What are your beliefs?

[tracedwards313]

Then you are not living by the Golden Rule, which is the main or first rule of most religions.

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Please get back to me with your conclusion.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Regards
DL

Im not going to waste my time debating religions with you. I never even claimed any religion anyway. But you do realize religion is a man made institution?

God doesnt need you, me or any human acknowledgement. You can twist religion any which way you want but that doesnt mean anything. Once I understood the separation God and religions, things became much more clear and I quit wasting time pointing out every little bullshit discrepancy I found in man made religion.

Also, what does any of what I said have to do with the "golden rule"? Treating others as you wish to be treated?

 

[Soso78]

My belief is Karma. Do good and good will come to you

 

[Working_Class]

I believe in science, the law of attraction and treating others the way you wish to be treated.

Simple, concise and easy to live by.

As far as way of life outside those things, I also believe challenges help a person grow, and that learning should be a life long endeavor. Too much idle time becomes tedious in that, you need to rest, this is a fact, but too much time spent idle is generally unfulfilling and in my experience produces a state of dissatisfaction.

As far as religion goes, I was brought up in catholic churches and schools, and religion breeds mindsets of exclusion and superiority. I cannot align with these aspects of one religion looking at others as if they pity the beliefs of the "wrong ideals".

Freedom to chose is a right of us all however, and to each their own.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

This tiresome BS again? You need to study basic European or world history, the history of world religions and put down the METH pipe and stop trolling. You are like a broken record, or a boring one trick pony.

Christianity has had many reformations and there are sects of Christianity that have supported both women's rights, the rights of LGBT (Gay, bisexual, and trans) people and our rights and freedoms, and human rights longer than you have been alive. Judaism except for certain sects has also done this, as have all other religions except for Islam which needs to be reformed and enter into the 21st Century finally and end the tribalism mentality of the 7th Century many Islamists still have today in 2020.

The majority of Christians in the USA, and North America as well as the rest of the world are not fundamentalists, do not believe everything in the bible or other religious texts is 1,000% true or cannot be challenged or interpreted differently, and they do not like the Fundamentalist types who are in the minority.

Your argument against Christians or basically any religion or sect of a religion including Gnostic Christianity, is akin to claiming most or all Jews in the USA or worldwide are Orthodox, Haredi, or other sects that are extreme and against LGBT people and women's rights when this is not correct at all.

It's like that old poem/haiku:
First they came for the gays/bisexuals
But I didn't know I am bisexual
So who cares?

You are too uniformed, and frankly, immoral, for me to bother with.

To say that those who believe in Jesus are not fundamentally literalists is close to stupid.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

My belief is Karma. Do good and good will come to you

Sorry buddy. I see that as simplistic thinking and a wish list for revenge if you change the good karma you posit to the evil karma that would also exist in our dualistic world.

Let's pretend it's a true and working concept.

Who doles out this karma?

I have seen a real prick who left his wife and children penniless the moment he won a lottery.

Explain that karma against his children. Did they do enough evil to suffer the evil imposed on them?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I also believe challenges

I agree fully here and also liked your other thinking.

What challenge do you presently impose on yourself?

Regrads
DL

 

[Soso78]

Sorry buddy. I see that as simplistic thinking and a wish list for revenge if you change the good karma you posit to the evil karma that would also exist in our dualistic world.

Let's pretend it's a true and working concept.

Who doles out this karma?

I have seen a real prick who left his wife and children penniless the moment he won a lottery.

Explain that karma against his children. Did they do enough evil to suffer the evil imposed on them?

Regards
DL

There’s no time frame. His karma is in the post
Odin doles out their karma

 

[Working_Class]

Studying, physical training, discipline.

All the ingredients for a life that has lots of opportunities to experience flow.

I love my girlfriend, treat her well and encourage her to challenge herself alongside one another. We wake up at 3:30 am, 3 days out of the week to train early and I study right after I make coffee. Check things off the "to do" list, cook and clean. It's a pretty organic relationship, we nurture the best qualities in one another.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Im not going to waste my time debating religions with you. I never even claimed any religion anyway. But you do realize religion is a man made institution?

Yes, and they and their immoral people invented all the gods.

"Personally, I know God is real."

You make such a statement while refusing to discuss it. Hypocrisy that, given that we are in the religious section of this site.

God doesnt need you, me or any human acknowledgement.

So why are you acknowledging one?

Also, what does any of what I said have to do with the "golden rule"? Treating others as you wish to be treated?

You sad, " I dont argue or discount anyones beliefs or see much use in it. "

If you are not trying to protect the victims, male or female, even in your own family, that will be discriminated against unjustly by the mainstream religions, then you are not living a moral life.

If you are not fighting immoral beliefs, like homophobia and misogyny, you are not a moral person.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

There’s no time frame. His karma is in the post
Odin doles out their karma

Supernatural garbage thinking.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Studying, physical training, discipline.

All the ingredients for a life that has lots of opportunities to experience flow.

I love my girlfriend, treat her well and encourage her to challenge herself alongside one another. We wake up at 3:30 am, 3 days out of the week to train early and I study right after I make coffee. Check things off the "to do" list, cook and clean. It's a pretty organic relationship, we nurture the best qualities in one another.

Don't take this wrong.

Those challenges, while real, are more self serving than designed to help others, which is what I meant.

I should have been more clear. You do have to get past those challenges though before you can try to move the opinion of others to a better form.

That is the type of challenge I meant.

The type covered by this wisdom saying.

For evil to grow, all good men need do is nothing.

I was thinking of challenges like perhaps joining PITA to fight the evils in our food animal sectors or like my challenge to myself to help reduce the harm that religions do.

That was on my back burner when I was your age and more in your personal situation as well.

I just hope, if it is not in your agenda now, that fighting for such a cause will pop up when you have the time and knowledge to fight evil.

Regards
DL

 

[Working_Class]

The concept of karma doesn't have to be immediate or linear.

Maybe the kids have it rough, maybe the wife and the husband didn't have the best relationship. But believe that some misfortune will come for the husband if he abandons his family, nomatter the circumstances. I don't believe in strict constructs of x - y = z. Things aren't so linear.

The challenges that the mother and children might be a blessing in disguise, believe it or not. There is no telling what the challenges they face will spark in terms of how they develop as people.

Say the father stayed and spoils the family. The kids grow up entitled and rotten perhaps? Is that any way to live?

Inversely, say they grow up in a hostile environment in which they face challenges. These challenges might produce more appreciation for things that they may not have otherwise known.

It's very narrow minded to think linearly about these kinds of things. The universe is more of a quantum bitch than a straight line.

And the man may have satisfied some sort if materialist desires, but perhaps he will have deep seeded guilt, finding himself hollow surrounded by materialistic people and material items. These things so not nurture an individual, but rather poison the soul.

Although this is merely an observation on my part. I could be entirely wrong, but the relationship between cause and effect in terms of karma is much more complicated than we like to imagine, if such a concept exists in reality.

We are but a blip in the cosmos, a fart in the wind. In the grand scheme of the whole universe, our experience is as significant as a period at the end of a sentence in a never ending book.

Have an open heart, an open mind and a good attitude. Nobody gets out alive anyways, this is an undisputed fact

 

[Working_Class]

You're a rather unpleasant and disagreeable individual GB. I hope the best for you and your disagreeable constructs, living in that ivory tower of opinion where you're reigning king, looking down on every other person.

It must be very lonely up there.

 

[tracedwards313]

You sad, " I dont argue or discount anyones beliefs or see much use in it. "

If you are not trying to protect the victims, male or female, even in your own family, that will be discriminated against unjustly by the mainstream religions, then you are not living a moral life.

If you are not fighting immoral beliefs, like homophobia and misogyny, you are not a moral person.

Regards
DL

That logic is so flawed its ridiculous. You obviously dont understand the concept of personal morality. You use blanket statements about entire groups of people and its simply...dumb

You are blinded by your belief that you are "right" and doesnt come off well for you.

Your need to label and separate ideas so that you can pick them apart using your own personal beliefs isnt a positive thing.

Also, you kinda just seem like a dick, who thinks he knows it all and very obviously doesn't.

 

[Working_Class]

Consensus; GB is a douche canoe.

Refer to the image below.

http://imgur.com/a/1XQ1H

Regards; WC.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

You're a rather unpleasant and disagreeable individual GB. I hope the best for you and your disagreeable constructs, living in that ivory tower of opinion where you're reigning king, looking down on every other person.

It must be very lonely up there.

It is. That is why I try hard to elevate those who cannot argue against what I believe.

I, like Jesus, call many, but few hear the call.

The opinion you hold of me is the same that forced Jesus to run away a couple of times from the Jews who would have stoned him.

It is also why the inquisitions sent their murderers instead of those who could debate and had decent moral values to convert instead of murder.

I am lonely for good Christians instead of the ones who idol worship a genocidal prick of a god.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

That logic is so flawed its ridiculous. You obviously dont understand the concept of personal morality. You use blanket statements about entire groups of people and its simply...dumb

You are blinded by your belief that you are "right" and doesnt come off well for you.

Your need to label and separate ideas so that you can pick them apart using your own personal beliefs isnt a positive thing.

Also, you kinda just seem like a dick, who thinks he knows it all and very obviously doesn't.

Show the flaw in my logic, dick wad, or be seen for the liar you are.

Regards
DL

 

[White_Rose]

I would strongly suggest that both of you start respecting each other's view and continue this thread debating with each other without name calling.

 

[Vastness]

Gnostic Bishop, you are really hijacking this thread to push your Jesus-centric view of the universe.

"Personally, I know God is real."

You make such a statement while refusing to discuss it. Hypocrisy that, given that we are in the religious section of this site.

How you can't see the hypocrisy in your own statement here is mindboggling. Presumably, you believe that you know Jesus is real. I haven't really seen anyone else in this thread, even the other Jesus-believers, try to shut down discussion of any alternate viewpoint whatsoever in the way you keep trying to. In actual fact I haven't even seen anyone being obnoxiously insistent about the absolute objective reality of their own interpretation of reality except for yourself.

Also, this isn't the "religious section" of the site, the forum title is "Philosophy and Spirituality", religion obviously can fall under this umbrella, although not always. Religion, usually, is a form of spirituality with it's own somewhat unique philosophies about the nature of the world, but religious dogmatism is often a pretty unwelcome addition to any serious philosophical discussion because everything begins and ends with "this is the irrefutable word of [insert chosen god or religious figure], if you don't agree, suck it."

Show the flaw in my logic, dick wad, or be seen for the liar you are.

Do you think that Jesus would approve of this kind of childish namecalling? I would think not, but perhaps I just don't know Jesus like you do!

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

You are too uniformed, and frankly, immoral, for me to bother with.

To say that those who believe in Jesus are not fundamentally literalists is close to stupid.

Regards
DL

Why should anyone regard anything you write as being factual, or having any merit at all? Myself and others including white_rose have told you how you need to study world religions, and basic European/world history, instead of going into your usual silly histrionics and babbling on about the Nazi holocaust and the tiresome flawed argument of 'ALL religion/spirituality is bad, horrible, immoral, and wrong all except gnosticism or Gnostic Christianity!!!'. This makes you a complete hypocrite and no better than a religious extremist/fundamentalist.

The majority of Christians worldwide and people who practise any sort of religion/ spirituality or none at all, are not the fundamentalist type. But keep staying ignorant and an internet troll who goes on and on about nothing and throwing temper tantrums when you are told the BS you write is incorrect. You can call yourself a gnostic all you want but who are you trying to fool, anyone can tell you are a fraud and phoney.