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The Big & Dandy Eticyclidone / 2'-Oxo-PCE Thread

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It's definitely the most similar compound to MXE I've found. And, it doesn't hit the sweet spot in so many ways. It's sterile, clean, a bit harsh and metallic, and generally just doesn't have the magic that MXE has - the psychedelia where everything is full of magic and wonder. After effects were a bitch too. Oh, and it's super stimulating and the hole seemed to not last long at all. I plugged a decent amount, holed relatively hard, and then as soon as I was really into it, it started letting up and in my mind, seemingly demanding more to get back there, because I wasn't done yet.

Definitely don't combine it with LSD either, the stimulation is over the fucking top, and clarity of mind goes out the window.

It's ok but not great.
So it is pretty certain, that the magic of MXE comes from the 3-MeO chain. 3-MeO-PCE for me is "magic" pure, but it gets overstimulating and a little bit psychotic if you take too much. 2-oxo-PCE is clinical and causes an overwhelming amount of physical restlessness and mania the next day.

2-Oxo is great in combo with low-dosed psychedelics, though. Taken solo it causes long-lasting holes for me though (2h as far as I remember).
 

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So it is pretty certain, that the magic of MXE comes from the 3-MeO chain. 3-MeO-PCE for me is "magic" pure, but it gets overstimulating and a little bit psychotic if you take too much. 2-oxo-PCE is clinical and causes an overwhelming amount of physical restlessness and mania the next day.
It's really interesting to me that the most widely liked and "magical" arylcyclohexylamine RCs all have a 3-MeO sub. Fascinating. Makes me wonder about 3-MeO-PCM?
 

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Does IM injection of O-PCE reduce the unpleasant after effects the next day that seem to inevitably come with this substance? I noticed that MXE hit much faster and left much sooner when IM administered, and left even less of an afterglow the following day. In fact IM MXE felt closer to K this route of admin than I was able to ever get any other way, but that's off topic. DCK still lingers rather badly the next day after IM so I don't assume it's magic bullet ROA but if anyone out there has noticed a difference with O-PCE please share. Thank you.
 

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So it is pretty certain, that the magic of MXE comes from the 3-MeO chain. 3-MeO-PCE for me is "magic" pure, but it gets overstimulating and a little bit psychotic if you take too much. 2-oxo-PCE is clinical and causes an overwhelming amount of physical restlessness and mania the next day.

2-Oxo is great in combo with low-dosed psychedelics, though. Taken solo it causes long-lasting holes for me though (2h as far as I remember).

One persons "overstimulation and mania" is my "get out of bed and do shit". haha.

got a g of this. I have been on/off dissos for 6-7 years on a pretty daily (when possible) basis. I flushed my entire stash (what a dumbass mistake since I haven't even tripped in like a year) . Took me about a month to say fuck it and get some more. I dunno. dissociatives make me just not want to kill myself so much and give me the mindframe to get things done.

That being said Immediatly noticed the bladder feeling come back and my memory slipping. Like within a few hours my short term memory was fucking up.

I don't have any desire to hole or anything at this point. I just want like 5mg in the morning to get up and not lay in bed until working wishing I was dead. I need to get up, get a car, make a lot of money, go skydiving and base jumping until i die ;-)
 

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I was on this the other day. Ended up screaming at my neighbor in the parking lot I was going to cut him up, cook him and feed him to dogs (it was a joke, he laughed.)
 

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I’ve tried numerous times to find a use for this.

Its tricked me twice with redosing, which didn’t result in anything bad. Just amnesia.

I love K, loved MXE and used quite a bit of DXM in my opiate days.
i like 2-fdck, but find it a tad mild (only insufflated).

I’m pretty close to putting o-pce in the museum due to not getting what I want from a disso.

So my last try with these pce/pcp analogs is going to be 3meo-pce.

Anyone out there who found no worth for themselves with o-pce but then succeeded with 3meo?
 

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3 meo pce to me felt real speedy and I didn't really like it. Even harder to hole than o pce . I went through a gram of 3 meo pce and never felt like getting more. DCK and o pce were my next gen dissos.

What is it you want from dissos. If it's the floaty nice k/mxe type hole then yeah I never really got it on o pce. I could holeish, but it was so short and then followed by sooooo much stimulation.

I've still been through grams of it, just mostly daily smaller dosing. Also comboing with psychs when I had no K
 

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The 3-MeO-PCXs are no good for holing. I personally really like 3-MeO-PCE, probably more than 3-MeO-PCP because I find the latter to be kind of cold and edgy whereas the former is warm and even empathogenic. I've still only tried 5mg of O-PCE once even though I have like a half gram. For some reason.
 

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I didn't really like O-PCE. I tried it at 10, 20, and 25 mg. The stimulation during the comeup felt uncomfortable to me, in contrast to 3-MeO-PCP. I holed at the highest dose, but I didn't want to repeat the hole like I did with MXE or ketamine. It wasn't particularly euphoric for me. I remember walking straight into my wide-open door when I was trying to walk through the doorway once. I threw the rest I had away because I thought I might have a bad synergistic reaction to it (I've had problems controlling my usage of dissociatives moreso than any other class of drugs, especially while already high on other drugs).
 

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Thanks for the input folk.

Glad im not the only one that finds it, well, uncomfortable.

.25g that I’ve just been researching on occasions nearly been thrown out twice.

I seem to only indulge in it when there’s nothing else around, or waiting for something... yes. You all know what I mean.

i like holing. But I also like to have some memory of it, and feel comfortable.

Low dose one of o-pce was good for some depression one day. But being the idiot that I am I ended up redosing and getting to a point of severe amnesia. The day went ok. But when I begun to gather my thoughts I felt ripped off in some way.

Pushing it a little to far on 2fdck seemed great if it counts..?

I didn't really like O-PCE. I tried it at 10, 20, and 25 mg. The stimulation during the comeup felt uncomfortable to me, in contrast to 3-MeO-PCP. I holed at the highest dose, but I didn't want to repeat the hole like I did with MXE
^^^^ this. Think I’m swinging your way about this chem...

i went through about 1g 2fdck and loved it. Had the robo walk happening. Any suggestions for a dose for 3meo-pce? Or combo? Sorry if this is derailing..
 
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I've been microdosing this after having it again and at 1-3mg the stimulation is very noticeable. I'm surprised how much I was able to take this daily for a period of 2-3 weeks last summer. I don't even have a desire to dose a full dose without some downer in addition.

EDIT: And not just stimulation, but what feels like mental almost confusion or overloading. It's like it's mentally so fast things begin to get scrambled a bit.
 

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had a trip on 30mg o-pce and 20mg 3 meo pcp where i entered a room with entities embodying emotion/sentiments,like they lived in my head or elsewhere and controlled the affair of our world,really mindblowing,visual were fucking strong,i found useful to combine the two because o-pce alone is too much clear headed.but i usually ca't seem to hit the hole with the current batch of o-pce,and i holed from 2fdck or feel almost normally 3 meo pcp so i shoudn't have too much high tollerance.
 

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20-25 mg OPCE rectal daily is just a perfect "heroine-like" feeling to relax and numbing feeling at home.
Almost functional and creative if you don't go outside, it's a gem.
MXE was fun with some "cardboard head" feeling and sparkles.
OPCE with tolerance is just cool tender fluffy someway dumb but OK day.
So much potential for end of life once you have passed the psychedelic/mania period that form your mind to acceptance of yourself, after that its all bless and calm.
One year and nothing bad to say, body and mind are better than ever, a premise of paradise serenity for the elders.
 

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I love o-pce, possibly even more than the famed mxe (although I guess I need to have both on hand and try each on it's own day to be sure.... but that's not happening with the current rip off mxe prices.

Usual doses are 30-60mg snorted or plugged sometmes on it's own other time with other dissos, psys (or both) or a-pvp (if I can get it... vaped o-pce + a-pvp = mania that makes cocaine cry) depending how far I want to take it.

I wonder how o-pcpr would be like (Chinese chemists please listen :) )

@psy997 surprised you can microdose this. I either feel nothing from a few mg or get too high from higher doses.
 

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DEKEY --- "Had a trip on 30mg o-pce and 20mg 3 meo pcp where i entered a room with entities embodying emotion/sentiments,like they lived in my head or elsewhere and controlled the affair of our world,really mindblowing,visual were fucking strong,i found useful to combine the two because o-pce alone is too much clear headed.but i usually ca't seem to hit the hole with the current batch of o-pce,and i holed from 2fdck or feel almost normally 3 meo pcp so i shoudn't have too much high tollerance."


Dekey - I wanted to ask a couple of questions about your experience seeing those Entities if You have the time and don't mind. What made You feel like they were a Visual/Literal/Physical part of your Universe...What did they look like out of Curiosity (If Anything....)...Did You have or notice any form of Physical Contact with the Entities...Could You hear them through your Auditory Senses, or when They would Communicate - Was it more similar to just hearing People Conversing, except it was internal, strictly inside your Head, not originating in your Ears??

I've had a few very very unique experiences with O-PCE - (or O-X-O) as I prefer to call it. I saw a form, that most wold refer to as an Alien/Entity/Form from another Dimension. I told a friend exactly what happened and He said it very well could of been just that...Or it also could have been My Brains Personal Visual Interpretation of an Experience going on Internally within myself - but being displayed to Me, not only Visually, but thru other important Belief Building less common Physical Sensations that I never could have guessed would be possible. Like Your personal brain is building a little "Show" so to speak to communicate with You at different points on this Compound. I personally had experiences like this, while all entirely unique, but still ongoing in a way of the previous Intense Visions/Delusions/Alternative Realities that these "Entities" come from or reside in. I had MULTIPLE more intense FULL BLOWN OEV'S like nothing I'd ever seen on some Travels. The entire side of some Bills of Money - having the words twist, bend, distort, melt, change colors as they swirled and then REFORM back to something comprehensible.

Another time I felt like I was being given an Interview by a Court/Classroom/Professors room full of "Fellow Forms" who could only communicate when My Eyes were kept Closed and I focused my attention on My Mind. It was like seeing a small Visual Crowd behind Your Eyelids when You closed them. They gave Me some form of 20 Questions Description Requests about bizarre and out there concepts as well as some more Classic Forms of Christianity - It was just weird if nothing else. The Strangest Part...I felt like I had taken and studied for this test that I never previously knew about existing until the Moment it was sprung on Me, and that it was VERY Important and something that I had been waiting for a long time to give these "Answers" of all types. I was instructed to keep my Legs Crossed (Indian Style) and sit on the floor while I addressed the mental room and shared my "Earth Experience".

Dekey---Was what You experience in any way similar to this?

Also, I legit feel bad for people that are not getting to Enjoy the full experience of O-X-O, it sounds like there are some VERY mediocre batches going around. That's a super bummer! Both Batches that I got a hold of appeared to be of Incredible Purity just off appearance, it was almost as clear as Glass, and in Very Well Formed and similar crystalline Shapes. It was straight up amazing and turned into a 6-7 Months Daily Adventure Quest. Clean as Fuck, Clear Headed (Sometimes), and MASSIVE Energy to just big a Kid. I fucking loved it. Even 5-10MGs of what I had was a good time and Excellent Anti-Depressant. THANK YOU to that Chemist for doing his job Proper.

I found this random Article about what these could be Referred To : A form of daily Disassociation that take places and gradually builds over years called - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maladaptive_daydreaming "Maladaptive Daydreaming". I've had every symptom of this condition at various points since 10/11 years old - My head stayed in the Clouds. Very wild to think - depending on what everyone else's perception about this circumstance is...O-PCE could create this condition or intensify an already present world of Mental Illusions. Just wanted to share. Strange Shit!

DR MAMBA ---"20-25 mg OPCE rectal daily is just a perfect "heroine-like" feeling to relax and numbing feeling at home.
Almost functional and creative if you don't go outside, it's a gem.
MXE was fun with some "cardboard head" feeling and sparkles.
OPCE with tolerance is just cool tender fluffy someway dumb but OK day.
So much potential for end of life once you have passed the psychedelic/mania period that form your mind to acceptance of yourself, after that its all bless and calm.
One year and nothing bad to say, body and mind are better than ever, a premise of paradise serenity for the elders."

I wanted to ask You Dr Mamba - if You felt at different points in Your trip like it was almost a Mental Intelligence/Self Awareness/Wordly Awareness TEST being given to You in your Mind/Consciousness or Auditory Senses as well? I made it quite far past the Psychedelic/Mania Period of O-PCE and into another world for a bit, but whatever "Test" I was given - which had some fucking dark and hard to handle questions and circumstances at different moments, it supplied me with a level of Self Confidence and a NEW take on Life in General that remains to this day. And once the Test was over on June 6th,2018 - I've never again felt the semi-intense at times Questioning and Exam that I felt like I participating willingly or unwillingly in at times. Since it ended after the strange Synchronicity of WAY too many days, nights and otherwise - I've been at Peace, Mentally, Physically, and Spiritually. It was a beautiful Journey that may have finally helped me Grow into the "Adult" version of myself if You will at 35.

Any Similar Experiences? This compound is a fucking speedy HEADTRIP! Safe Travels and Disco Daydreaming - Don't get too Lost.

Peace - Mr. Meowfish....
 

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I'm very inexperienced with disso's, and at first I didn't like 'em. Too confusing, heavy bodyload, not really euphoric for me in any way.

But I took 12mg orally, and about 2 hours later I snorted about 4mg more, I liked the manic edge the snorting had, and it sort of allowed me to put the headspace O-PCE has to use I guess.
I could evaluate my life from a very objective standpoint, like what is in store for me in the future, my relationship to some people, what I want in life etc...
It was actually quite rewarding, in a very different way to serotonergic psychedelics, which I'm much more experienced with.

I combined it with weed, which I normally NEVER smoke, simply because I don't really enjoy it like I used to anymore, it certainly made it even more confusing.

One 'complaint' though was that talking was incredibly difficult for me, I have a little stutter anyway and almost all drugs make it much worse, but this one takes the cake, couldn't form sentences at all :)
 
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I would consider myself a disso lover even though I've really only tried a half dozen different ones. The vast bulk of my expereinces being with ketas and also MXE which I would say are both gems and had many great times with. I still get some theraptic benefits in terms of depression and anxiety with the other few dissos I've dabled in but they seem more like specialised research projects that are a bit hit and miss or a plan for the end of the world kind of thing like if everything goes t!ts up and MXE and Ketas are not available can I still get some theraputic benefit from the newer dissos?!?

2'-Oxo-PCE so far I've used 3 or 4 times. At 10mg and one 20mg dose. I've even had one 10mg dose with combos of MXE. So far it rates at 2nd from the bottom of the half dozen dissos I've tried. It's not as good as I was expecting. Kind of a weird somewhat smashy feeling. I think it feels a little warmer and a little more guiding thoughts than 3-MeO-PCP (not that I've tried that one more than once or twice though) but probably not a hell of a lot. I've not been game to try holing on this yet though just becuase on it's own so far with my current set & setting there is a level of uncomforatable weirdness or slight anxiety that I'm not sure if it will get worse.

The combo of the 10mg 2'-Oxo-PCE with small bumps of MXE (around 15-25mg each bump) was very positive but this isn't saying much as I already find MXE generally very positive. If anything there was still some distinct visual and emotional weirness I associate with the 2'-Oxo-PCE but just smoothed over more from the MXE. The only really weird part happened was when I decided to benzo out and get sleep early only to realise that I was not able to sleep and there was weird side effects in my body. I was really having to constantly stop myself from flailing around in bed. Like I mean my limbs just wanted to flail around and do the drunken monkey. Also my mouth and facial expressions wanted to do the "messy raver". Like I had to consciously make myself stop or my mouth would do weird gurning movements like as if I'd chewed way too many disco biscuits. I put this one down to trying to sleep much too early on in the disso expereince with benzos, the benzos and the dissos fighting eachother and the benzos not winning. In a foolish choice I ended up finally getting up and smoking some shard until I finally felt sobre enough that my balance and composure was fully regained and no more spastic limb movements or gurning was going on. I quickly regretted it though like most m-amp experiences end up for me. M-amp athough fun and maybe somewhat even theraputic and for sure social on the outset quickly turn me more deflated than I started out and often with more anxiety or depression than I started with. I guess I've come to realise maybe it's called "shabs" for a reason, not just becuase it's short for shabu but also because it's short for how I often feel when it's at the tail end which is pretty shabby. :(
 
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