So the rare time has come when I have multiple days off work/responsibilities, with the house to myself. Would DOC be a fun chemical for a solo trip during these strange times? Would the stimulation and duration be too much and how functional is 2mg?
I enjoy stimulants as tools for productivity/creativity, can DOC be harnessed like speed to make artwork etc? How bad is the vascoconstriction compared to Amphetamine base or other phenethylamines? I have extensive experience of 2c drugs but not of any DOX compound.
I am very comfortable tripping alone and have a slight tolerance, from a lot of mushrooms combined MDMA last week.
So the 4ho-mipt didnt add much due to tolerance so a silly impulse decision led me to 15mg of 2ce. Had been years since i'd taken some and I forgot how strange and powerful it is. Really wasnt the right time for such an endevour, felt a bit creeped out almost as if something was watching me but not in a paranoid way. No real insights, time for a long break as ive hammered my receptors quite a bit these past weeks.
Back on topic though, DOC really does have some long legs, cant wait to give it a whirl when im in better shape for it.
I once combined both 4-HO-MiPT and 2C-E, it had a surprising amount of synergy and had me crawling with pleasure. Interesting that you got such strong effects and tolerance from only 100ug. Like only on half a mg I can say I'm definitely tripping
Yeah the DOC peak can be quite sedating, after that it becomes more energized to me. However the entire experience is characterized by a physical calmness that isn't remotely jittery (except often for the come-up which can be jittery and a bit uncomfortable).
You're right, there are a lot of experiences of it being very deep. It's deep, but I just find it to be a very grounded substance. On higher doses the peak can be very otherworldly, but I have never detected even a hint of the psychedelic "void/oneness" loop that I get from other really strong psychedelics like many tryptamines, 2C-E, and others.
Did you get a lot of color saturation? It's a lot more pronounced during the day, outside. I love DOC outside in the daytime. Colors become phenomenally beautiful. It has fantastic effects on color perception. The last time I did it, I took it at noon, and at sunset it was the peak moment. I stood/floated in the ocean and looked straight up and drifted for 2 hours, completely transfixed by the sunset colors in the clouds. And the clouds were morphing constantly in a very fractallized and gorgeous way. The colors were so beautiful it brought tears to my eyes.
Where are you getting this information from, because the majority of people who try meth never have problems. Even in the hey day of Obetrol ... Just look up the work of Dr Carl Hart for discussions regarding empirical evidence of meth-amphetamine use and addiction.I generally agree with this. I find oral methamphetamine very similar to vyvanse.
That being said... We have to accept that, regardless of whether we blame the dose or ROA, meth has very negative consequences for a very significant percentage of it's users. I wouldn't call the drug evil, but as an epidemiological phenomenon it's about as evil as it gets.
This cannot be understated! Always do an allergy test.Absolutely, allergy testing is a must for new compounds and new batches. It brings to mind back in 2006 or 2007 or whenever, when that guy had a custom synth of 2C-B-fly done and was trying to distribute it, and he took what would have been a safe dose of 2C-B-fly to test it. Unfortunately the lab that made it actually made DOB-dragonfly, and the guy died from an overdose, by vasoconstriction (DOB-dragonfly is among the most dangerously vasoconstricting psychedelics we've yet come across). If he had allergy tested 1mg, he would have gotten significant effects and realized it wasn't 2C-B-fly, but instead he just went for it and paid for that mistake with his life.
Beth states are not fugue. Beth states are quoteYeah the comeup 2-3 hours can really suck and range from uncomfortable to weird or apparently worse. IMO assuming you have the energy to go the duration, it's the main downside to DOC - I didn't have many others.
I think it probably really pays to find a way to skip or ramp up that comeup quickly like by nasal or vaped administration?
Your fugue state sounds like dissociation and even amnesia... In xIHKAL sometimes such strange states of consciousness are described like Beth state or fugue state. I wouldn't be too quick to categorize a drug based on a limited number of times or limited number of people who react that way.
Interesting that sunifiram also caused something like that, would not have expected it.