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US Hospitals are all CORRUPT and about nothing but your $$$$$ *rant*story*mad

ADHDMY4SS

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There are twice as many people in hospitals that are there working crunching numbers and doing finance and accounting then there are nurses, assistants, and doctors. For example everything inside a hospital, let's say an emergency room with all the capabilities technology offers today that takes patients with severe trauma, bullet wounds, car accidents, etc. If you go in for a bad cough or literally any reason at all, it costs just under two thousand dollars. TWO THOUSAND FOR FUCKING NOTHING a confirmation you're not dying and a tylenol script for TWO GRAND.

If you're conscious and coherent, the first thing they ask for is your ID and insurance. I am not against that in any way shape or form. Don't get me wrong.

I'm not sitting here raving for free health care or any crap like that. 8 hour waits and ridiculous prescription pricing and lower quality care with below average and dirty instruments/machinery. fuckkk that.

Insurance companies in the US have it good. I bet most of you are unaware. Insurance companies in the US are legally entitled to 20% of the hospital bill (profit). The #1 healthcare system in the world and one of the countries with a very high life expectancy, is known internationally to be France. In France, insurance companies are allowed to keep 5% of the bill. FIVE PERCENT AS OPPOSED TO 20. They profit four times as much in the US for what? corrupt horse SHIT on a fucking plate that's what.

To top that all off, an average physician in the United States makes about 185K a year. France: 96K a year. What the F!!! How do they have better doctors and hospitals for less? Corrupt ass America. And stfu please to anybody saying if you don't like it leave. I love it, there are just so many moving parts and its baffling what they all have in common : lies and corruption.

All they give a flying fuck about is your money. No matter what type of patient you are or how much you're suffering. I've had a severe organ issue and had to get something removed. I would rather not go into detail with the entire world on bluelight but anyways it was supposed to be a 2 day procedure at max, usually one full day. I ended up stayed in the hospital for 8 days. To someone that doesn't normally go to the hospital than you're average joe for a flu or whatever, it feels like 8 weeks not 8 days. I shared a room with someone else too. Numerous people, they were all 1-2 dayers and they were good to go. My operation was possibly fatal and luckily im here today to bitch about the ppl that saved my life (lulz).

ANYWAYS, I LITERALLY heard the nurse and a doctor (he had a lab coat on and a clipboard like all my other doctors) say:

"what's he at?"

"twenty one thousand 5 days"

"have him stay for a few more days"

I won't get religious here but I swear on everything I love and my families lives I heard this VERBATIM 10 FEET AWAY FROM MY BED. Dumb fucks thought I was deaf or something. I was on no medication FYI aside from morphine which I couldn't even feel because the pain did fucking laps around it and the vicodin they were giving me.

That was one experience I had many years ago that I will never forget. Since then it's been the same one way or another.

The cancer industry alone is worth $100 BILLION dollars a year. 100 FUCKING BILLION

DO YOU THINK THESE LOVELY PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES WILL ACTUALLY FIND A CURE LET ALONE RELEASE IT??? 100 BILLION GOES DOWN THE TOILET IF THEY DO

Sure they make drugs that help people everyday and they're good at that but just look at how much these companies are worth, 20 BILLION, 60 BILLION and more. All they give a fuck about is their stock price, not finding a cure to cancer! They make cancer drugs and those are figuratively the money PRINTERS for them.

My vyvanse prescription is $1200 a month. TWELVE FUCKING HUNDRED. for 30 pills. Why? Shire has a patent on it and there is no generic. Of course my insurance helps but there's still a nice chunk left over for me to fork over every month. When a drug is released, a patent usually comes alone with it so other generic manufacturers cannot replicate it until the patent expiration date. Until then, if you made some good shit (or anything that patients need for an illness anywhere in the world), you get to charge whatever the f you want.

Anyways before I get too worked up, the healthcare system is just a bunch of bullshit. When's the last time your doctor asked you what you've been eating? Can you remember one single time?

What do you think? Am I overdoing it? Do you think it's even worse than I am making it out to be?
 

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I'm not sitting here raving for free health care or any crap like that.
I am. healthcare should never be run for profit. health insurance is a scam, and people go bankrupt far too often because of medical bills. it's disgusting. people are being murdered via price gouging and insurance withholding funds for essential care that the policy holder paid to have coverage for, regularly

this has got to change
 

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I am. healthcare should never be run for profit. health insurance is a scam, and people go bankrupt far too often because of medical bills. it's disgusting. people are being murdered via price gouging and insurance withholding funds for essential care that the policy holder paid to have coverage for, regularly

this has got to change
I don't think you'd want free free healthcare. In countries that are currently free its shitty care that you have to wait lllloonggggg for to see a single doctor then you end up paying 80-85% of the prescription cost. I think they shouldn't be allowed to pocket so much of the fucking bill thats just not right how is another country doing it better for less and their damn doctors get less??? I have close family members with cancer. Some that aren't with me anymore which changed and continue to change my life forever.

butttt I don't see change occurring anywhere in the near future just to be realistic :( France it is..
 

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I don't think you'd want free free healthcare. In countries that are currently free its shitty care that you have to wait lllloonggggg for to see a single doctor then you end up paying 80-85% of the prescription cost. I think they shouldn't be allowed to pocket so much of the fucking bill thats just not right how is another country doing it better for less and their damn doctors get less??? I have close family members with cancer. Some that aren't with me anymore which changed and continue to change my life forever.

butttt I don't see change occurring anywhere in the near future just to be realistic :( France it is..
In France healthcare is effectively free at the point of use and there is not a for profit structure Mostly that is why doctors get paid less up front. But the French system is very expensive.

Another example is the Netherlands privately run non profit hospitals insurers and so on which works pretty well in my experience. Periodically there are scandals which are used as opportunities to purge the system. There was a big reform a bit over ten years ago, in the Netherlands you pay less than France.

UK healthcare is supposedly not for profit but the profiteers have a thing called PFI which they use to extract profits without risk for money they never had. All the support services and pharmaceutical wholesalers in the UK are also a private cartel. Despite the best efforts of most of the staff the service is appalling and it is a monstrously inefficient organisation.

there are some countries where life expectancy at birth is constantly increasing and some where the rate of increase is decreasing or where life expectancy it is outright decreasing, USA and the UK being ones where it doesn't look so good.

it is an open secret that the pharma companies gouge America, supposedly the arguament goes that if they didn't gouge Americans (who the implication is can afford it) then they wouldn't be able to discover all these new drugs and sell drugs more cheaply to the rest of the world.....
Shire who make vynase are simply remarketing and rebranding a new form of a 130 year old drug and gouging.
 
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I think they shouldn't be allowed to pocket so much of the fucking bill thats just not right how is another country doing it better for less and their damn doctors get less???
the majority of medical costs go to insurance companies and administrators, not the doctors, nurses, and others that actually provide the healthcare services. healthcare costs will go way down and healthcare providers are likely to earn more under a free-at-point-of-service healthcare system

the health insurance racket is designed to bankrupt and kill people in the name of profit
 
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there are some countries where life expectancy at birth is constantly increasing and some where the rate of increase is decreasing or where life expectancy it is outright decreasing, USA and the UK being ones where it doesn't look so good.

it is an open secret that the pharma companies gouge America, supposedly the arguament goes that if they didn't gouge Americans (who the implication is can afford it) then they wouldn't be able to discover all these new drugs and sell drugs more cheaply to the rest of the world.....
Shire who make vynase are simply remarketing and rebranding a new form of a 130 year old drug and gouging.
Yeah they just tweaked the formula a bit so its thee best version of XR adderall essentially. Its the AMG s63 adderall is cool and all but it'd be like the regular e class or whatever they call them over there

Sperm count in males is even going down drastically here in the US. and yup the pharma and doctors and suggested diet in the US are literally all connected. Daily suggested macros are based off cherry picked studies from the 1970s that were NEVER reviewed by a board of physicians. I'm not talking crazy those are facts. Eat the way they tell you to here in the US you'd be slowly poisoning yourself with preservatives and chemicals and carbssss galore
 

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[snip] the health insurance racket is designed to bankrupt and kill people in the name of profit
20%. bullshit. just straight up bullshit. I would never want a free at point of service system, ever. this is better than that would be but still it's like being 2nd to last on a scale of how fraudulent and inefficient your system is.

sorry to hear that. I have an immediate family member with leukemia :( just can't believe it happened to this person of them all. the one person i would literally pray to stay healthy every night before bed. I wish money could solve the problem. I'd give everything I have and everything I could borrow if that was the cost of another month with him. if they needed an eyeball I'd give it. fuck the money. fuck cancer it fucking SUCKSSSS the life out of you. its one thing to see it but when its someone close your whole world stops
 
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I would never want a free at point of service system, ever. this is better than that would be but still it's like being 2nd to last on a scale of how fraudulent and inefficient your system is.
I currently get my healthcare free at the point of service through the Veterans Administration and I think it's pretty great, far better than the private healthcare system I had to deal with beforehand. the VA and Medicare systems will be used as the guideline for the Medicare for All plans being advanced by progressives in the US.

I can also acknowledge that my VA Medical Center is one of the best in the country, and have heard plenty of horror stories from how bad things used to be, and how bad they still are at some VAMCs. basically, like with any other tool or policy, how effective and efficient a free-at-service system is depends on the implementation, and whether the ones running it actually want it to succeed
 

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it is an open secret that the pharma companies gouge America, supposedly the arguament goes that if they didn't gouge Americans (who the implication is can afford it) then they wouldn't be able to discover all these new drugs and sell drugs more cheaply to the rest of the world.....
Shire who make vynase are simply remarketing and rebranding a new form of a 130 year old drug and gouging.
Yeah nice excuse, except they don't sell them cheaply to anyone, and even if they did, it would be just to get everyone dependent on their form of remedies.
 

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I'm 101% pro-single payer at this point. It's really an idea who's time has come here in the USA, IMO (somewhat embarrassingly considering what every other comparably developed country in the world has done, and with much less wealth than the USA has) and it'll definitely be one of the 2 main policy issues I'll be basing my vote on in national politics (the other issue being the environment/"climate action")

The private health insurance has stolen soooo much money from the American people through fraudulent billing of Medicare etc, it's one of the most lucrative scams ever probably. "Billions and billions and billions" to quote the Dear Leader. Any yet the single-payer people are still asked, "how you gonna pay for it lol?" LOL. Americans spend more money one healthcare than the citizens of all these other developed nations, and with less healthcare system efficacy and poorer health outcomes to boot! Where are we gonna find LESS money to spend on this? The amount of propaganda that's spread on this issue is hilarious but not at all surprising
 

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I currently get my healthcare free at the point of service through the Veterans Administration and I think it's pretty great, far better than the private healthcare system I had to deal with beforehand. the VA and Medicare systems will be used as the guideline for the Medicare for All plans being advanced by progressives in the US.

I can also acknowledge that my VA Medical Center is one of the best in the country, and have heard plenty of horror stories from how bad things used to be, and how bad they still are at some VAMCs. basically, like with any other tool or policy, how effective and efficient a free-at-service system is depends on the implementation, and whether the ones running it actually want it to succeed
Sorry you misunderstood me. You deserve it and you get it for free for that reason. I mean national free health care for anyone at all.
 

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I'm 101% pro-single payer at this point. It's really an idea who's time has come here in the USA, IMO (somewhat embarrassingly considering what every other comparably developed country in the world has done, and with much less wealth than the USA has) and it'll definitely be one of the 2 main policy issues I'll be basing my vote on in national politics (the other issue being the environment/"climate action")

The private health insurance has stolen soooo much money from the American people through fraudulent billing of Medicare etc, it's one of the most lucrative scams ever probably. "Billions and billions and billions" to quote the Dear Leader. Any yet the single-payer people are still asked, "how you gonna pay for it lol?" LOL. Americans spend more money one healthcare than the citizens of all these other developed nations, and with less healthcare system efficacy and poorer health outcomes to boot! Where are we gonna find LESS money to spend on this? The amount of propaganda that's spread on this issue is hilarious but not at all surprising
Well said bro. Didn't mean to call you stupid in the other thread lol. You are clearly well educated and we are on the same exact page; just a sensitive area for me. Unfortunately I can't just get up and leave but I am aware of what's going on around me. It is not surprising at all. All the lobbyists get paid off. Everything is corrupt in this country there is no truth left. Governments are notorious to not give AF about their people but this is just straight up ski-mask robbery status and they're watching innocent middle class hard working families, squirm.

Peace
 

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and I think they all deserve it. murder through neglect is still murder
I disagree. I think people that can afford it rightfully should have the access, at least, to private care or care of their choice whether it's a better hospital or a shorter wait or a combination of both. There are numerous programs outside of VA that provide a lot of assistance if they not complete financial aid, as long as you can prove you need it that bad (maximum household salary a lot of the time). If you think everyone, no matter what, deserves the same healthcare, well that's just not fair and is closer to a socialism-like country that 19 times out of 20, will lack freedom of speech. You will have lower quality care, it will take you 8 hours minimum, the average is higher, to get seen by any ER physician, of course relative to the situation but if that's the average you have to stop and think for a second. Also, add in paying 80%+ prescription out of pocket. You say that now but if you had to deal with those circumstances in another country (since it's never happening in this one, not in our lifetimes let's be real), you'd be on the next plane back to the states and I'd bet my house and everything I can borrow on that statement.

I'm on your side too. I just feel like you're looking at it the wrong way. What do I know though? My opinion is only my opinion, I can only hope you find logic in it. I'm not here to debate.

I just like to do anything but victimize myself. Even if I am the victim, for the sake of the quality of life I live.
 

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'm not sitting here raving for free health care or any crap like that. 8 hour waits and ridiculous prescription pricing and lower quality care with below average and dirty instruments/machinery. fuckkk that.

Insurance companies in the US have it good. I bet most of you are unaware. Insurance companies in the US are legally entitled to 20% of the hospital bill (profit). The #1 healthcare system in the world and one of the countries with a very high life expectancy, is known internationally to be France. In France, insurance companies are allowed to keep 5% of the bill. FIVE PERCENT AS OPPOSED TO 20. They profit four times as much in the US for what? corrupt horse SHIT on a fucking plate that's what.
UK has NHS, free healthcare seem's not that bad looking from the outside.

ANYWAYS, I LITERALLY heard the nurse and a doctor (he had a lab coat on and a clipboard like all my other doctors) say:

"what's he at?"

"twenty one thousand 5 days"

"have him stay for a few more days"

I won't get religious here but I swear on everything I love and my families lives I heard this VERBATIM 10 FEET AWAY FROM MY BED. Dumb fucks thought I was deaf or something. I was on no medication FYI aside from morphine which I couldn't even feel because the pain did fucking laps around it and the vicodin they were giving me.
We have shortage's for bed's, medical personal and aftercare. So not persee a bad point, keeping you longer. But not the good reason, earning more money.

My vyvanse prescription is $1200 a month. TWELVE FUCKING HUNDRED. for 30 pills. Why? Shire has a patent on it and there is no generic. Of course my insurance helps but there's still a nice chunk left over for me to fork over every month. When a drug is released, a patent usually comes alone with it so other generic manufacturers cannot replicate it until the patent expiration date. Until then, if you made some good shit (or anything that patients need for an illness anywhere in the world), you get to charge whatever the f you want.
Brandname DextroAmphetamin was introduced to the market in NL by Amfexa 2018 somewhere.

It was till end 2019 at least not covered by any insurance. My prescription for that was alway's pharmacy made till then and free of cost. The Amfexa would cost the nice sum of 300 Euro a month +/--es. Not outrageously high like Vyvanse, but a lot of cash. To much for a lot of people who discontinued swiching either Methylphenidate. Or using the same bypass I did.

Take into account I allready pay 150,- /month insurance and 40,- for your own risk.
 

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UK has NHS, free healthcare seem's not that bad looking from the outside.



We have shortage's for bed's, medical personal and aftercare. So not persee a bad point, keeping you longer. But not the good reason, earning more money.



Brandname DextroAmphetamin was introduced to the market in NL by Amfexa 2018 somewhere.

It was till end 2019 at least not covered by any insurance. My prescription for that was alway's pharmacy made till then and free of cost. The Amfexa would cost the nice sum of 300 Euro a month +/--es. Not outrageously high like Vyvanse, but a lot of cash. To much for a lot of people who discontinued swiching either Methylphenidate. Or using the same bypass I did.

Take into account I allready pay 150,- /month insurance and 40,- for your own risk.
Is it like this in all of Benelux or just NL? Friends in Germany and the UK have said how with private insurance if you are wealthy that the medical care is always going to be far better than the national health services and care you receive. It is like this in most countries.

I found this map of the Netherlands, why does it claim there are lots of suicidal kids in West Friesland?


I also read these news articles about a suicidal woman.


I understand if someone has a terminal disease, or major chronic pain, but euthanasia because of mental illness or depression or other mental illnesses is taking it too far.

I hope this woman is at peace.

 
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Not hospital, the system, nothin new. Two years ago they killed my grandma, she was old, 86, she was still workin at that age..... at a church, if it weren't for the doctors she would be 90 some now, as old as she was she was very healthy. Never drank, never smoked, if there's a God may you punish those doctors. But there's no need, they punish themselves, they eat their own illusion.
 

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Is it like this in all of Benelux or just NL? Friends in Germany and the UK have said how with private insurance if you are wealthy that the medical care is always going to be far better than the national health services and care you receive. It is like this in most countries.

I found this map of the Netherlands, why does it claim there are lots of suicidal kids in West Friesland?


I also read these news articles about a suicidal woman.


I understand if someone has a terminal disease, or major chronic pain, but euthanasia because of mental illness or depression or other mental illnesses is taking it too far.

I hope this woman is at peace.

Euthanasia for psychological suffering is a debate that requires a véry nuanced stance and should be based on a case to case basis. Some things can't be judged from articles.

What do you mean 'why does it claim there are a lot of suicidal kids?' because there probably are? There are reasons, what is your point?
 

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There was an interesting article in "The New Yorker" a while back about a Belgian woman who suffered from depression and requested an assisted suicide (which was granted after several psychiatrists signed off on it).


I'm generally in favor of assisted suicide but...I also think it's a complex, multifaceted issue.
 

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I am. healthcare should never be run for profit. health insurance is a scam, and people go bankrupt far too often because of medical bills. it's disgusting. people are being murdered via price gouging and insurance withholding funds for essential care that the policy holder paid to have coverage for, regularly

this has got to change
Bah, and I so nearly agreed with you. :(

Health care costs money. It costs resources, it just does. The problem is not that health treatment costs money, it's that anyone in a wealthy country like America should be left untreated just because they can't afford it.

That's morally wrong. Anyone who thinks it's OK is probably not someone I'm gonna get along with because I think it's heartless and disgustingly self centered.

But neither do I want a singular health care system that I have absolutely no ability to opt out of. Not treating people who can't afford it is wrong. But neither do I like the idea that someone should get worse treatment or have to go through piles of waiting simply because it would be unfair to let them pay for it themselves. That's just as bullshit.

Fortunately many countries do, more or less exactly what I'm in favor of already. I sometimes rant about Australia and all the things I dislike about how it works over the US. But this is one area where I think Australia is vastly superior.

The only thing I might change is some kind of means testing where cost of treatment is relative to income. But Australia also has something somewhat in the ballpark of that via health care cards.
 
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