tarman
Bluelighter
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- Sep 15, 2018
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Closing in on 3 weeks clean of the h bomb- today is day 19. It's been fuckin tough through. Wooeee.
Right now I'm battling tiredness, fatigue, lethargy, exhaustion. I don't have any pain. Only ever did opiates for fun, never for pain relief. I'm glad I'm not dealing with that, because I do have knees that hurt a little bit when I walk up stairs, but I'm walking up and down stairs all day- luckily that hasn't gotten worse.
I realized something the other day. As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, in the mornings, I've been taking about 5mg of adderall, which is more than enough. For basically the past 2 weeks, I've been feeling like I don't need the morning 2g of kratom. So I went with it and didn't take it. Well, that was a mistake. It took me a while to put 2 and 2 together. Because 2 hours into work, I'm tired beyond all tired, I'm slightly tweaked from the addy, and I have no motivation- it's just like lethargy amplified. That's probably 10 hours after my last kratom dose. I didn't realize that I was fiening for the kratom. It wasn't apparent to my brain. I thought I could make it through from 10pm the night before to 12 noon the next day. Wrong. So it appears it's important to do the morning kratom dose, regardless if I feel fine and don't need it.
As I mentioned, i'm down to about 8 to 10g of kratom a day. I think what I need to do is try the faster strains. I just did 2g of the red hot hippo (red maeng da) and I fuckin love it. The whole notion of the color of kratom dictating its effects is bullshit. If you look at the hippopotamus site (i hope that's not too much to give away), you'll see that the color spectrum (red, green, yellow, white) encompasses fast, moderate, and slow strains. There are slow white strains. There are fast red strains. I'm a big fan of the two yellow strains in the slow category. They're nice.
In any case, the mix of adderall and 2g of kratom is nice and is getting me through the day. So I'll just stick with 2g in the morning, 2g at lunch, and 2g when I get home. I know I said I was doing that earlier, but I was skipping my morning dose as I described earlier. Whew, that was a mistake. The adderall itself was not enough to combat the fatigue and negative empty motivation.
So I feel like I'm still going through PAWS, even with the Kratom. For me, this is more proof that the kratom is not a 1:1 replacement for opioids, and that its affect on the brain's receptors is significantly different than traditional opioids. For me, it's not an opioid. It feels way different. It doesn't come anywhere close to touching real opiates/oids. Maybe this is because I'm not mainlining 7 oh mitragyna and instead simply staying with 2g of kratom a few times a day.
If anyone has any advice for PAWS, I'd love to hear it. L-theanine, ashwaganda, I saw a mod talk about black seed oil or something. Whatever will help. I'd like to cut out the kratom eventually, but I don't feel too guilty for doing 8 to 10 g a day of kratom. Like I said, I'm able to go close to 12 hours without it. But man oh man, when it's dried out of my system, the PAWS from the opioid withdrawal is magnified significantly.
Right now I'm battling tiredness, fatigue, lethargy, exhaustion. I don't have any pain. Only ever did opiates for fun, never for pain relief. I'm glad I'm not dealing with that, because I do have knees that hurt a little bit when I walk up stairs, but I'm walking up and down stairs all day- luckily that hasn't gotten worse.
I realized something the other day. As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, in the mornings, I've been taking about 5mg of adderall, which is more than enough. For basically the past 2 weeks, I've been feeling like I don't need the morning 2g of kratom. So I went with it and didn't take it. Well, that was a mistake. It took me a while to put 2 and 2 together. Because 2 hours into work, I'm tired beyond all tired, I'm slightly tweaked from the addy, and I have no motivation- it's just like lethargy amplified. That's probably 10 hours after my last kratom dose. I didn't realize that I was fiening for the kratom. It wasn't apparent to my brain. I thought I could make it through from 10pm the night before to 12 noon the next day. Wrong. So it appears it's important to do the morning kratom dose, regardless if I feel fine and don't need it.
As I mentioned, i'm down to about 8 to 10g of kratom a day. I think what I need to do is try the faster strains. I just did 2g of the red hot hippo (red maeng da) and I fuckin love it. The whole notion of the color of kratom dictating its effects is bullshit. If you look at the hippopotamus site (i hope that's not too much to give away), you'll see that the color spectrum (red, green, yellow, white) encompasses fast, moderate, and slow strains. There are slow white strains. There are fast red strains. I'm a big fan of the two yellow strains in the slow category. They're nice.
In any case, the mix of adderall and 2g of kratom is nice and is getting me through the day. So I'll just stick with 2g in the morning, 2g at lunch, and 2g when I get home. I know I said I was doing that earlier, but I was skipping my morning dose as I described earlier. Whew, that was a mistake. The adderall itself was not enough to combat the fatigue and negative empty motivation.
So I feel like I'm still going through PAWS, even with the Kratom. For me, this is more proof that the kratom is not a 1:1 replacement for opioids, and that its affect on the brain's receptors is significantly different than traditional opioids. For me, it's not an opioid. It feels way different. It doesn't come anywhere close to touching real opiates/oids. Maybe this is because I'm not mainlining 7 oh mitragyna and instead simply staying with 2g of kratom a few times a day.
If anyone has any advice for PAWS, I'd love to hear it. L-theanine, ashwaganda, I saw a mod talk about black seed oil or something. Whatever will help. I'd like to cut out the kratom eventually, but I don't feel too guilty for doing 8 to 10 g a day of kratom. Like I said, I'm able to go close to 12 hours without it. But man oh man, when it's dried out of my system, the PAWS from the opioid withdrawal is magnified significantly.
Are you able to get your hands on some clonidine? That was a huge game changer for me. I also don’t like gaba or lyrica, but the clonidine helped immensely, and any doc would prescribe it. I know what you mean by no energy. No energy, no motivation, just a physical and mental weakness. But it truly does go away with time.
