Yea and most people don't take 700 mg their first day of using tramadol. Combine that with the fact that pssd, especially from a few doses, is already rare, and is not even recognized by doctors, and it is perfectly believable that it has happened to me and possibly even other people who have had their symptoms dismissed as psychological and that I have absolutely horrible luck. Doctors aren't perfect.Tramadol has been prescribed for years and years now. Something as serious, like permanent brain damage, as you claim happened to you, would have been reported after all of these years. Permanent brain damage is a serious side effect. Tramadol has some nasty side effects, but permanent brain damage isn’t one of them. Something like that would have been seen after all of these years tramadol has been prescribed.
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Tramadol gave me pssd.
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Look, I’m a scientist, I actually write studies.
The chances you have PSSD from your use of tramadol is so minuscule it’s ridiculous. You’re more likely to win the lottery.
Seriously…
This thread is going nowhere but in circles. If your point was to warn people of a possible side effect then you’ve done it but I really see no reason that this thread is left open to repeat the same shit over and over.
Like i said, best of luck to you.
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All it takes is for one person to post erroneous links between a drug and a symptom online for others with similar symptoms to flock to it and claim the same thing without anyone ever having diagnostic proof. That's how gangstalking is so prevalent and perpetuated with undiagnosed schizophrenia patients and Electromagnetic sensitivity communities formed.
Tell all of this to the people who have pssd and who have had brain scans that show nothing, ruled out all other causes and still have all of these symptoms for years that started directly after use of antidepressants. You do understand that brain scans do not show all forms of brain damage? Brain damage can occur on a cellular level and no scan can show that. Only post mortem analysis can show some forms of brain damage. There are people diagnosed by medical professionals with hypoxic injuries who have normal brain scans. Once again, doctors are not perfect.
So you think all of these people with lasting sexual side effects after antidepressant use actually have no real disorder at all? Pssd was recognized by European medicine three years ago.
Now you are spreading misinformation about MRIs. MRIs often fail to pick up on minor traumatic brain injury because they only pick up on structural damage. There are plenty of cases of people who have diffuse brain injury who will have a normal MRI because the brain injury did not cause any obvious structural damage. To say MRI shows damage on a cellular level is false.MRI scans absolutely show brain damage on a cellular level. Listen dude believe what you want, but don’t go on these harm reduction boards and warn people not to take tramadol and antidepressants because they cause brain damage. They do not.
Well they can either believe the people like me and countless others who are suffering from disabilities after using antidepressants who were fine beforehand and ruled out any other cause, or they can believe you and other people who are not suffering from these symptoms. I have already provided proof that cases of PSSD from very limited exposure to antidepressants is a real phenomenon. These cases are mentioned in the scientific article I posted earlier. Look up what Doctor David Healy has to say about it. They could also choose not to believe people on online communities who report pssd symptoms after using antidepressants and a good number of them who only used antidepressants once or a few times. This isn't fear mongering it is very real and destroys lives and often doesn't just involve sexual side effects. Many have already committed suicide as a result of the damage caused by antidepressants.MRI scans absolutely show brain damage on a cellular level. Listen dude believe what you want, but don’t go on these harm reduction boards and warn people not to take tramadol and antidepressants because they cause brain damage. They do not.
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So now your blaming antidepressants? I see
Yes, tramadol is an SNRI antidepressant. It isn't just an opioid.
You have not. That article you posted was not a scientific article, it was someone’s opinion. Opinions are not proof.
I have a question, have you been to the doctor and told them about the seriousness of these symptoms? If so, what was their opinion? If you haven’t gone to get checked out, than I suggest you definitely should. It sounds awful what you are experiencing, and I’m not making light of that. You even say that these symptoms have you contemplating suicide. Please go to a doctor and get their opinion, and not rely on the highly inaccurate information you find on the internet.
Citizen petition: Sexual side effects of SSRIs and SNRIs
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I have been to a doctor and they cannot explain my symptoms. Psychosomatic, of course, is the diagnosis. Which doesn't explain why I didn't have these symptoms before the tramadol, and why I had the symptoms before I even heard of PSSD.
Yea but I didn't just take one dose. I took 700 mg the first day over the course of the day, which really is just a bunch of doses spread out, about 300 the next day and 100 the last day, I should have included that in my original post. That is multiple doses over three days. There is a case in that study of someone acquiring long term sexual dysfunction after 3 days of treatment. So it absolutely can apply in my case.
From the study:All of people included in that study were on SSRI/SNRI drugs for a lot longer than just a day or two. What you are referring to is this lady, notice in bold:
• A 27-year-old female who described having a very high libido since puberty, developed a dramatic loss of libido, reduced genital and nipple sensitivity, and anorgasmia within three days of using fluoxetine. After discontinuing the drug seven months later
There is not proof of anyone having permanent brain damage from taking these drugs, let alone from only taking them for a day or two.
This is in no way justification for your claims.
The reported drugs were escitalopram (n = 42), citalopram (n = 41), paroxetine (n = 40), sertraline (n = 32), fluoxetine (n = 31), venlafaxine (n = 19), duloxetine (n = 10), fluvoxamine (n = 2), vortioxetine (n = 2), clomipramine (n = 1), and desvenlafaxine (n = 1). Fifteen subjects reported that the duration of drug exposure had been less than two weeks.
A 30-year-old male experienced a severe drop in sexual desire, moderate erectile dysfunction, difficulty reaching orgasm with a long refractory time, reduced ejaculate volume, and genital anesthesia within four to five days of starting sertraline. The drug was discontinued after five weeks, but the problems remained unchanged several years later. Sildenafil, supplemental testosterone, and herbal remedies were tried but without success.
Those are exactly my symptoms. It is foolish to believe that if he discontinued use before the 5 weeks, that he would have recovered function.
There were 13 male subjects and six female, aged from 20 to 59 years. Duration of treatment ranged from 9 days to 10 years, and the time since stopping the drug and still experiencing sexual side effects ranged from two months to two years.
The shortest duration of treatment was 4 days of sertraline. The longest time since stopping an SSRI and still experiencing sexual side effects was 16 years.
I also don't understand why you refuse to believe the many people online who report sexual dysfunction and other side effects that persist after very short term use of antidepressants. How do you explain that?All of people included in that study were on SSRI/SNRI drugs for a lot longer than just a day or two. What you are referring to is this lady, notice in bold:
• A 27-year-old female who described having a very high libido since puberty, developed a dramatic loss of libido, reduced genital and nipple sensitivity, and anorgasmia within three days of using fluoxetine. After discontinuing the drug seven months later
There is not proof of anyone having permanent brain damage from taking these drugs, let alone from only taking them for a day or two.
This is in no way justification for your claims.
Stop cherrypicking, read the rest of my post.
The shortest duration of treatment was 4 days of sertraline. The longest time since stopping an SSRI and still experiencing sexual side effects was 16 years.
The most likely explanation for my persistent symptoms is PSSD. Period. Also, you still haven't explained the many people online who claim to have pssd from a few doses or even one dose. What is your explanation for that? Are all of these people lying? Do they not exist? Is it a conspiracy by naturopaths to discourage people from using antidepressants? I want you to explain it.
Also, search the words "PSSD one pill" on Google and click on the first link, it is a pdf. It describes a woman who has brain damage that was proven by a brain scan. She only took 11 pills of an antidepressant. Some people's brains respond catastrophically to these drugs. Years from now when research discovers why, the pharmaceutical industry and doctors are going to have a big problem on their hands
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Sorry to hear that man. Have you consulted with a doctor? Your timeline is a little fuzzy in the original post - how long ago was this?
I've read about PSSD induced by longer runs on SSRI's, but never from a few occasions of Tramadol. Most people I know on heavier opioids started on Tramadol (it's probably the most abused and prevalent "opioid" here) and I've never heard of lasting effects on libido or sexual performance.
I gobbled it down by the grams daily for a long time without getting any lingering side-effects.
I would contact a doctor. We live in the age of penis-pumps and Viagra, excessive amounts of porn and hook-up apps - this can be fixed.
Please, contact someone professional to talk to instead of entertaining the suicidal ideations.
I've read about PSSD induced by longer runs on SSRI's, but never from a few occasions of Tramadol. Most people I know on heavier opioids started on Tramadol (it's probably the most abused and prevalent "opioid" here) and I've never heard of lasting effects on libido or sexual performance.
I gobbled it down by the grams daily for a long time without getting any lingering side-effects.
I would contact a doctor. We live in the age of penis-pumps and Viagra, excessive amounts of porn and hook-up apps - this can be fixed.
Please, contact someone professional to talk to instead of entertaining the suicidal ideations.
Your experience with Zoloft is an example in itself of how much variation there is in how people respond to antidepressants. Some people feel fine sooner after coming off them than you did. Why did you take a year? Because your brain responds a certain way to Zoloft. For some people it seems, horrible brain injury or at least symptoms resembling it can occur and relatively quickly it seems. That is why these drugs are so dangerous, because the way they affect people's physiology is not standardized and homogenous. There is too much variation in how the brain responds to these chemicals. If everybody responded the same way, then you could say these drugs are safe. But everybody responds so differently. It is medically irresponsible to even allow any drug that behaves in the way antidepressants do to be prescribed. We clearly don't fully understand how they work yet and the full scope of side effects.
I have seen a doctor and there is no explanation for my symptoms. I took the tramadol for three days on may 30. So this was almost 4 months ago. I've endured 4 months of pure hell. I must just have incredibly bad luck. There are people on online forums who claim to have PSSD from a single dose or a few doses of antidepressants. Tramadol is an SNRI and these can cause PSSD as well. There is a guy in Britain who used tramadol for 7 months and lost his ability to feel the euphoric effects of alcohol and also has sexual dysfunction, so it is possible from tramadol but it just must be extremely rare.