Like you said, HO-DET doesn't seem to be all that interesting until you get into the higher doses... The effects I experienced at 14mg were probably related to not being "fully in" the HO-DET room, so to speak. Thus I only experienced the threshold annoyances that are not the features of the full psychedelic state revealed by that chemical. I was dissapointed by that experience in some deep way I couldn't describe at the time and can only vaguely grasp at now, I think it was the choice of dose as well as the brevity of the chemical. I think at that point I just wanted to be "wowed" by something, which 16mg of 4-AcO-DMT did much better a month or two later.nuke said:I would say take about 120% your dose of 4-HO-DET. The material isn't terribly interesting until you get up to high doses (for me anyway).
I never had any of the effects that the above poster had -- for me the bodyload was always clean and there were no residual effects.
How interesting that 4-aco-dipt has the same effect on you as this chemical on me... Haha, now I want to get my hands on some 4-ACO/HO-DIPT and see if I gel with it, alchemically of course. Now that I think about the circumstances of that trip, I'm sure the set and setting contributed to the bodily vibrations (My single dorm room, hostile hallmate across from me etc... Was nice curling up in my bed in winter while nature raged outside though ) While I think that played somewhat of a role, but the fact is that "twitchiness" is often described as a side-effect of these type of drugs (Oh those twitchy trypts!) makes the think that they have a greater tendency to cause that reaction regardless of set + setting, not that it happens to everyone... But when it does, it's often unpleasant. Which is why I would caution users to try and avoid it at all costs by taking the right dose in the right place and time. Harm reduction and such, but you knew that all, right? Hehe yeah, carry on...willkell420 said:I get the same negative effects General Patton gets when I take 4-aco-dipt, but 4-aco-det feels very clean with a simular body vibration and energy to 4-ho-dmt. The only downside in my opinion is slightly weeker visuals, but this can be changed by taking higher doses, at least I would think?
Well... 4-HO-MET is nice and enjoyable, but very "generic" psychedelic for me. My two trips on it(on 21 mg and 17 mg) wasn't very deep. But maybe it is just a matter of dose.Is that true with any other 4-HO sub's? (I'm asking that because I know you haven't tried DET yet.)