Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[JGrimez]

I've noticed you have a habit of accusing people of believing that trumps 2016 victory was illegitimate when they've never said anything of the sort. This is the third time I've seen you imply it without anyone seeming to have prompted it. You seem to just assume it on the basis of "people like that always believe it" or some shit.

Maybe you should make fun of hypocrisy that actually exists rather than that you made up.

That said though, while I consider trumps 2016 victory legitimate and always have, there's plenty of evidence that Russia interfered in the election. I just don't consider the interference as enough to say trump didn't legitimately win.

I can't remember any quotes that you personally made, but lets not kid ourselves that the vast majority of people posting here did actually believe Trump only won due to the help of Russians.
Short memories and blatant revisionism is also a characteristic of these types.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

there's plenty of evidence that Russia interfered in the election.

There's more evidence that Hollywood and the MSM interfered in the 2020 election.

 

[dalpat077]

For those wondering where I've been on all this....busy. Got some server shit to deal with. However, on the election in general, this is where I find myself:

Biden won. As much as I'd like to see Trump pull a miracle out of his ass with the lawsuits, there's been too much right wing conspiracy crap thrown against the wall and none of it is sticking thus far. Even Trump's team keeps saying 'it is coming, you wont believe it, etc'. Basically, this is the Trump version of the Russia!Russia!Russia! we heard for his first 2-3y and was a complete nothingburger. Whether Trump or Biden sits in the White House come January, idgaf that much. What I really want more than anything is all this bluster from team Trump and the courts to actually do something about our election process. I want faith restored in our electoral process more than anything.

Case in point, The Daily Signal (right lean, I believe) put out this article recently which highlights how a LOT of 2020's issues could have been avoided:

7 Ways the 2005 Carter-Baker Report Could Have Averted Problems With 2020 Election​

tl;dr = over a decade ago, bi-partisan review saw the need to address:

1. Voter IDs
2. Mail-In and Abesentee Voting Risks
3. Avoiding Duplicate Registration Across State Lines
4. Election Observers for Integrity
5. Reliable Voting Machines
6. Media Calling Elections
7. Prosecuting Voter Fraud

All of these seen as being addressed better in worse countries than America. Solutions offered, and ignored. And how many of those are causing us issues today by the lack of action then, and integrity now, by Congress and the states? I want my vote to count, fairly and honestly. I want the same for every citizen with a right to a vote. We are not there, and I simply wish we would get there, even if it is through the painful process of Trump's flailings.



In the meantime....

Anybody seen a kraken

For what it's worth coming from me (not been around here that long as you will know):

Fantastic post and observations. And thank you.

There is more pertinent information posted on BL re: these elections than the entire rest of the world seems to have access to! Go figure!

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I'm actually fascinated by how some people's minds work and how they're able to operate with such extreme hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

If only you could see yourself.

 

[dalpat077]

The right doesn't loot.

GO FIGURE!

They go on lone wolf killing sprees and try to kidnap politicians.

Well it's not like I've not alluded to this several majestic times already!

 

[JGrimez]

The right doesn't loot.

Because they own the businesses.

They go on lone wolf killing sprees and try to kidnap politicians.

Who was that guy who shot Congressman Steve Scalise at a softball game after Trump won?
Oh yeah, a Bernie Bro.

 

[dalpat077]

I've noticed you have a habit of accusing people of believing that trumps 2016 victory was illegitimate when they've never said anything of the sort. This is the third time I've seen you imply it without anyone seeming to have prompted it. You seem to just assume it on the basis of "people like that always believe it" or some shit.

Maybe you should make fun of hypocrisy that actually exists rather than that you made up.

That said though, while I consider trumps 2016 victory legitimate and always have, there's plenty of evidence that Russia interfered in the election. I just don't consider the interference as enough to say trump didn't legitimately win.

It's just our standards of evidence are different. I consider the results of multimillion dollar investigations that involved thousands of man hours of work evidence. Whereas you seem to think random people saying shit on their YouTube channel is evidence.

Russia definitely tried to help trump win. It's just I think that if we consider taking advantage of Americans gullibility to be election theft, then the concept of a fair election is so infeasible as to render the term pointless.

Even taking your accusation at face value though. Arguing for interference via troll farms and arguing for fraud via... The insane mess of nonsense trumps been doing that's too convoluted to describe, are worlds apart.

Alright. Can we not start WWIII here and go easy on the Russians! Unless you want me banned for life from here of course! (You may not realize it now but you'll miss me you know!)

Hint: if there's one politician in the entire world that's unquestionably worthy of office and respect it's President Vladimir Putin. And who by the way you'll note: (also) seems to be pretty quiet on all of this! Just saying.

 

[dalpat077]

Because they own the businesses.

There's more to it than that!

 

[JessFR]

There's more evidence that Hollywood and the MSM interfered in the 2020 election.

So?

It doesn't count when it's Americans influencing other Americans.

Obviously it's OK for Americans and American sources to encourage people to vote a certain way. Or there wouldn't be the insane amount of politics ads and third party endorsements every election.

It's only when foreign countries get into it that it's a problem.

When Americans try to influence other Americans, that's just democracy.

 

[JessFR]

RT - Pennsylvania certifies election results, declares Joe Biden victorious in latest blow to Trump

None of this means anything:



It will drag on another 2/3 weeks and end up by the Supreme Court. They will have the final say.

You're dreaming if you think the Supreme courts gonna overturn it with the kinda "evidence" they've had so far. They won't even hear it.

 

[alasdairm]

^ don't forget today is kraken day!

are you ready?

alasdair

 

[JGrimez]

You're dreaming if you think the Supreme courts gonna overturn it with the kinda "evidence" they've had so far. They won't even hear it.

You're dreaming if you think Biden is already president-elect.

Judge Blocks Further Certification Of PA Election Results

"These machines, we didn't vote for these machines. It was the Gov who mandated and pushed for having these votes done through these machines and the people of PA are obviously not happy with that."

"We can have stealth aircraft and let our people die so that Iraq and Afghanistan can have safe elections but cant do it in PA? The first thing we need to do is make sure that the correct winner comes out of this fraudulent election in our state" - PA Senator Doug Mastriano

Trump pardons former national security adviser Michael Flynn

Huge court win lets Trump present ballot evidence, could overturn Nevada result

Democrats should be shitting their pants right now.

 

[mal3volent]

Really enjoyed President-Elect Biden's message tonight.

Good stuff.

 

[JGrimez]

Since my last message was unfairly removed by a moderator, I'd like to reiterate my prediction here for the record:

I am concerned that Trump will be dictator after this (yes this is a serious concern).

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Trump is done Grimez. You're living in a fairy tale. You need to detach from whatever echo chamber you spend your time in (for your own sake) more than anyone else that I've met on this forum. You are being fed bullshit. You have been hypnotized.

Wake up.
It's over.

 

[JGrimez]

There's no official president-elect yet so he's not done. It doesn't matter how many times you guys keep lying and saying that Biden won, it's not the case (my bets are still pending too which means it ain't over). Also your message to me is so ironically hilarious with the projection. Your echo chamber is very large so you confuse it with reality. I'm here to burst your bubble.

Twitter just suspended the personal account of a US Senator. They are fucking terrified - and y'all should be too.

Crowd gasps after learning a spike of votes in PA had 600k votes for Biden and only 3,200 for Trump

 

[birdup.snaildown]

my bets are still pending

How much money are you going to lose?

 

[JGrimez]

How much money are you going to lose?

I'll let you know once they're settled.
The point being that if Biden was officially and undeniably president-elect then they wouldn't be pending.

I wish I could currently place more money on Trump but they've removed the ability to bet - probably because the odds went through the roof, people continued to drop large sums of money on Trump and the bookies freaked out.

 

[JessFR]

I wish you could keep placing more money too.

 

[alasdairm]

i'll bet you @JGrimez - how much?

alasdair