paperchaser
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I was thinkin 25 gauge 1 inch for thigh and butt IM injections and 5/8 ths 25 gauge for shoulder and ventroglute injections. this is for IMING bupe.
I wouldn't recommend IMing subs or IV for that matter. I do ocasionally when low and desperate...but very bad.
When MicronFiltered properly I do not believe they are that bad for ya.
Right now I am using the strips and they work well IM. For some reason they seem weaker IV.I wouldn't even think about it unless you have a micron filter (since you mention this I hope you do) but even then I wouldn't do it. I snorted bupe until I got micronfilters and then started to IV it, I have been doing this for over two years now after a 3 1/2 year nasty heroin run.
If you are using the suboxone pills then you have to consider the inactive ingidients, and if some of them may be small enough to get through a micron filter. I believe you are probably right but if you get shot with steroids they use a carrier oil and the carrier oil doesn't sit lodged in your muscle, the oil or other inert ingredients that are injected into the muscle dissolves into the blood stream eventually just like if you shot it IV.
Inactive Ingredients: lactose, mannitol, cornstarch, povidone K30, citric acid, sodium citrate, FD&C Yellow #6 color, magnesium stearate, and the tablets also contain Acesulfame K sweetener and a lemon / lime flavor.
Then you have to consider than an 8mg pill weighs 400mgs, making the inactive ingridients make up 98% of the pill mass. You don't want any inactive ingridients sitting their in you muscle for long, so I wouldn't chance it. I would think that a number of them may be small enough to make it through the micron filter, and consiering how little active ingidient it present in a pill, the risk does not seem to outweigh the reward. After IVing the tabs for a year I only was using my leg vein and it started to become a little orange so I switched to IM and it is back to normal. The orange dye in the tabs definitely makes it through the micronfilter.
I don't have the information on the strips though, and I don't know which you have, but I figured this would be good information for anybody that takes the pills in any ROA other than sublingual to know.
I wouldn't even think about it unless you have a micron filter (since you mention this I hope you do) but even then I wouldn't do it.
If you are using the suboxone pills then you have to consider the inactive ingidients, and if some of them may be small enough to get through a micron filter.
Inactive Ingredients: lactose, mannitol, cornstarch, povidone K30, citric acid, sodium citrate, FD&C Yellow #6 color, magnesium stearate, and the tablets also contain Acesulfame K sweetener and a lemon / lime flavor.
Then you have to consider than an 8mg pill weighs 400mgs, making the inactive ingridients make up 98% of the pill mass. You don't want any inactive ingridients sitting their in you muscle for long, so I wouldn't chance it. I would think that a number of them may be small enough to make it through the micron filter, and consiering how little active ingidient it present in a pill, the risk does not seem to outweigh the reward.
I don't have the information on the strips though, and I don't know which you have, but I figured this would be good information for anybody that takes the pills in any ROA other than sublingual to know.
You should not be IMing bupe strips unless they are micron'd but even then.. I am not sure how safe it is. I would personally rather IV a micron filtered subutex or suboxone before the film.
If you are not micron filtering, no matter how many times you cotton filter you are putting your self at risk and will soon get an abscess. You can roll your cotton as tight as you want and filter as many times as you want.. you are not ever going to achieve what a .45um micron can do. Not even close.. so do not kid your self. IVing is bad enough.. but to IM... think about where these non water-soluable particles go.. they are stuck in your body. That is a recipe for disaster. One day you might ahve like 5 abscesses pop up that have been festering but your immune system has been fighting them off, then all of a sudden they flare up and seem to appear out of nowhere.
Thank you for the reply. I micronfilter everytime most times I filter first with a whatman GDX .45UM Micron and then filter that solution with a .2UM Whatman Micronfilter I do the same filter process with street drugs and have been IMing IVing for years with no issues. I am actually most interested in why you said you would IV/IM the tabs before the strips? I feel the same way by the way although I have heard others that prefer the strips.
I would think though that a micron filter would catch all the non water soluable ingredients in a bupe pill.. considering most bacteria would even be caught by a .45 micron filter.I believe .2UM Whatman GDX Micron Filters to be the best.
Unless you are very skinny a 5/8th tip will likely not be long enough to properly IM. Some people think they are IMing then infact they are basically doing a subcutaneous injection. You need to hit the muscle so it can be absorbed into the blood stream. AFter you IM the area should not be as if you missed a shot. It may be slightly tender but you should not get a lump or histamine reaction. I am very in shape and have an incredibly lean physique... body builder type.... I would be the last person you would see in public to think has a drug habit.... not being a cocky prick... just sayin. Although I have recently switched to a 25g 1inch to do IM injections everywhere it does not feel like a missed shot when using 5/8in needles.
Get a flu shot.. take note of the type of barrel and tip the doctor uses.. I will guarantee you it will not be less than 1"
Personally, I would use around a 21-25g thickness, 1 - 1&1/2" length.