Kl519, when did I come down on anyone for getting this batch or that? I clearly said anyone is capable of experiencing the effects of quality product by cleaning out the residual oils. And I was even nice enough to post the procedure, just not on this site because I hate dealing with people like yourself that don't even seem to read other people's posts.
To reiterate. Reagent results vary due to the residual oils, enough where you can actually test your batch before and after cleansing to see that it now reacts just like pure 5-mapb. Kind of similar to how MDMA varies on the Mecke when residual oils are present, the residual oils will make it react nearly instantly to a dark purple/black whereas pure 5-mapb reacts more slowly/steadily going crimson purple/red to black. (With MDMA really pure product has the beautiful turquoise before going dark blue/black, the residual oils make it react quicker barely seeing any green before going dark. Essentially the oils present make it react quicker/different.)
Yes a white substance can be cut, but with a brown product you KNOW its not pure. Its known that 5-mapb is a white/clear cystalline substance. If its brown/tan/beige, doesn't matter how you cut it, there is some residual oils. This isn't a down on anyone who bought product like that its just the truth... Don't get pissy with me if your too lazy to a simple wash procedure.
So again. Anyone who is disappointed with the effect of their product give a wash a try and see how it is afterwards. Google 5-mapb purification and I'm sure it can be found quick.
With all of that said, purification doesn't take away any danger this drug has. I'm not trying to claim this is some miracle drug, but it is a great substance if used responsibly and has a beautiful effect. If your too lazy to wash your product which is as about as simple as it gets, then don't talk shit about how you didn't get high. I'm not arguing dangers, I'm arguing effect. You yourself said it was a shit drug Kl519, all I'm saying is that its not and for the reasons stated. I'm sorry your vendor let you down but they aren't perfect, but your the one pulling this argument in circles with absolutely no credible evidence besides "I took some shitty 5-mapb and now i know all about it." I'm not saying I know this drug inside and out either, but that's what I'm asking you too, to keep an open mind. For everyone reading this to keep an open mind, drugs vary.
This is a potent serotonin releaser that plenty have already fucked up with, tread with caution as one obviously should with a new drug like this one. Plus the high affinity/agonism of 5-ht2b makes it unsuitable for using even close to the same amount as one would MDMA, I would suggest someone use this drug once a year at most. I use MDMA 3-4 times a year, so that gives you some perspective. It's great for that extra special roll event.
Quick question, has anyone combined this with MDMA? I've seen very few good comments on this combo. It seems people who can get quality MDMA don't bother with 5-mapb, which again is a shame, I have a feeling if the dosages were just right it'd be a magical experience that neither could reach alone.
-GC
This is a long post so bear with me here. I feel strongly all this needs to be said bc not too many reports are out there on this stuff.
I had a good experience while on , and a very bad experience after on this stuff on days 2-8 after I took it-i experienced serotonin syndrome , which Ive never experienced on mdma, which ive done thirty times. The reward was awesome with my girlfriend on it and the risk wasnt worth it accessing risk vs reward on my previous roll, and while the roll was awesome and cleaned my psyche out so to speak, helped me connect better with myself , and my girlfriend, and helped me overcome and face some tramatic childhood memories and it did help for sure. The after effects weren't worth it and could have died. No point in ding these if your dead to not benefit from them Reward always needs quite great compared to risk
Yes, after havng done research on mdma and other empathogeons throughout the years, before I did mdma I researched it -back in 2000, I didnt know much about harm reduction back then) anyways this is more recent and I Researched 5-mapbs many, many, many hours over many months I had it a couple months before I even used it, tested it on all five regeants tests a few times and it tested out as good (I wrote down my test results/colors a few pages back a couple months ago, if i remember right)
From my research tan to brown can be good, all it means is its a different mixer/binder chemical.
brown to tan =hcl
fluffy white=succinate
supposely some new white hcl is going around so idk*theres so much people say from all my research I dont know what to beleive one person says cystal brown 5-mapb is a=apvp, another says its good etc.
*One thing is for certain if it tests out on the five regeants tests then thats the closest testing procedure, without having to pay in the hudreds of thousands of dollars for a super testing machine
Gc where are you getting this information brown is bad?
The last two trip reports in this thread me and another guy (igbot) we both got serotonin syndrome on the brown stuff. weighed out 107 mgs for myself , was 245 lbs at time and gf at 165 lbs used 75 mgs. -she didnt get serontin syndrome she said, did get some ild after effects. CG , I felt I almost died, freaked out told my mom and dad they did a goodjob of raising me, told me mom if I die im in a good place what I did etc...i started it two days after i tok it, after day 1 and 2 i was pretty good then for the next 5-6 i had it and passed out in my kitchen on sunday evening. (dosed on monday so six days after i dosed! Ignot passed out as well and went to hospital where he told doctor he did serotonin releaser.
I went to my doctor asap and didnt tell him, just told him the side effects i was having and got bloodwork done. I 100% had serotonin syndrome and about a 7-8 on a scale of 1-10, anymore i could have died, it was bad going in and out of conciousness, dizy, passing out, hyper like, tearing up crying a lot in front of people (btw i never do this). I mentioned what happened to me and hat I took tor friend of mine, who is a doctor, and he said start at 1/3 the normal dose and go up from there. normal dose is 1 mg per kg of bodyweight. what I wish I did was 40 mgs instead of abut 110 mgs - hindsights 20/20 though. I was and i guess am under the impression 5-mapb is fine once every 3 months like mdma, once one finds out the correct, responsible and safe dosing for themselves. Just note that this could take a year or so to find out your dosing, say the first time one does 30 mgs, wait some months, then next time 60 --etc untill sweet spot is found
...i know from previous experience 110mgs way quite much for me during the trip, and while the body does change and such I could be wrong I dont think id ever need any more than this with using responsibly. Gc, Im not debating with you because you could be right and im all for harm reduction , you're talking to a guy who got bad serotnin syndrome and couldnt do anything for a whole week (no gym, just taking it real easy and expirencing bad sides so im on your side as far as harm reduction)
whats your reasoning behind once every six months year ?
Would you agree , if someone were inclined to do this,to start low, at one third the dose, same thing a friend of mine, doctor, said?
The last thing id want someone to do is go through what I went though! (or worse) some of these phines on here take way more than expected and
ive dont know if its a troll, theres a report out there of a person who did 5-mapb at 1000 mgs over three days or so and almost died, and I thought it was possible I was goign to die from 110mgs
you mention high affinity/agonism of 5-ht2b, which mdma, mda, is a non selective Agonist of. why do you feel 5-mapb would be any worse than these if the responsible dose is used , and the adequate breaks taken in between?
im experienced in all of this in experience and research, first tried mdma in 2000 at nineteen. No never mixed mdma and would never think about it with 5-mapb high serotonin release. one could mix 10-20 mgs ephedrine with 5-mapb to create a mdma like feel bc ephdrine has the dopamine and ne almost on parr with mdma dopamine and ne release. That said, I highly HIGHLY dont reocmmend doing this untill more is found out about 5-mapbs. 5-mapb has stronger serontin release than mdma on paper, and from experience from what ive felt.
im just curious why a normal dose of brown crystal 5-map, caused me moderate to high serotonin syndrome on days 2-8 , after I did it. day 3-4-5-6-7 were the worst-seriously never experienced bad sides like this ever on mdma so tread with caution or dont do it. I ended throwing all mine out flushing it down the toilet. I just dont want to see people hurting themselves
btw theres a trip report on erowid where someone used 30 mgs and compared it to a normal pill of mdma, if i remember right, so take it from my bad experience, dont do this at all, or if you do want to be a research monkey, start low at 1/3 normal dosing . Just enough isnt known about this.unfortunely I threw mine out f out and dont have any , if in doubt probally best to dont use it not for the oridary person for sure, one needs to be researched, educated, responsible ----look at all the research, testing etc did on it and still ended up with a good degree of serotonin syndrome =-( Be safe and responsible please everyone