haha, It is not as precise as comparing gabapentin with GABA . It is more like comparing 1,3-DMAA with amphetamine  or methamphetamine with = propylhexedrine .the comparisons to NMDA and glutamate are kind of spurious given the presence of oxygen atoms and the aromatic ring which glutamate/NMDA lack entirely... that comparison is one of the fudgiest i've seen.
Yes, most likely. I took that part of the metabolism just to show the similarities with MXE.I somehow doubt it gets metabolised to 2- or 3- hydroxy compounds. maybe the 4', but I think the main route of elimination is excretion of the deethylated counterpart.
Is there anything known about the activity of this metabolite? As at least 3-HO-PCP is an opioid (confirmed, maybe it even was 3-HO-PCE, don't remember unfortunately), could this be one too?Friman1987 said:Metabolism: (...) then you well get 3-HO-2-OXO-PCE. which is also an MXE metabolite
Yes it's the same thing in this case and yepp been dabbeling a bit with it. No time to write that much about it but it's really interesting, though you have to go up in doses for it to bloom. Will try to come back and write somethings about my experiences.A swedish vendor recently began offering this as 2'-Oxo-PCE
CAS : 85232-21-2
Is this the same chemical going around by 3F-MEO-PCP and does anyone have any experience with it
Please be careful with this chemical. I've tried it at 28 mg the first time. It was definitely the real deal, NMR-tested fluffy powder, 94% purity the rest being ethylamine hydrochloride. I was going to try 20 mg expecting a weak or maybe moderately strong dose. When the balance showed 28 mg, I decided "what the hell, I'll just give it a try". That was at 10 p.m. Several minutes later my body was so numb I could probably have stood surgery without any further anesthetics, my vision strongly distorted and my mind increasingly dissociated. I was still able to perform simple tasks but only with a lot of effort. Whenever I closed my eyes and lay down, I fell into a (quite shallow) hole for a few minutes. This was comparable to 60-80 mg of MXE, I guess, although I don't usually dose it that high. At 2 a.m. the intensity had slightly lessened and I remember that I had a dentist's appointment in the morning. Sleep came easily and I woke in a good mood. However, especially when biking to the dentist I realized that I still had residual effects, mostly motoric and anesthetic (which came quite handy during my dentist's appointment).From what I can recall from that hazy time was that this Chem(2-oxo-PCP), had some effect at 35-100mgs when administered IM, but I was a bad boy, and for some of the later trials was using other disscociatives. IDK if what I had even was the real deal as no true testing for identification was done.... I do remember some effects, but as I titratied up I was busy, and had other better chemicals to toy with. Once I reached the higher doses there wasn't a to left as I had a little under a gram, but I guess only time can tell us...!
I am about to order 2 grams of this for my collection. Up to 3 weeks to get here with the holidays so hopefully more info by then but...
I have found, from the little research out there, (the few forums I've found, and sadly the vendor) the dosages all seem to point to around 20mg or less to achieve an effect similar to what was described by NMR-Chemist. The 8mg is what is most concerning; it could be a sign that it is similar in dosage to 3-meo-pcp; with that I would use about 5mg to get a peaceful state. With this in mind, and harm reduction being a key thing; starting at 1mg and working my way up will be the way I'm going. Here is my question:
I use 15mgs mirtazapine nightly. I have been able to use 3-meo-pcp, 4-meo-pcp, MXP, Diphenidine, MXE; all recently. I am a collector and attempted researcher. I noticed a change in the effects after starting the medication. The dosage of all of them has been lowered slightly. Would even 1mg be considered a safe starting dose or should it be started at an even lower dose to account for mirtazapine's odd effects?
Guys, I have given this some thought and I'd like to propose the name "Phenoxetamine" for this. It is dissimilar to any other RC name, it makes sense as its Methoxetamine with the methoxy taken away or Tiletaminer with the Thienyl swapped out for Phenyl and the lay person immediately has the expectation that its somewhere in the Methoxetamine/Tiletamine ballpark, which it IS.
For code I like O-PCE best. Its bullshit to link this to ketamine or invoke expectations of fluorines, methoxies and piperidyls that aren't there.
Can I hear some opinions on the name Phenoxetamine? I think its meaningful to the lay person, the expert and the vendor. I think the name would be more commercially viable too, as it rolls off the tongue and *rightfully* invokes the image of a Methoxetamine successor.
I don't like it at all, makes about as little sense as the name methoxetamine ever did. To me phenoxetamine invoke images of methoxetamine with an extra phenyl added.Phenoxetamine