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Transgender and gender identity discussion

DeadManWalkin'

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I think what you describe could play out in America (or at least in Red States). However in the rest of the english speaking world like Canada, Australia and UK I am not so sure.

The woke control much of the State in these countries including even some parts of the police in the UK.
It's perfectly possible in UK i think. People over there are really mad. So much immigration has caused housing prices to go up and wages go down. America has huge influence over UK and if something like what i explained happened in America it might cause a chain reaction, like how Trump caused Bolsenaro, maybe even fueled the Brexit.
If something like that happened in red states they would take control of the blue states in matter of days. Yes, the police in UK has been cucked but it's not irreversible.
 

Atelier3

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In the UK if you say publicly that transwomen are not real women the police will come to your house and warn you against hate crimes. Then you will lose your job even in the private sector - there are dozens of cases like this.

There is a good online magazine called Spiked that keeps track of how fucked up things are getting in the UK. I did just read that Boris Johnson has made it more difficult to simply self-identify as trans so maybe the backlash has started there.
 

DeadManWalkin'

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Your inability to distinguish the difference between politics and sexual identification is discusting.


Get laid you filth.
I actually get laid daily, i wish you would too. By cucked i mean that they are watching by the side, while their departments are being fucked, which is exactly what cucking is. Well, depends of if you like it or not, but if you didn't you would probably do something about it.
 

DeadManWalkin'

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In the UK if you say publicly that transwomen are not real women the police will come to your house and warn you against hate crimes. Then you will lose your job even in the private sector - there are dozens of cases like this.

There is a good online magazine called Spiked that keeps track of how fucked up things are getting in the UK. I did just read that Boris Johnson has made it more difficult to simply self-identify as trans so maybe the backlash has started there.
Yes, i know that UK has abolished every bit of free speech they had there. The one guy got arrested for making his dog do roman salute and he put it in youtube. I don't really like Boris Johnson personality, but the fact that somebody like him has been voted to power to counter the shit going on tells very much about the situation.
 

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^ go to bed, both of you
In the UK if you say publicly that transwomen are not real women the police will come to your house and warn you against hate crimes.
If you get a big following on Twitter -- which doesn't just happen by accident -- and broadcast dumb shit you'll get in trouble. Those trolls went out seeking attention and got more than they bargained for.

If you want to be a public figure, you'll be treated like one.
 

Atelier3

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Those trolls went out seeking attention and got more than they bargained for.
Not all these cases were trolling. Some people seem to genuinely believe that people with penises are not women, and definitely not lesbians, and to further believe that the question of whether they are or not is one that needs to up for public discussion.

Merely attempting to have that discussion is not a police matter or a reason for someone to be threatened with actual violence.
 

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Not all these cases were trolling. Some people seem to genuinely believe that people with penises are not women
Like I said, if you make yourself a public figure and broadcast dumb shit, you've accepted the consequences.

If you do or don't want to date people based on their genitals, you're... normal. Pretty much everyone expects something of their partner's genitalia. Most of the people posting in this thread would not want to date someone with no genitals. If you want to create community spaces for people based on the circumstances of their birth or the condition of their genitals (or anything else for that matter), then... well, maybe that can be discussed. I wouldn't be accepted in every "male" space, and I was born male.

But when you use a public soapbox to convey this as a rejection of people's identity going against decades of medical experience with gender dysphoria, you're just an asshole and you deserve what's coming to you. I don't know why the police get involved in any particular case and I can't analyze without information. However, when people suffer social consequences for being loudly antisocial, the system is merely working as designed.
 

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If a trans woman goes in for a cervical exam or a pregnancy test and the doctor has to pretend that is accurate then we've crossed the line.

Crowder showed an example of this when he dressed as a trans and went to an abortion clinic. His pregnancy test came back positive and the employee there had to pretend he was a biological female instead of informing him that if a biological male tests positive for a birth control test then it could point to some type of serious cancer.
 

phenethylo J

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^ I'm pretty sure only a very tiny percentage of transwoman do attention seeking crap like that.
 

JGrimez

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^the issue is that this type of behavior is being normalized and accepted within the medical community. Professionals are being instructed to coddle patients and value comfortable delusion over medical truth (there's a fine line there within this debate). I even feel sorry for trans people because I do not believe that the trans activists have their best interests at heart. Same reason why I criticize the LGBTQ community. It's not because I have any problem with LGBTQ people it's simply that I have problems with that specific political movement.

We should really separate the people and the movement
 

Atelier3

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We should really separate the people and the movement
Well said. There are ideas and ideology at work that are causing massive social change and people should have the freedom to debate those changes by addressing the ideas and ideology without anybody feeling their identity had been invalidated to the point of suicide being the only option.

Plus the whole ‘can’t talk about it or else the trans kids will kill themselves’ line is based on very scant evidence.
 

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Since I’m here now, have we talked about how trans identification in kids is often a result of social contagion? So not wrong body dysphoria and more about peer group identification than sex/gender identification.

I have a friend with a trans kid whose whole peer group all decided they were gender diverse when they turned 13. All the cool kids are doing it, which would be fine if the medical establishment didn’t then commoditise and exploit teenage explorations and confusion and the ideologues didn’t pump up the hysteria level and so everything they can to lock in candidates for permanent transition.
 

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Group identification, collective responsibility etc. are things that shouldn't be accepted.
So you would agree that group identity can cause unhealthy assumptions about individuals and things like the Boy Scouts of America should include girls? Do you have any gender identity groups you were apart of or did you just not really think much about it as a kid or an adult?

It's interesting how so many people have opinions on other people's kids, childhood and upbringing but as soon as I ask some people here for their own experiences they suddenly don't have any to share. It's almost as if all these political discussions have stolen their own childhood from them. My childhood wasn't easy but there are really unique things I can at least share about it.

Another childhood memory I have is reading and watching a show called the X-Men. A group identity of people who identified themselves as different from the majority of the rest of the world. They were called mutants and worse for being different and feared and looked down by their own people including the President of the United States.

It's understandable how the LGBT community might support a more modern take on the series now that Fox and Disney have merged. The Change.org petition is currently over 5k signatures to hire Dominique Jackson for a lead role as Storm, one of my beloved and favorite X-Men.







They literally have X-Men in their name. Identity politics have been in our mainstream since the dawning of time. Get over it.
 

DeadManWalkin'

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So you would agree that group identity can cause unhealthy assumptions about individuals and things like the Boy Scouts of America should include girls? Do you have any gender identity groups you were apart of or did you just not really think much about it as a kid or an adult?

It's interesting how so many people have opinions on other people's kids, childhood and upbringing but as soon as I ask some people here for their own experiences they suddenly don't have any to share. It's almost as if all these political discussions have stolen their own childhood from them. My childhood wasn't easy but there are really unique things I can at least share about it.

Another childhood memory I have is reading and watching a show called the X-Men. A group identity of people who identified themselves as different from the majority of the rest of the world. They were called mutants and worse for being different and feared and looked down by their own people including the President of the United States.

It's understandable how the LGBT community might support a more modern take on the series now that Fox and Disney have merged. The Change.org petition is currently over 5k signatures to hire Dominique Jackson for a lead role as Storm, one of my beloved and favorite X-Men.







They literally have X-Men in their name. Identity politics have been in our mainstream since the dawning of time. Get over it.
Boy scouts should never allow girls. Girls have their own clubs. Boys start acting out when they see girls, even little boys. It's better for them to be with boy club so they act like boys and are better discliplined.
I thought about those things, since my brother was always doing these girly things so he made me think about it a lot but he never turned out to be a trans, just gay. Never had any problem myself. I remember that i had long hair when i was young and some older dude attacked me in bathroom telling i'm a faggot and should go to girls WC, but really i was just lil metalhead.
I never belonged to any exclusive boy club, maybe my friend group when i was like 7 :D
What i mean by group identification was that someone thinking you should have X opinions because of your color of skin or sexuality, you are racist because you are X color of skin, you should be ashamed of your skin color because of your ancestors. I believe in individualism and personal responsibility. Sorry if my comments are bit very clear.
This changing of white charters to black is giving blacks the sloppy seconds and it's just stealing white charters and making them black to make white people mad and to look woke. They had Luke Cage, originally black and well respected charter - you think people will respect black woman as James Bond? Little Mermaid? Destroyed and degenerate.
 
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