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Dissociatives The Small & Handy 3-MeO-PCMo Thread

bjznoviskey said:
Don't think he was confused by that, many PCP analogs are known to have increased opioid activity, esp. with 3-position substitution
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I think that was just speculation, which has turned out to be not true. I think it´s the serotonergic effects together with the dissociation, of MXE, that people confuse with opiate activity, for instance.

Anyway, I never got around to ordering 3-MeO-PCMo, and upon hearing that it´s a lot like regular 3-MeO-PCP I kind of lost interest. If they make the non 3-MeO version then I´m all in though :)
 
I'm usually not one to try novel substances before they've been bio-assayed by a large populace... but I suppose I lack the patience virtue.

Aside from DXM and Ketamine, I prefer vaporizing my dissociatives. MXE, I like to make freebase crystals out of and I have not had much luck vaping MXM. MXP (Methoxphenidine) I dislike; waste of money and time, or perhaps I didn't give it a chance. Diphenidine I don't bother freebasing because it vaporizes perfectly fine in HCl form (I *assume* this is the form I get it in; crystals or powder, it has a low melting point.)

Caveat: I have a high diphenidine tolerance and vaped it before and after these reports, so this likely skewed my reports on 3-MeO-PCMo below, though I like to think I can pick out the difference between Diphenidine and this substance given I have extensive experience with the former.

TRIP REPORT: VAPING 3-MeO-PCMo

Trial #1
Allergy/taste test: placed a grain of a clear crystal of this novel dissociative into my glass pipe (I wrote another post on the "ideal crack pipe"—PM me if you're interested in a DIY or my take on glass pipes for vaporizing or smoking powders/crystals/rocks.)

Heated gently with a bic. Low melting point. Began inhaling when the crystal melted and began to vaporize. Tastes like the smell of a new Apple Macbook—chemically sweet, a tinge of bitterness but overall not bad. (I like the taste of Diphenidine and MXE (but NOT MPA), if that's any measure.)

Not harsh on the lungs and nothing else to report from this allergy/taste test.

Trial #2
I'm not allergic to this stuff, but what does that mean? it may cause cancer or worse! I don't recommend anyone try this until more studies come out!

I proceed to place a 50 mg clear crystal into the pipe. Heat gentle until boiling and inhale slowly when the substance begins to vaporize. Lungfuls are easy to hold in. Not harsh on the lungs and I don't mind the taste (again, YMMV), no cough reflex (as with most dissociatives.)

After about 3 lungfuls, held for 5-10 seconds and exhaled at somewhat thick smoke, I feel something. Given I have a diphenidine tolerance, and have vaped diphenidine just an hour prior, I know I'm feeling something different. Some 'other areas' of my brain are active and I feel calmer, happier and more giddy.

I continue to toke. After 3 more lungfuls I feel fantastic. Hard to describe the effects other than a deep relaxation and a slight hint of mania. There's definitely some mania, though I'm not bouncing off the walls. If I were not tolerant to diphenidine, I may have had difficulty talking or moving but this is not the case. Early on, diphenidine caused slurred speech and obvious short term memory loss. This is not the case with 3-MeO-PCMo, though I don't know whether to attribute this to my tolerance to diphenidine or to the substance itself.

Nothing interesting to report. Very similar to 3-MeO-PCP (which I also vaporize) and weaker, as previous reports have said, though the effects come on much quicker and there is little to no memory problems; Again, I don't know whether this is just because I am tolerance to dissociatives or because 3-MeO-PCMo is unique in this respect.

Effects wear off within 45-60 minutes with a lingering afterglow; an enjoyable calmness.

TRIP REPORT: INSUFFLATING 3-MeO-PCMo

I'm generally not one to mess up my nasal passages but the reports above claim this isn't hard on the nose, so let's give it a shot. I crush up 60 mg into 2 lines of fine powder and insufflate a line per nostril.

It's nearly as silky smooth up the nose as Ketamine. No teary eyes. In comparison, 3-MeO-PCP and Diphenidine burn when insufflated. There's a drip but it's not unpleasant. It's only a symptom that I insufflated too much and some probably got wasted going down my stomach. Next time will insufflate less and wait longer between lines.

Effects come on within 5-10 minutes and feel similar to vaping though obviously the build up is slower. Come-up is reminiscent of MXE or Ketamine but it never "gets there." There's no hole and there's no intensity, but 60 mg is likely a low dose. For the scientifically inclined, this is about 0.8 mg / kg of body weight for me.

Effects plateau at around 20-30 minutes. I re-dose 60-80 mg afterwards with nothing remarkable to report (nothing unpleasant, but nothing to write home about.)

I don't have much to play and given this is too new a substance, I'm not willing to push the dose any higher but I would guess that insufflating or vaping a much higher dose would feel great, especially if not is not tolerant to dissociatives. This isn't a replacement for 3-MeO-PCP, MXE, or Ketamine if you can get your hands on these.

Thinking of trying this? READ: THE ABOVE IS JUST MY EXPERIENCE. What YOU have may not even be 3-MeO-Whatever so please be on the safe side and make sure you TRUST YOUR VENDOR, and if you do decide to try this at all, titrate your dose up slowly. This substance (and many others) are just far too new for us to be messing with.
 
Fagott said:
I think that was just speculation, which has turned out to be not true. I think it´s the serotonergic effects together with the dissociation, of MXE, that people confuse with opiate activity, for instance.

Anyway, I never got around to ordering 3-MeO-PCMo, and upon hearing that it´s a lot like regular 3-MeO-PCP I kind of lost interest. If they make the non 3-MeO version then I´m all in though :)
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https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/pcp/sar.html#sarmods

I guess I was referring more to a 3-hydroxy substitution.

-"The 3-hydroxy compound however, has 8 times the affinity of PCP for its receptor but also has profoundly enhanced affinity for the opiate receptor (430 times the affinity of PCP), giving it an analgesic activity 1 order of magnitude lower than morphine"
 
yes. I´ve read that article once. I´m not sure how much in it is fact, and how much is informed speculation. I mean, I think it´s rather old and probably based on research done back when they invented PCP and ketamine.

Anyway, I´d say the jury is still out on wether 3-HO-PCP has any real affinity for the opiate receptor or not. Check this thread:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/647596-The-Small-amp-Handy-3-HO-PCP-Thread


Also 3-OH-PCE was sold by one very legit vendor some time ago, and it turns out it wasn´t active until unexpectedly hight doses, (50 mg+) Which doesn´t really make sense considering the SAR. People thought it was bunk, but it turns out it was the real deal.
 
I bought 2g after *very* briefly reading through some trip reports. Miraculously I seemed to only read the glowing ones comparing it to MXE; hence the suddenness of my purchase. It arrived today in the post and was in crystalline form. I tried crushing these crystals but the texture is sort of like Styrofoam or sponge, it's difficult to effectively crush this stuff. At half one I take approximately 150mg. I notice no effects for one hour and repeat this dosage. Over the next hour some baseline-stimulation occurs and I feel like I'm somewhat dissociated but altogether I feel utterly disappointed in what I bought, and decide to do another 150mg (now totalling 450mg) and just go with it. I assumed that the effects of this drug would peak at around two hours but I was utterly wrong.
At around 6pm I notice that I am not coming down like I assumed I was earlier, and that my high is only steadily increasing. By 8pm I am very very high. I can compare it to being LIKE MXE but in slow motion and covered in fudge. My thoughts are slow, I attempt to socialise on facebook but I'm definitely sedated to a point where my social skills are impaired. At this point I really like the idea of watching playthroughs of old games I used to play like Timesplitters so I watch this on youtube and I'm impressed by how easy it is to recall myself to the same childlike awe and imagination that I had when I played the game. I turn my phone off at around 9pm realising that I'm far too sedated to talk to people and I'm expecting calls as it's a Friday night. I continue riding this slow-motion dissociation wave until around 11pm when I begin to come down. It's now 01:41 am and I am almost baseline. This is a full twelve hours after my initial dose. I have massively underestimated this drug; and ultimately I'm glad I chose to do it early in the day on a day I have nothing to do on.

I still have 1.55g of this stuff but I'm unsure if I find it recreational enough to actually take.
 
Reports on other forums are kinda "meh" as well. Apparently vaporizing is decent, but the duration is just 15 minutes.

Guess I'll wait for the 2-MeO analogue.
 
I found the stuff to be basically inactive. nothing like 3-meo-pcp atall. very dissapointing and waste of money.
 
Someone at psychonautwiki took 900mg and reported a "slight hole".
 
Anyone still playing with this? I'm interested. I'm currently out of MXE and unable to source it elsewhere so this looks like it would be better than nothing. Curious if interest died off, I just noticed this chem today. Thanks for any info
 
I haven't tried either of them, but it is my impression that you'd be better off looking at ephenidine, if you can find it.
 
It maddens me that these companies make and sell this shit,they say they charge a bit more for their products because they put the money back into research and development,well it says a lot for that.

If you`ve got a company that does this then i wouldn`t trust them at all as basically they are liars.
 
Not quite sure what you mean... if they are producing novel compounds regularly then it appears they ARE putting money back into R&D.
 
Ok let me put it like this,if they were really researching this product then they would know that it`s more or less inactive,so why release it to the market? Surely the research would tell you that it doesn`t work,but no,they still release it,price it up and sell it after giving it massive hype.

Thats what i mean. So if they sell something thats inactive then it`s ok because they will sell other things that are active because they`ve made a whole heap of money by selling some other shit?
 
Was it not supposed to be a very close 3-MeO-PCP analogue that'd be UK legal not being an ACH? Since that ban I suppose this was their first line of reacting, and some action might have seemed better than nothing, for a pretty much open market..

Then, who knows how much was produced... I would expect it to die down the more superior dissociatives keep surfacing, rest of the stock would be cleared out?

I thought it was at least a little bit active, not potent but compared to diphenidine perhaps no worse... then again I might have been reading from hyping shills..
 
The weird thing is that 2-MeO-PCMo has similar potency to PCP apparently. And 3-MeO is a disaster potency wise, some people said they holed on like 1g..
 
I'm curious, just saw this compound after a few slow dances in the arms of 3-meo-pcp. Anyone have any more self-assays to add? Is it really just "weak 3-meo-pcp," and it's only purpose to get the Brits disassociated by skirting their laws?


Marauder said:
What YOU have may not even be 3-MeO-Whatever so please be on the safe side and make sure you TRUST YOUR VENDOR, and if you do decide to try this at all, titrate your dose up slowly.
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You should never, ever, no matter what trust your vendor. At the most you should accept, but definitively and empirically confirm information given to you about a substance you are purchasing. Empirically means carrying out analytical tests, reagents at the least, melting point tests for chemicals with firmly established properties, and ideally paying for https://www.ecstasydata.org/ to test the purported substance for confirmation of identity. Then you titrate up slowly, starting with a sub-miligram allergy test, and then a dose = to half the threshold for 3-meo-pcp.

If you "trust" your vendor, and they mix up the 3-meo-pcp with 3-meo-pcmo (or worse an NBOMe) you are likely to have a major disaster on your hand. Ever see the Cops episode where the naked dude breaks through the glass doors to get into a school, and uses his rather fit and inebriated body to spray officers with a fire hose?
 
I knew, that this thread was created by roi without peeking. =D
 
lolwhatzdrugs said:
I'm curious, just saw this compound after a few slow dances in the arms of 3-meo-pcp. Anyone have any more self-assays to add? Is it really just "weak 3-meo-pcp," and it's only purpose to get the Brits disassociated by skirting their laws?




You should never, ever, no matter what trust your vendor. At the most you should accept, but definitively and empirically confirm information given to you about a substance you are purchasing. Empirically means carrying out analytical tests, reagents at the least, melting point tests for chemicals with firmly established properties, and ideally paying for https://www.ecstasydata.org/ to test the purported substance for confirmation of identity. Then you titrate up slowly, starting with a sub-miligram allergy test, and then a dose = to half the threshold for 3-meo-pcp.

If you "trust" your vendor, and they mix up the 3-meo-pcp with 3-meo-pcmo (or worse an NBOMe) you are likely to have a major disaster on your hand. Ever see the Cops episode where the naked dude breaks through the glass doors to get into a school, and uses his rather fit and inebriated body to spray officers with a fire hose?
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That's one of the most legendary episodes of cops!! That dude with the fire hose starts to come down from the PCP and when the have him in the back of the patrol car he's like " I'm so sorry!!! I smoked a Wet Daddy!!!"
I'm 99% sure it's the same episode of cops!
 
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