That's basically how dex feels vs. regular racemic amphetamine which is far dirtier.

@emkee_reinvented I too feel spoiled by dex, seems like most of the negative effects people describe with amphetamine are taken care of by banishing the levoamphetamine already. I feel sorry for my Yank cousins that they get scripted Adderall instead, which seems inferior to dex but was brought to market purely because it was able to be patented after the dex patent wore off. Never brought to the UK because the NHS doesn't buy up similar, arguably slightly worse, drugs just because they're patented.

I think this is why the Yanks began loving Vyvanse so much too. It metabolises directly into dex. So they've got their clean pharma speed back.

I never tried Dexamphetamine, but I have heard 2FA being compared to it a few times from people that did,
 
Oh I forgot about 4-FA. I've had people I've shared it with say it was the best roll they've ever had. It's certainly the best I have, having never tried MDMA I can't compare them. But a very good amp with few drawbacks.

Feels as some sort of hybrid between the two. But akin more to Amphetamine especially after the initual serotenergic peak. Doesn't really qualify as proper rolling material like 6-APB and Methylone but sure is akin to it.

When I was on 4-FA and decided, it was pretty mild, if your allready accustomed to dextro-Amphetamin like I am it is less invasive. Some 4-MEC which is complete garbage on its own, turned me in a rolling mess. Just for a short while luckily as it was unexpected and unwelcome. But those two were good at simulating a roll without the intense overwelming mental empathy. A body roll sort of so.
 
anyone with a credit card and a laptop could have them in their letterbox by tomorrow.

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I also miss AL-LAD, it was a pretty fun lysergamide with much more of a "happy" headspace than acid, shorter duration too, more of a chill casual trip.
Got an VISA for only that purposs back then, ditched it along the way as thing's got even less complicated over the years.

Got an AL-LAD trip planned somewhere in the upcoming time. But I wonder how recreational it will be, actually a bit scared as ALD-52 was way to euphoric to even be close to a psychedelic ass wipping.
 
I actually thought UK were devoid of any Amphetamine. And relied solely on Methylphenidate for treatement of AD(H)D in kids but not adult's. So that's good news on both the avaiabilty and indication for adults. I assume you must be adult right? You are not a ten year old with +1000 post's on Bluelight right :)

And misinterpretaded your text thinking you ment dextro-Amphetamine wasn't available in the US.

There's plenty of street speed in the UK which is regular amphetamine sulfate, but unfortunately it's usually bashed to shit and mostly contains caffeine. You got people paying next to nothing per gram but that's because they need to take a gram at a time to get anything from it there's so much cut!

These days though our favourite street stim is coke rather than speed, so coke is much easier to find on the road, is higher quality especially on the DNM, and is what you can expect everyone to be boshing on a night out.

As for the pharma amphetamines, it is as a general rule hard to get regular dexamphetamine from the NHS. But well if you can afford a private ADHD specialist assessment for adult ADHD (which these days you can get done online for just £250, which is a fucking bargain since when I saw a specialist in person the insurance had to cover a £1000 bill) you can easily get dex.

My doc first gave me Concerta (time release methylphenidate) but it had horrible side effects so I just honestly told him this. He told me to come in the very next day and put me on Elvanse (the UK brand name for Vyvanse). I took that for a few years before I asked my NHS GP for dex instead so I can control how much of the stim I get in my brain every day. Got switched over no problem.

Few years later my mate went through one of the online services and did a video chat assessment. He was initially given Concerta but like me complained of its horrid side effects. The specialist then simply offered him a choice of what med he wanted next: Ritalin IR, Elvanse, or dexamphetamine. He of course chose the dex.

He had more trouble getting that script transferred over to the NHS though. While I literally just showed my GP the private script and had an NHS version printed out no questions asked, his GP wasn't so chill, and I heard later from mine the rules were toughened up a bit since I got my first script. So my mate's GP had to get authorisation from a board of local doctors to cover his arse before approving the script which, in typical NHS style, took months. My mate was put on Elvanse at first even though the private script was for dex, but later was able to get switched back to dex from his GP.

If you went the pure NHS route you'd be on a waiting list for fucking years (no I mean literally years), but once you got to see someone you'd easily get Elvanse no problem. Dex is harder to get, it's a hit and miss thing and depends entirely on the doctor you're seeing. Private specialists don't mind handing it out but whether the NHS will accept that recommendation is at their discretion. Often an NHS specialist only likes to hand out Concerta or Elvanse. They stick only to time release stims a lot of the time.

Just to be clear if the NHS refuses your private specialist's recommendation, you can still pick up the scripts privately, you just have to pay a fortune to do so. One box of 28 dex is around £150 from the pharmacy. Which is just pure profiteering when the NHS pays £20 per box for the exact same medication. Insurance won't help you either, private health insurance in the UK only ever covers medication when you're in hospital. They never cover the cost of outpatient meds.

Other private scripts can work out cheap though. Example the NHS prescription charge is currently £9. If you pick up a private diazepam prescription you will probably pay around £5 for a box. I actually once got a private diazepam script delivered to me by a bloke on a motorbike and paid £7. Still worked out cheaper than the NHS!

Why then is dex so much more expensive? No idea, I'm guessing it's because diazepam is far more mass produced as there's way more prescriptions for it. Economies of scale innit. NHS price is likely so low because they benefit from bulk ordering.

But yeah dex remains very rare in the UK. People will happily pay over a hundred quid for a single blister pack of 10.

Elvanse is far more common but still demands a similarly high street value.
 
One thing is clear the mechanisme of the prescribed Medications is just as vague as overhere but different.

Getting prescribed dex-Amphetamin took quite some effort. At the time no commercial or generic form was available, most probably the reason for the bullshitting. Atm we do have a commercial supplier, who got everyone, devoid of loads of cash,k without med's with a one month max notice. Had to do something with pharmacy made pharmaceuticals and profit's.
The branded variety is not covered yet by the various health insurance company's and would add up to a extremely disproportional ammount of cash.

But before that Methylphenidate was allready favored, the psyche who prescribed that to me disputed the side effects and wacky pharmakinetics. Even filed dex under alternative medicin.

Took me some time to get a 2nd opinion but it evt worked out.
 
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One thing is clear the mechanisme of the prescribed Medications is just as vague as overhere but different.

Getting prescribed dex-Amphetamin took quite some effort. At the time no commercial or generic form was available, most probably the reason for the bullshitting. Atm we do have a commercial supplier, who got everyone devoid of loads of cash without med's with a one month max notice. Which had to do with something bout pharmacy made pharmaceuticals and coverage falling under 'base care'. Basickly costless.
The branded variety is not covered yet by the various health insurance companyś and would add up to a extremely disproportional ammount of cash.

But before that Methylphenidate was allready favored, the psyche who prescribed that to me disputed the side effects and wacky pharmakinetics. Even filed dex under alternative medicin.

Took me some time to get a 2nd opinion but it evt worked out.

What country is this if you don't mind me asking? Doesn't sound like the US.

Glad you got your meds in the end though. Dex is really great imo.
 
Netherland's, the big question what after 31-12 will happen. Will the pharmacy prepared variety, that is currently only covered by one of the health insurance company's, still be available?

By chance I am with this one that still allows it under base-care coverage. But it is uncertain if this this practice is continued next year atm. I should probably start emailing them about the prospects. It could eventually help turning in my favor.

For all I know my past email's to them were the reason they continued supporting the pharmacy made variety?
 
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Netherland's, the big question what after 31-12 will happen. Will the pharmacy prepared variety that is currently only covered by one of the health insurance company's.

By chance I am with this one that still allows it under base-care coverage. But it is uncertain if this this practice is continued next year atm. I should probably start emailing them about the prospects. It could eventually help turning in my favor.

For all I know my past email's to them were the reason they continued supporting the pharmacy made variety?

Interesting. In the UK I don't think pharmacies make meds, at least if they do it's not very common and you'd need a specialist pharmacy for it, they just order them and give you the meds in the box they come in.

I have a Dutch mate who tells me Ritalin is very common over there, but dex less so. This seems to be the case in most countries with methylphenidate as the only option for ADHD, although I think Vyvanse is changing this since it is objectively less abusable than regular amphetamines.

So over there is it only the pharmacy prepared pills you can get? No dex made by an actual pharma company? Seems like a complex situation.
 
There is a pharmaceutical produced blister pack for a while, Amfexa. But it is not covered by any health insurance and it costs an disproportial ammount of cash for a bit of pharmaceutical 'speed'. Wont put a price down here but it is an ammount that seem's hilarious.

You would have to be upperclass to be able to pay for it.

And only one insurance that covers the pharmacy made one. Only one pharmacy that is making them at this point of the few that were doing at the start. They are the only provider of dextro-methylphenidate retard also. An med most AD(H)D-ers and narcoleptics probably never even get offerede as option to treat there condition. Weird shit, industrie profits ed.
 
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There is a pharmaceutical produced blister pack for a while, Amfexa. But it is not covered by any health insurance and it costs an disproportial ammount of cash for a bit of pharmaceutical 'speed'. Wont put a price down here but it is an ammount that seem's hilarious.

You would have to be upperclass to be able to pay for it.

And only one insurance that covers the pharmacy made one. Only one pharmacy that is making them at this point of the few that were doing at the start. They are the only provider of dextro-methylphenidate retard also. An med most AD(H)D-ers and narcoleptics probably never even get offerede as option to treat there condition. Weird shit, industrie profits ed.

You would be extremely jealous of me if I showed you my script... I get over 100 Amfexa per month for £9.

God bless the NHS!
 
That you actualy get scripted the unaffordable Amefexa in the UK for a price that surpasses my current cost's of the pharmacy made variety of it is shocking. What a world we live in?
 
That's crazy honestly mate. I'd have thought you have universal healthcare that would cover approved treatments in a country such as yours.
 
That's crazy honestly mate. I'd have thought you have universal healthcare that would cover approved treatments in a country such as yours.
The NHS seems like our older system, although 'the peoples insurance' from 1974 back then could be stepped up when one own's cash or had a certain job.

The commercializing of health care insurance was a step back imo. Atm you need skill's and luck to get what you need. And the monthly cost's have trippled assuming a euro is a guilder (the original dutch currency before EU) in the beginning we were made to believe €1,- would be worth 2,20.
 
MXE, 4-MMC / Mephedrone, 4-OH-MIPT, MET, and a-PVP.
Mephedrone 100%. Nothing compares to that. I used mephedrone before I ever took MDMA and have never even come close to feeling as good as I did on mephedrone.

I hear heroin addicts became mephedrone addicts once they tried it in the needle. I’m either very lucky or unlucky that mephedrone was a month or two before my IV use days and descent into heroin addiction.

MXE was also incredible. However I never found it altogether that recreational. A couple mg under the tongue each day made me feel incredible with no side effects. Actual recreational doses I found compulsive but not altogether that much fun.
 
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DOLLY
-4mmc
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-see also Kali
-1-(4-methylphenyl)-2-methylamino-1-oxopropane

Best selling research chemical yet. Lasts 1 to 3 or 4 hours when snorted. Very euphoric, very moreish, highly abusable, can lead to blue extremities from vasoconstriction. Cheap. Strong stimulation. Easily made from toluene. Very sexual and chatty but not in a perverted way like MDPV. Hard to fatally OD on. Is a potent DA and 5-HT releaser.

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MXE: 2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-ethylaminocyclohexanone

Profound, confusing, highly spiritual, gets your mind F'ed up easily, not all that recreational, very heavy high. I/We opened a stargate portal, which I declined to jump through. Hard to fatally OD on. Releases 5-HT and a whole lot of other things pharmacologically.

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KALI

I dunno. Never tried it. Looks fiercesome to me, though.
 
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