Cathinones which are both alpha methyl and are usually either primary or secondary amines (methcathinone, 4-MMC, bk-MDMA, cathinone, etc.) will act like non beta keto amphetamine counterparts as releasing agents. Generally only certain substituted cathinones that have long alpha side chains and/or pyrole rings are going to be the reuptake inhibitors. Drugs like MDPV, PVP, MDPPP, Pentedrone, etc.
The actual stucture of cathinone is beta keto amphetamine and it is a releasing agent. Calling other drugs which are technically not amphetamines by virtue of not even being "alpha methyl" by the name "cathinone" is a bit misleading because it's structure is not technically that of bk-amphetamine. It would be better to call these chemicals substituted beta keto phenethylamines in my opinion but they are generally referred to as substituted cathinones instead.
3 and 4-MMC are both triple releasing agents like MDMA. If you want references just tell me as they're very easy to find. If you can't source MDMA or even if MDMA isn't working anymore 3 and 4 MMC more than fit the bill of replacement for me. I agree they feel a bit unique compared to MDMA but believe me they are both a very intense roll and certainly nothing at all like the reuptake inhibitors like MDPV and whatnot. Completely different class of drugs, despite both being substituted beta keto phenethylamines.
Oh wow, I'm absolutely wrong about that! Sorry about that, everyone, and thank you for the correction,
@simstim. That's so odd, because to me, both 4-MMC and 3-MMC feel more like reuptake inhibitors and I guess I assumed since so many of the other RC cathinones out there act as reuptake inhibitors they would b no different. But for example, articles like this tell otherwise:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3246659/
However 3-MMC it appears is far less serotonergic than 4-MMC, and that checks out personally with my experiences with these drugs. Goddamn, they have really
short durations for releasing agents. That's too bad.
Also, this is just my personal opinion—and you're right that MDMA experiences are highly subjective and valued differently—but in
no way would 3-MMC substitute as MDMA in terms of effects. 4-MMC is a stretch, but I an at least see someone being satisfied with it as a sub. 3-MMC is much more purely stimulating. But eh, just my proverbial $0.02.
Also it's considered by many
Who? Weak argument.
that the feel of MDMA isn't necessarily that unique
Things cannot be varying degrees of unique. It is an absolute – a thing either is or is not unique. It means “one-of-a-kind”, after all. Personally I consider MDMA's pharmaceutical action to be unique.
and many drugs will substitute in animals. Just some food for thought. Please Don't poopoo cathinone triple releasers without trying them just because you've heard others do so.
Ok first “poo-poo” as a verb is hilarious.
Second, I'm not saying anything bad about cathinone drugs. I love some of the cathinones including methcathinone (which I've synthesized a few times many years ago), khat (cathinone from the
catha edulis plant), MDPV, α-PVP, bk-MDMA (methylone), bk-2C-B, NEP, and a few others I'm forgetting at the moment.
Third, I'm a little insulted at the insinuation that I would form my opinions on drugs not on my own experiences but on the mere
words of others. I've done all these drugs myself or I would qualify my statements otherwise. You're not the only one with experience around here.
True they are distinguishably different from MDMA the effects can be on par with and even in a few cases may surpass the feeling of MDMA despite being a bit different.
Right. As stated: they are different. Why are you so defensive over this class of drugs? I never called them inferior. Again: I simply said that they are different, should be treated and thought of differently, and I guess a better way to state what I said before is that they should
not be represented as MDMA/Ecstasy, instead of saying that they should "substitute for". True, their effects are in the same ballpark, and thanks again for the correction that they act as RAs not RIs. Meaning to say: I have no qualms with taking these drugs instead of MDMA, I just want to echo the notion that the user should be informed that they are taking 4-MMC instead of MDMA, for example.
I think certainly bk-MDMA and 4-MMC have earned a special place in history on their own and are likely to continue to exist even in illegal markets at this point.
No arguments here. I said this already, and I think they should also be recognized as separate from "ecstasy". The name “meow meow” is so ridiculously stupid that I sort of like it, lol.