Opioids The Ultimate Guide for Those Taking or Thinking About Taking Opiates

[Ano.Smith]

There are many guides/threads out there that address how to take Oxycodone (Oxy) or other opiates, and there are even more threads out there by people that ask how, where and what to do. I’m here to try and address the latter and I’m sure most readers will appreciate what I have to say.


First off I have a little message to the readers. I’m going to try and keep this thread as short as possible to not bore you, so please do read the whole thing, I guarantee you that you will not regret reading it by the time you reach the end.


Ok here we go. So most of the people that will be reading this are going to be those who are searching for answers regarding their next use.


Here are a few questions they will be asking (Oxycodone is used as an example):

• Is it safe to try oxycodone?
• Will I be addicted to oxycodone after my first time trying?
• Is it safe to take oxycodone once a month?
• Is it safe to take oxycodone once every few weeks?
• Is it safe to take oxycodone once every two weeks?
• Is it safe to take oxycodone once a week?
• Is it safe to take 20mg for first time?
• Is it safe to take 30mg for first time?
• Is it safe to take 10mg for the first time?
• Am I addicted to oxycodone?
• How to prevent oxycodone addiction?

Note: This does not only apply to Oxy but applies to all opiates.


Of course the questions that follow become much more dramatic and most will be set on a path of no coming back if they have not already reached that threshold already.


Please do not think of this as a drug bashing thread, instead just think of it as an eye opener because I swear to you this is something I personally needed to read when I was in your shoes.


Heres the issue:


Majority of people on this path have the exact same thought process, just like you and me (and I’ll explain this in a way you’ll believe shortly). Ninety-nine percent of people doing their online research are lurkers just like I was and just like you are. They are a huge number of people that simply won’t post their questions nor will they post their experiences, which makes it hard for others to learn. Majority will also think that if the the answers provided on forums aren’t precise to the question in their mind then it isn’t an answer they’re will to accept (thus the search goes on). I know these things because they were the thoughts I had that weren’t explained to me in this detail when I was doing my research.


I want to tackle a misconception that is told to people looking to try the drug for the first time. This is about the way opiates make you feel. This is what I thought I’d feel when I first tried oxycodone.


I thought:

• I’m going to feel like I’m in heaven (whatever that meant).
• I’m going to be extremely happy and euphoric.
• I’m going to have an amazing time.
• I’m going to nod (whatever this meant as well).

In reality these are exaggerations and are only partially true. Heres what the true feeling is like (I’ll try to point everything I recall).

• First of all, if you’re the cautious type that starts with a small dose then forget about the nod (it CAN happen, but nothing like the craziness people explain it to be).
• Opiates in general are hardcore painkillers, and thats no exaggeration. If you’re not cautious about your activities or movement then expect bruises on random spots on your body. You might also have sore joints or muscles due to improper sitting or resting (such as sore arms, elbows, legs etc.).
• You’ll feel a happiness that can only be described as a natural happiness. Basically for the duration of the drug you’ll feel a happiness that will feel very similar to that of when you’re having a genuine good time. Except this feeling will be ongoing for the duration of the drug regardless of what you’re doing.
• All emotions that are not happiness will almost cease to exist (not necessarily a good thing because this a strong addiction factor). Meaning no feelings of sadness, anger, empathy, stress etc. Everyone around you could be pissed or sad about something but you’ll just feel “normal”, as if nothing has happened. Its hard to grasp the head around but if “no fucks given” was a feeling, thats exactly what it would feel like.
• You’ll become extremely social and more trusting towards other (this can lead to decisions or conversations that are deemed irrational while sober).

Also here are some physical side-effects you're probably aware off:

• An itch will most likely develop (I found it very annoying but would put up with it).
• A possibility of nauseousness depending on dose and tolerance (I found that inducing vomit after I was sure the pill was absorbed to be 100x better than trying to fight it off).

Heres my thought and opinion regarding the “nod”: I’ve experienced a true nod once and the best way to try and explain it is its this uncontrollable feeling to fall asleep no matter what you’re doing. Its also considered a light sleep since waking up is just as easy as falling asleep, hence it being named a nod (the state of being both asleep and awake). I personally did not enjoy this experience as I don’t like being uncontrollably sleepy or asleep for hours. Also, fighting the urge to sleep ruins the high because you’ll be in a state of sluggish thoughts and no motivation.


Alright lets move on.


So most of the readers this is aimed at fall into three categories.

• Those who want to know more about this drug and its addiction potential to prepare for their first use.
• Those who have already tried and are now trying to find the safe way to do things in order to avoid addiction.
• Those who are at the edge of entering physical withdrawal addiction.

Each of you know who you are, and everything in this thread applies to all of you.


I’m going to make a list of the events and experiences that happened to me to spare you the long details of my story that you might not be interested in:

• The very first thing I’ll point out is about online answer seeking. Me and people that have been through your shoes know that searchers are usually looking for people to tell them “its ok to use more time”, and you’ll always find at least one person on every forum who will point out the original poster on this. But me and you (you being the person asking the question) know its a little more complicated than that. Next point will explain.
• From experience, I know that when people try to seek answers they want an exact answer for the exact question they’re asking. Example: The user has 40mg of Oxy and wants to know if he can safely take 20mg and then the other 20mg two days later. Unfortunately no one has made a question this specific so theres no answer to this. What he can find is closely related threads. Problem is, most answers on the those threads tell him its a bad idea and that he’s treading on a thin line. Good thing for him though is those answers weren’t specific to his question so it doesn’t apply to him. So he’ll just have to find out for himself in the name of science (this was sarcasm by the way so please don't do this, please just keep reading through the thread).
• This is a problematic thought process that eases the path to addiction. I'm just here to bring it your attention so you become aware.
• When people say don’t even try this drug because it creeps up on you, they don’t put enough detail in that statement to make the average person understand it. What happens is this drug works on the subconscious level. This means the thought of using again whether in a week, month or year won’t seem like an external thought. Instead its going to be a thought you present to yourself which in your mind will seem rational making it harder to just ignore. Heres an example: When you become hungry you don't usually ask yourself if you should go eat. Instead you'll be asking yourself what should I eat. Basically you've already made the decision to eat without even thinking about it, opiates work on that very same level.
• When people say be careful or else you’ll become an addict, they don’t mean the stage of trying to find another pill to prevent withdrawal. Those people are way past the stage of addiction.
• Addiction starts when you start ignoring/forgetting about the very first rules you put for yourself regarding your first use. Once you begin mentally justifying your next use, no matter what the reason is, you have become an addict.
• Time between uses will always seem very slow. I’m sure every user relates to this so let me explain. You decide you’ll only take once every two weeks for example. After 5-7 days from taking have passed, it’ll seem like its been a very long time since you last took. So mentally you’ll feel like 2 weeks have surely passed. You check the calendar and realise its barely even been a week. This is one the biggest addiction factors. Everyone will feel the time between uses to be longer than it actually is which eventually causes more frequent uses.
• I started off with the mindset that I’ll only do this drug once to find out what the fuss was about and then never touch it again.
• I took an oath to myself that it would be once and never again.
• It took a few months before I used again, but nonetheless I did. The thought that sparked it seemed so natural and I was convinced that I’m not like the others and would not allow myself to fall on the path of addiction because I was smarter than that.
• When I decided to use that second time, in my mind I literarily thought it must have been around 5 or 6 months since I first used. Problem was, not even 2 months had passed in reality.
• A thing we don’t take into account is the power of having the “fuck it” mindset. Its a very simple spur of the moment thing that no one can say they’re immune to. You might think its easy to say no to thoughts but what happens when its you presenting the idea to yourself? When that internal conflict happens?
• If you promised yourself “never again” and then find yourself having an internal conflict, we both know you weren’t being honest to yourself. You have to be hardwired against using and there has to be no leeway. Thats the only true way you’ll be safe.
• About a month down the road, I ended up using a handful of times more with the last time being closer to each other than I would have liked.

So here is the deal breaker that decided how I set my course.


I had finally come to my wits (harder than you’d expect it to be) and realised that with time I had broken all the rules that I had set for myself and had begun falling into the path others were always warning me about. I realised this was getting ridiculous and I needed to stop. The problem was I still had about 30mg IR oxycodone and 10 tramadols.


The dilemma began. My instant thought was flush them down the toilet and be done with it. I then thought about how much these pills cost me, and that maybe I could sell them instead. I didn’t like the idea of selling them so I quickly jumped to the idea of giving them away to friends. I wasn’t too comfortable with that idea since I didn’t want to cause an addiction in someone I love. So of course the only rational thought left was to use them and then never use again.


Thats the moment everything clicked. I realised that that very thought is what keeps you in the spiral. If every time you quit you end your dose on the thought of it being your last dose, what will stop the next one from being your last as well? Its a mental chain that must be broken. I knew I had to throw them out in that moment and truely say never again, else I can keeping them knowing its very possible to subconsciously relapse one day.


So thats exactly whats I did. I said fuck it, got out of my bed and flushed all the pills down the toilet and vowed to never buy or take them again unless a doctor was prescribing them for pain.

Honest talk:
Everyone that is currently using, has used or is thinking about using for the first time started (or will start) from the same place. Those who are doing their research about trying for the first time, I take it that you’re planning on doing it once to know the feeling and then never again? Those of you searching about the safety of doing this drug X amount of times every X period of time, I take it you also started with the idea of only doing it once? And now you’re trying to integrate this in your life somehow? Thats the agreed problem with this drug everyone warns you about. You are your brain and the brain loves this drug. So its very obvious the thought of using again will seem so natural and normal because your brain sugar coats it. To truely not use again you need to not want to use again. If there is even the slightest sliver of thought that “maybe I’ll try this again in the future”, then the thought of using will lurk hidden in your subconscious and will pop up much sooner than you anticipate. Thats the path to addiction.


So heres a simple answer/reminder for my conclusion.


For those of you not living a misery life (like me):

• If you’re currently using and not physically dependant, do you not remember the good days of having fun while sober? I’m pretty sure you had fun while sober so don’t think its not possible without the drug.
• If you’re thinking about using, believe me the fuss is not worth it. It isn’t this heavenly drug they make it seem, and you’ll live a much happier life knowing that your brain isn’t subconsciously chasing this drug. You’re not missing out on anything.

For those of you not living a very happy life:

• If you’re using to get away from the ugliness, can you imagine all that ugliness + the pain of withdrawal + the brokenness from buying drugs + losing all your beloved + not being able to get that high anymore?
• If you’re thinking of using to drown emotions and get away, remember we’re humans, without emotions what are we? When you’re low theres only one way left to go, and thats up. So please don’t take that option away from yourself and get caught up in an addiction. Because all off a sudden you’ll find that there is another way down, and thats through digging your own grave under your feet.

 

[Bmoredawg4139]

great read bro

 

[Ksa]

I'm impressed with the read, just when you think a 1 post multi-account is about to spam the forum you discover a great thread. I can relate to some things but in a different way. It is true that, thinking about my childhood, I had great moments, for sure I had fun, I can't deny that, but I ALWAYS felt that what I was getting was a sample, like it was just a taste, you know, like they give you a small sample of guacamole chips at COSTCO, so that you buy the 1KG bag. It's like I could feel the bag was inside of me and I didn't understand why...why was I getting 1 bite, it's like, it was almost frustrating. Benefits minus withdrawals, 99.5% of the good moments I lived were under the influence, 0.5% it was legitimate fun. Sure, I did enjoy Christmas gifts the Christmas morning when I was a child, but the pleasure...it was nothing to wake up in cold sweats the night after, and 2 hours later I was bored again, so there was nothing there.

I think that living in society is killing the fun for everyone, it's creating an aseptic environment that has no propensity for pleasure. When everyone tries not to offend anyone, nobody is feeling pleasure. Everything is very rational and fair, like everyone is competing over who is able to have a shittier time on planet Earth, and the winners are praised as heroes on national television. Sake, when I feel pleasure, my state offends 99.99% of the population. For true pleasure to be felt, the reality around you has to become... a bit more pornographic...a bit nastier and very irrational. I personally thing that pleasure is just a set of psychotic states interchanging very rapidly at the back of your head creating that aha moment. When you feel true pleasure, things around you are too ashamed to make sense, it's like logic and common sense realize they're inferior and crawl in a dark space. I think it is impossible to reconcile both.

Also, when you talk about the spur of the moment, I call that thinking outside the box. It as though your logic and common sense that construct your reality around you, you are suddenly able to see them in perspective so you can finally realize how small they are, compared to the rest. Not sure you understand what I mean. It's like your state of mind changes a bit and you go like oh, I'm in the Matrix, this logical reality around me is not everything there is, in fact this thing is really small, it has no taste no smell and no touch and I know everything about it, so nothing's new. When nothing can be new, nothing can be good. What you call weakness or spur of the moment I call it clairvoyance...being able to see on the other side and show critical thinking to the shape and size of your own reality.

Also I believe that showing true strength is being able to monitor your drug use once you start using, and not to avoid use in the first place. 100% of the people who are set on not using drugs all think "I'm not trying because I might like it.". Their explanation is not a display of strength, it's a display of cowardliness and a documented lack of self-control. In fact, their self-control is so low that they would rather not get into something, and I say "documented" because, these people have learned from experience that they should not get bad ideas and not raise devils because they KNOW they will not have the strength to lay them down.

 

[HezzaD]

good read, I for one promised myself I would just use my morphine script on the odd days to get high.
two years later ive taken oxycodone which led me to try heroin.
i am now doing heroin about once a fortnight but I binge, Im also on a 60mg twice a day morphine script which I sometimes abuse, I also buy morphinee pills.

before this however I use to take codeine and tramadol everyday and smoke weed with pregablin.
Opiates have always stopped my racing thoughts but at a cost, I was going gym everyday I was muscley as now im just a fat fuck who just wants to be high.

 

[SKR]

Opiates, a living hell.

Great for acute pain, you want a 5mg Endone (Brand) Oxycodone IR pill to actually ease your pain when you're banged up in hospital etc and not be like me where I can safely eat 3+ cartons (300+mgs Oxycodone) to stop my nose from running and barely take the edge off my back pain for a half hour.