What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[ThreePointCircle]

I went through the whole thread and made notes for myself. I'm getting completely tilted and its bringing flashbacks of doing lit reviews, but in case it's a help to anyone, here it is. Might be some mistakes and I probably could have done with restructuring but I don't feel like editing. Numbers are message numbers. Divide by 20 for approx page number.

User reports noticing experience differences between batches​	1, 6, 12, 44, 57, 105, 355, 356​
MehDMA vs good both lab tested as MDMA and nothing else​	1, 42, 454, 1115​
Testing​	19, 123, 131, 137, 144 - 150, 152 – 157, 175, 188, 211, 214, 217 - 218, 222, 224, 240, 243 - 244, 246 - 247, 325, 340, 363, 370, 379, 396, 405, 414, 417, 457, 460, 489, 523, 541, 543, 563, 703, 722 - 723, 745, 780, 785, 789, 808, 999 – 1000, 1012, 1019, 1041, 1171, 1183 – 1186, 1366, 1471, 1473, 1502, 1525, 1580, 1583, 1593, 1695, 1769, 1792, 1806​
Issues with labs​	489, 523, 543, 563, 595, 703, 722 – 723, 780, 1019, 1116, 1158, 1501​
Dose​	27, 89, 90​
Stereoisomer​	16, 27, 36 - 37, 55, 65, 68 - 69, 73, 113, 117, 123 - 124, 127 - 131, 139 - 150, 152 – 157, 159 – 163, 165 - 166, 197 – 203, 345, 364, 371, 374, 506, 817, 820 – 822, 827, 835, 850, 852 – 853, 862, 867, 916, 1127​
Salts​	38, 265 – 266, 278, 405, 429, 434, 806, 814, 820, 822, 826, 1136 – 1137, 1141 – 1142, 1144, 1146​
Structural isomers​	211, 214, 217, 218, 222, 224, 240, 243 - 244, 265, 340, 415, 595, 761 – 779, 1583​
Impurities​	343 – 345, 365, 406 – 409, 466 + 470, 474, 555, 560, 574 - 575, 589, 622, 653 – 655, 752 - 753, 755 - 758, 761 – 779, 817, 851, 854, 869, 873, 911, 1093, 1096, 1249, 1269, 1275 - 1280, 1290, 1320, 1358, 1366​
MDP2P, 2-3 MDMA, MDP2Pol, MDP2P Glycidate, etc…​	80, 113, 209, 574, 589, 693, 749, 752 – 753, 755 – 758, 761 – 779, 793, 794, 817, 821, 996 – 1000, 1241 – 1245, 1249, 1264, 1269, 1275 – 1280, 1290, 1358​
MDPH​	1458, 1461 – 1466, 1477, 1479, 1484, 1561​
Capsule​	1417 – 1432, 1780 – 1782​
Manufacturing history​	102, 278, 294, 546, 575, 622, 647, 650, 742, 799, 857, 858, 873, 982, 1026, 1027, 1210, 1294, 1296, 1613 – 1614, 1780, 2024​
Purification​	366, 389, 579, 581, 609, 610, 613 – 617​
Subjective definition of MehDMA vs MDMA​	401, 538, 554, 589, 620, 651 - 652, 657, 812, 1042, 1139, 1208, 1607, 1618, 1619​
Test results​	1, 693, 749, 806, 817, 828, 833, 848, 996, 1127, 1241, 1387, 1458, 1484, 1963​
Recrystallisation/washing​	838, 841, 843, 849, 859 – 860, 863 – 866, 961 – 969, 973 – 978, 981, 988, 993, 1414 – 1415​
Other points​	739, 1156​

 

[AutoTripper]

I went through the whole thread and made notes for myself. I'm getting completely tilted and its bringing flashbacks of doing lit reviews, but in case it's a help to anyone, here it is. Might be some mistakes and I probably could have done with restructuring but I don't feel like editing. Numbers are message numbers. Divide by 20 for approx page number.

User reports noticing experience differences between batches​	1, 6, 12, 44, 57, 105, 355, 356​
MehDMA vs good both lab tested as MDMA and nothing else​	1, 42, 454, 1115​
Testing​	19, 123, 131, 137, 144 - 150, 152 – 157, 175, 188, 211, 214, 217 - 218, 222, 224, 240, 243 - 244, 246 - 247, 325, 340, 363, 370, 379, 396, 405, 414, 417, 457, 460, 489, 523, 541, 543, 563, 703, 722 - 723, 745, 780, 785, 789, 808, 999 – 1000, 1012, 1019, 1041, 1171, 1183 – 1186, 1366, 1471, 1473, 1502, 1525, 1580, 1583, 1593, 1695, 1769, 1792, 1806​
Issues with labs​	489, 523, 543, 563, 595, 703, 722 – 723, 780, 1019, 1116, 1158, 1501​
Dose​	27, 89, 90​
Stereoisomer​	16, 27, 36 - 37, 55, 65, 68 - 69, 73, 113, 117, 123 - 124, 127 - 131, 139 - 150, 152 – 157, 159 – 163, 165 - 166, 197 – 203, 345, 364, 371, 374, 506, 817, 820 – 822, 827, 835, 850, 852 – 853, 862, 867, 916, 1127​
Salts​	38, 265 – 266, 278, 405, 429, 434, 806, 814, 820, 822, 826, 1136 – 1137, 1141 – 1142, 1144, 1146​
Structural isomers​	211, 214, 217, 218, 222, 224, 240, 243 - 244, 265, 340, 415, 595, 761 – 779, 1583​
Impurities​	343 – 345, 365, 406 – 409, 466 + 470, 474, 555, 560, 574 - 575, 589, 622, 653 – 655, 752 - 753, 755 - 758, 761 – 779, 817, 851, 854, 869, 873, 911, 1093, 1096, 1249, 1269, 1275 - 1280, 1290, 1320, 1358, 1366​
MDP2P, 2-3 MDMA, MDP2Pol, MDP2P Glycidate, etc…​	80, 113, 209, 574, 589, 693, 749, 752 – 753, 755 – 758, 761 – 779, 793, 794, 817, 821, 996 – 1000, 1241 – 1245, 1249, 1264, 1269, 1275 – 1280, 1290, 1358​
MDPH​	1458, 1461 – 1466, 1477, 1479, 1484, 1561​
Capsule​	1417 – 1432, 1780 – 1782​
Manufacturing history​	102, 278, 294, 546, 575, 622, 647, 650, 742, 799, 857, 858, 873, 982, 1026, 1027, 1210, 1294, 1296, 1613 – 1614, 1780, 2024​
Purification​	366, 389, 579, 581, 609, 610, 613 – 617​
Subjective definition of MehDMA vs MDMA​	401, 538, 554, 589, 620, 651 - 652, 657, 812, 1042, 1139, 1208, 1607, 1618, 1619​
Test results​	1, 693, 749, 806, 817, 828, 833, 848, 996, 1127, 1241, 1387, 1458, 1484, 1963​
Recrystallisation/washing​	838, 841, 843, 849, 859 – 860, 863 – 866, 961 – 969, 973 – 978, 981, 988, 993, 1414 – 1415​
Other points​	739, 1156​

You forgot my 45th sneeze on page 87 lol! Good effort man in an attempt to keep an objective overview of some sorts. (I'm sure I blinked as well, twice in fact. ?)

 

[G_Chem]

@ThreePointCircle- Holy shit man great job!!! This thread is unwieldy at this point so this will help tremendously for those skipping to the last few pages.

We should one day try to condense a lot of this information or at least somebody should make sure to save this as we go. There’s shit in here that’s invaluable IMo.

-Gc

 

[Echotango]

Sometimes people use literally the BARE MINIMUM like for Example 30MG MDMA Per Pill to trick the MDMA Tester Kits into people thinking they got some strong and pure Pills since they turn super DARK purple and FAST. Yet you end up needing like 10 Pills to get a good Roll on so keep that factor in mind. It could be because your body takes 3 Months to fully Recover but for the High MDMA Produces it takes 5-6 Months of not using for a Receptor to heal that causes for lack of a better term as I forget where the Research Link is that I Googled how it takes 5-6 Months for a Receptor to heal that causes a "Tidal Wave of feel good chemicals like Serotonin, Oxytocin" etc. etc. compared to just a large increase in Serotonin etc. when using before the 5-6 Month abstinence use mark.

So it could be the fact that nobody knows the exact time frame between use to prevent the "loss of the magic" but that could be the problem just pointing it out and it sucks I know but take that as a Factor in your problem please don't just disregard it since there are things you can do like I read "Saint Johns Wort" can like Upregulate the Serotonin Receptor that have been damaged but you need to wait a minimum of like 21 Days after using Saint Johns Wort before using MDMA again or it can cause Serotonin Syndrome or something bad like that I can't remember... just remember that part since this is a serious matter.

 

[Phobos]

There are plenty of posts here that describe how the proper MDMA would get people high in the same way no matter the length of the period of abstinence, be it 2 days in a row, 1 week apart, etc.

 

[ThreePointCircle]

Thanks AT and Gc. I missed a category of synthesis pathways discussion, although some of that is in the manufacturing history.

 

[ThreePointCircle]

There are plenty of posts here that describe how the proper MDMA would get them high in the same way no matter the length of the period of abstinence, be it 2 days in a row, 1 week apart, etc.

Absolutely. I'm amazed at how reckless some people are but still have awesome experiences. Echotango, I was beginning to believe in that 'loss of magic' hype but, in retrospect, my return to MDMA happened just about the time everything was turning to crap in the UK and on the DMs. I'm now more inclined to lump that theory into the same bin I chucked lsd flashbacks. Although diminishing returns on a short timescale makes sense of course.

 

[Levodex]

It is a common complaint in EADD. The theory is the precursor being used by the dutch labs creates a different racemic mix of mdma which while being the same chemical is producing mongy non euphoric mdma.

I think you’re onto something there. Is MDMA racemic in the same way as amphetamine?

 

[ThreePointCircle]

@Levodex see messages: 16, 27, 36 - 37, 55, 65, 68 - 69, 73, 113, 117, 123 - 124, 127 - 131, 139 - 150, 152 – 157, 159 – 163, 165 - 166, 197 – 203, 345, 364, 371, 374, 506, 817, 820 – 822, 827, 835, 850, 852 – 853, 862, 867, 916, 1127

@indigoaura any more progress with TICTAC? I was thinking of contacting WEDINOS if no one else has

 

[epic11]

I went through the whole thread and made notes for myself. I'm getting completely tilted and its bringing flashbacks of doing lit reviews, but in case it's a help to anyone, here it is. Might be some mistakes and I probably could have done with restructuring but I don't feel like editing. Numbers are message numbers. Divide by 20 for approx page number.

User reports noticing experience differences between batches​	1, 6, 12, 44, 57, 105, 355, 356​
MehDMA vs good both lab tested as MDMA and nothing else​	1, 42, 454, 1115​
Testing​	19, 123, 131, 137, 144 - 150, 152 – 157, 175, 188, 211, 214, 217 - 218, 222, 224, 240, 243 - 244, 246 - 247, 325, 340, 363, 370, 379, 396, 405, 414, 417, 457, 460, 489, 523, 541, 543, 563, 703, 722 - 723, 745, 780, 785, 789, 808, 999 – 1000, 1012, 1019, 1041, 1171, 1183 – 1186, 1366, 1471, 1473, 1502, 1525, 1580, 1583, 1593, 1695, 1769, 1792, 1806​
Issues with labs​	489, 523, 543, 563, 595, 703, 722 – 723, 780, 1019, 1116, 1158, 1501​
Dose​	27, 89, 90​
Stereoisomer​	16, 27, 36 - 37, 55, 65, 68 - 69, 73, 113, 117, 123 - 124, 127 - 131, 139 - 150, 152 – 157, 159 – 163, 165 - 166, 197 – 203, 345, 364, 371, 374, 506, 817, 820 – 822, 827, 835, 850, 852 – 853, 862, 867, 916, 1127​
Salts​	38, 265 – 266, 278, 405, 429, 434, 806, 814, 820, 822, 826, 1136 – 1137, 1141 – 1142, 1144, 1146​
Structural isomers​	211, 214, 217, 218, 222, 224, 240, 243 - 244, 265, 340, 415, 595, 761 – 779, 1583​
Impurities​	343 – 345, 365, 406 – 409, 466 + 470, 474, 555, 560, 574 - 575, 589, 622, 653 – 655, 752 - 753, 755 - 758, 761 – 779, 817, 851, 854, 869, 873, 911, 1093, 1096, 1249, 1269, 1275 - 1280, 1290, 1320, 1358, 1366​
MDP2P, 2-3 MDMA, MDP2Pol, MDP2P Glycidate, etc…​	80, 113, 209, 574, 589, 693, 749, 752 – 753, 755 – 758, 761 – 779, 793, 794, 817, 821, 996 – 1000, 1241 – 1245, 1249, 1264, 1269, 1275 – 1280, 1290, 1358​
MDPH​	1458, 1461 – 1466, 1477, 1479, 1484, 1561​
Capsule​	1417 – 1432, 1780 – 1782​
Manufacturing history​	102, 278, 294, 546, 575, 622, 647, 650, 742, 799, 857, 858, 873, 982, 1026, 1027, 1210, 1294, 1296, 1613 – 1614, 1780, 2024​
Purification​	366, 389, 579, 581, 609, 610, 613 – 617​
Subjective definition of MehDMA vs MDMA​	401, 538, 554, 589, 620, 651 - 652, 657, 812, 1042, 1139, 1208, 1607, 1618, 1619​
Test results​	1, 693, 749, 806, 817, 828, 833, 848, 996, 1127, 1241, 1387, 1458, 1484, 1963​
Recrystallisation/washing​	838, 841, 843, 849, 859 – 860, 863 – 866, 961 – 969, 973 – 978, 981, 988, 993, 1414 – 1415​
Other points​	739, 1156​

*golf claps*

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I went through the whole thread and made notes for myself. I'm getting completely tilted and its bringing flashbacks of doing lit reviews, but in case it's a help to anyone, here it is. Might be some mistakes and I probably could have done with restructuring but I don't feel like editing. Numbers are message numbers. Divide by 20 for approx page number.

User reports noticing experience differences between batches​	1, 6, 12, 44, 57, 105, 355, 356​
MehDMA vs good both lab tested as MDMA and nothing else​	1, 42, 454, 1115​
Testing​	19, 123, 131, 137, 144 - 150, 152 – 157, 175, 188, 211, 214, 217 - 218, 222, 224, 240, 243 - 244, 246 - 247, 325, 340, 363, 370, 379, 396, 405, 414, 417, 457, 460, 489, 523, 541, 543, 563, 703, 722 - 723, 745, 780, 785, 789, 808, 999 – 1000, 1012, 1019, 1041, 1171, 1183 – 1186, 1366, 1471, 1473, 1502, 1525, 1580, 1583, 1593, 1695, 1769, 1792, 1806​
Issues with labs​	489, 523, 543, 563, 595, 703, 722 – 723, 780, 1019, 1116, 1158, 1501​
Dose​	27, 89, 90​
Stereoisomer​	16, 27, 36 - 37, 55, 65, 68 - 69, 73, 113, 117, 123 - 124, 127 - 131, 139 - 150, 152 – 157, 159 – 163, 165 - 166, 197 – 203, 345, 364, 371, 374, 506, 817, 820 – 822, 827, 835, 850, 852 – 853, 862, 867, 916, 1127​
Salts​	38, 265 – 266, 278, 405, 429, 434, 806, 814, 820, 822, 826, 1136 – 1137, 1141 – 1142, 1144, 1146​
Structural isomers​	211, 214, 217, 218, 222, 224, 240, 243 - 244, 265, 340, 415, 595, 761 – 779, 1583​
Impurities​	343 – 345, 365, 406 – 409, 466 + 470, 474, 555, 560, 574 - 575, 589, 622, 653 – 655, 752 - 753, 755 - 758, 761 – 779, 817, 851, 854, 869, 873, 911, 1093, 1096, 1249, 1269, 1275 - 1280, 1290, 1320, 1358, 1366​
MDP2P, 2-3 MDMA, MDP2Pol, MDP2P Glycidate, etc…​	80, 113, 209, 574, 589, 693, 749, 752 – 753, 755 – 758, 761 – 779, 793, 794, 817, 821, 996 – 1000, 1241 – 1245, 1249, 1264, 1269, 1275 – 1280, 1290, 1358​
MDPH​	1458, 1461 – 1466, 1477, 1479, 1484, 1561​
Capsule​	1417 – 1432, 1780 – 1782​
Manufacturing history​	102, 278, 294, 546, 575, 622, 647, 650, 742, 799, 857, 858, 873, 982, 1026, 1027, 1210, 1294, 1296, 1613 – 1614, 1780, 2024​
Purification​	366, 389, 579, 581, 609, 610, 613 – 617​
Subjective definition of MehDMA vs MDMA​	401, 538, 554, 589, 620, 651 - 652, 657, 812, 1042, 1139, 1208, 1607, 1618, 1619​
Test results​	1, 693, 749, 806, 817, 828, 833, 848, 996, 1127, 1241, 1387, 1458, 1484, 1963​
Recrystallisation/washing​	838, 841, 843, 849, 859 – 860, 863 – 866, 961 – 969, 973 – 978, 981, 988, 993, 1414 – 1415​
Other points​	739, 1156​

Mate, I seriously think you need to lay off the phet for a while... ?

 

[Star winx]

Kinda off subject a little but has anyone noticed the difference in dex now compared with dex in 2000?

 

[Phobos]

Kinda off subject a little but has anyone noticed the difference in dex now compared with dex in 2000?

Dex? Whats that?

 

[AutoTripper]

I assume DXM?? Certainly very random anyhow.

 

[TripSitterNZ]

Dex? Whats that?

must be dextros for adhd or amphetamine

 

[AutoTripper]

must be dextros for adhd or amphetamine

Okay you know way more than me on all things so I will trust your judgement, especially seeing as that actually makes sense and is a lot more relevant and connected to the topic at hand.

 

[heatlessbbq]

This thread is heavy with posts and according to the Title... I feel this topic needs to be well respect or relayed...

"What is wrong with the MDMA available today?"

My opinion is that there is something missing...

We adopted a new lifestyle that blew Our minds.
And then It's taken away from US?... What is going on, Mates?

 

[heatlessbbq]

Most molly going around these days are baggies of MDA. No MDMA.

And where are those ILY, ecstasy tablets? 5 a pop. Now it's 20?
What gives, Mates?

 

[Phobos]

Most molly going around these days are baggies of MDA. No MDMA.

Are you aware of the tests that say that MDMA is prevalent compared to MDA nowadays?
At least, in the samples that are tested, but surely there must be some connection.
And anyway did you say this because you or someone close sent samples to be tested?
And what part of the world are you talking about?

 

[ThreePointCircle]

There's been a couple of posts about distillation of the MDMA freebase (e.g. 579, 581, 897, 1695).

Assuming the primary cause of mehdma is impurities (a big assumption I know, but some of the test results posted here have hinted towards that), wouldn't this essentially 'fix' the bad product?