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Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

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JessFR

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I was more worried Trump would be able to find more solid evidence, and what that would have looked like had it made it to the courts. That’s why I can’t even imagine Trump believes he has any chance, at this point, to succeed in his attempts.

I was never concerned about him having solid evidence because.. I honestly don't believe there was any fraud.

It's very unlikely trump could succeed but he may feel, possibly correctly, that he doesn't have much to lose by trying.
 

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In blistering ruling, judge throws out Trump suit in Pa.

"A federal judge issued a scathing order Saturday dismissing the Trump campaign’s futile effort to block the certification of votes in Pennsylvania, shooting down claims of widespread irregularities with mail-in ballots.

The case was always a long shot to stop President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, but it was President Donald Trump’s best hope to affect the election results through the courts, mostly because of the number of electoral votes, 20, at stake in Pennsylvania. His personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, stepped into a courtroom for the first time in decades to argue the case this past week.

U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote in his order that Trump had asked the court to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.

“One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,” Brann wrote, so much that the court would have no option but to stop the certification even though it would impact so many people. “That has not happened.”
" (my emphasis)

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The worst possible scenario is Biden dying before Congress accepts the votes of the electors.
If Kamala Harris becomes president then I win $4,000 so that wouldn't be the worse option for me personally.


‘There Was in Fact Fraud That Took Place:’ FEC Chairman Trey Trainor

Federal Election Commission (FEC) Chairman Trey Trainor said that affidavits from the Trump campaign show that fraud has occurred during the November general election.

“The massive amounts of affidavits that we see in these cases show that there was in fact fraud that took place,” he said during an interview with “Just the News AM” on Friday.

He said it’s important to have transparency surrounding the election process and that answering questions raised by the Trump campaign over election integrity is “very important for the legitimacy of the presidency.”

In response to a question from reporter Carrie Sheffield, Trainor specifically mentioned a sworn affidavit by Steven Miller, a professor of mathematics at Williams College.

Miller—who specializes in analytic number theory and sabermetrics—flagged nearly 100,000 ballots in Pennsylvania for potential voter fraud after analyzing election data and phone interviews.

Between 89,397 to 98,801 ballots were either requested by someone other than the registered Republican, or requested and returned but not counted, he said.

Trainor said that Miller is clearly qualified as an expert witness in almost any court in the United States and that the court would have to look at the information he has provided.

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden didn’t respond immediately to a request for comment from The Epoch Times.
 

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there are a number of banners in that clip. which specific statements do you feel are inaccurate?

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Apologies for my belated response (personal issues). I post this as I undertook to do so (not the type to take commitments and not honor them).
  1. "Officials have found no evidence of significant voter fraud or irregularities" - there is evidence of voter fraud and irregularities (be they significant or no there has been been irregularities and who are they to apparently be stating as fact especially during a White House Press Conference).
  2. "Most people may not have access to CODID-19 vaccines until late Spring 2021" - and they're sure about this. Seems like conjecture and mere opinion but of course the inclusion of he word "may" covers their arse.
  3. "Joe Biden was declared winner of the Presidential Race on November 7" - factually incorrect. Not worthy of any additional comment.
  4. "At least 250 000 Americans have died from COVID-19 this year" - possibly information being presented but for sure in order order to undermine here comments.
  5. "Coronavirus infections in the U.S. are increasing at an accelerating rate" - effort to undermine what she is saying and which they cannot possibly know the effects or outcome will be of what she is presenting. It is a fact, however, based on the statistics.
  6. "Officials have found no evidence of significant voter fraud or irregularities"- repeat of above.
It may be that I'm nitpicking. I just believe it to have been inappropriate.

And of course there is a very recent press conference given by Trump re: the new drug pricing and laws and which I watched but for some reason I cannot find right now tonight. Nobody making a big deal of those accomplishments. Will try to find tomorrow (for what it's worth).

Found it. Worth reading the YouTube comments.

 
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thanks @dalpat077

1. if the claim was "officials have found no evidence of voter fraud or irregularities" i would agree that the claim is incorrect. but it wasn't so it's not. they clearly said "no evidence of significant voter fraud" and that's a pretty accurate statement. words have meaning.

2. i agree that is speculation.

3. well, he has been declared the winner. whether he remains the winner after all the states certify and the various lawsuits have run their course remains to be seen.

4. possibly information being presented? no. that is a simple matter of fact. and if it undermines her comments, that says a lot more about the administrations bungled handling of the crisis than it does about npr's reporting. perhaps they should have said "250 000 Americans may have died" to, you know, cover their arse? make your mind up.

5. "It is a fact, however, based on the statistics." indeed. your complaint was "opinions and factually incorrect information". this claim is neither so, by your own yardstick, you're wrong.

6. yep! wrong again :)

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thanks @dalpat077

1. if the claim was "officials have found no evidence of voter fraud or irregularities" i would agree that the claim is incorrect. but it wasn't so it's not. they clearly said "no evidence of significant voter fraud" and that's a pretty accurate statement. words have meaning.

2. i agree that is speculation.

3. well, he has been declared the winner. whether he remains the winner after all the states certify and the various lawsuits have run their course remains to be seen.

4. possibly information being presented? no. that is a simple matter of fact. and if it undermines her comments, that says a lot more about the administrations bungled handling of the crisis than it does about npr's reporting. perhaps they should have said "250 000 Americans may have died" to, you know, cover their arse? make your mind up.

5. "It is a fact, however, based on the statistics." indeed. your complaint was "opinions and factually incorrect information". this claim is neither so, by your own yardstick, you're wrong.

6. yep! wrong again :)

alasdair
No worries. Input appreciated.

To be clear: 6 a repeat of 1 (that was my being accurate in my wording I’m afraid) (evidently we all make mistakes).
No huge deal. Just ticked me off. Never seen it happen like that. Even the usual suspects just let her have her say usually.
 

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thanks @dalpat077

1. if the claim was "officials have found no evidence of voter fraud or irregularities" i would agree that the claim is incorrect. but it wasn't so it's not. they clearly said "no evidence of significant voter fraud" and that's a pretty accurate statement. words have meaning.

I've yet to see even evidence of fairly insignificant voter fraud.

All I've seen is some minor irregularities the kind of which happen every year.

Also, notice how trump has made several conflicting arguments about what fraud there actually is. He's just trying to throw whatever he can at the wall hoping something will stick.

But that's the big problem he has. He doesn't have to convince conspiracy theorists. He has to convince trained judges. And his bullshit just doesn't fly in that context.

The fact is, no matter how many alt facts you wanna believe. There's just no evidence of anything even remotely approaching the kind of fraud or incompetence that would come even close to trump winning.

He lost.
 

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The lies are nothing compared to openly trying to steal the election from Biden.

And in that terrifying 1984 style opposite of what it says approach, like the ministry of peace being for war, the ministry of truth for propaganda etc etc.

To protect against fraud he has to decide he win the election on your behalf.

Ministry of electoral integrity Is for rigging elections.

Fortunately this isn't 1984, trumps not a dictator. And now it's likely he never will be.
 

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oh sure. i was just pointing out the odd situation where people get madder at the media for reporting something troublesome than the troublesome thing itself...

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It's even more troubling to see so many election fraud deniers who are willing to sacrifice the democratic process to hypocritically push their ideology into power.


Townhall - Why a Pollster Is Saying the 2020 Results Are Ringing 'Eerily True' to What Joesph Stalin Said About Elections
Was this election stolen? Well, millions feel that way. The turnout numbers are odd in some states, like Wisconsin, which hit 89 percent. Now, is that figure impossible? No. Wall Street Journal’s Kimberley Strassel did the math, but it’s highly improbable given the turnout rates in the surrounding areas. It would require 900,000 people showing up for same-day registrations.

How curious that, as Baris notes, “Trump won the largest non-white vote share for a Republican presidential candidate in 60 years. Biden under-performed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia.” <how coincidentally convenient!!!!>

Robert Barnes, the foremost election analyst, observes in these “big cities in swing states run by Democrats…the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters.”
Trump’s victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin were on target until, in the middle of the night, counting was arbitrarily halted. Miraculously, several hundred thousand votes – all for Biden – were mysteriously ‘found’; Trump’s real leads subsequently vanished.
 
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