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i personally love 2c-c; 40-50mg moderate dose; 55+mg for a heavier trip. To me this PEA seems to be very untoxic and as higher doses are persued the duration and intensity increases while side affects do not. It also seems to have very little body load; however one thing that seems to mirror 2c-b is that in higher doses (>60mg) this chemical seems to be dissociative-like.

I find 2c-c very easy to work with as well. It's headspace is generally friendly for me and it allows me to trip heavily while still being able to interact somewhat normally. I agree w/ shulgin when he mentioned that it is very relaxing--almost in a freeing of the inhibitions sort of way. Although being active on the drug is just as fun.
 

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2C-C was very gentle. It was never at any point pushy in any way. No negatives about this one except that it was too gentle. It didnt really lead me anywhere. Its a bit pricey too. If you can afford it though, its quite nice.
 

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yeah quite nice - no real negatives but too mild - doesn't do an awful awful lot and is over almost after it begins. It's a sort of mellow stimulation with an exagerated visual field. Been upto 80mg & could go higher. If it were $60 a gram it would be a nice mild intoxicant to have around & mix with MJ but no more.
 

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I liked 2C-C

No negatives to speak of at all with 2C-C, other than the fact that it is not very potent A good dose is 30 to 60 mg I'd say. It can be an expensive trip if you pay market price for a gram of the stuff. Felt great on the body though. Prolly nicer than any synthetic I've tried. Very easy-going material. Very gentle and relaxing. Not much of a push like other PEAs I've tried.

Unlike what pihkal said, it did not really feel much at all like 2C-B, nor 2C-I for that matter, It seemed to have little 'personality' of its own, allowing me to direct the trip in any direction I wanted. I think it would also make a great drug introduce some to the world of psychedelics with. Of course I have only tried it once at 50 mg, so I can't pretend to be an expert with the material.

It isn't going to set the world on fire either. I'd take it again, but it's not high up on the list. It lacks the depth I seek in a psychedelic. I'm more curious to se what it is like in combination with other materials. The 2C-I/2C-C and 2C-C/methylone combo sound interesting. For some reason, it doesn't seem like it would mix that well with MDMA so I will leave that for a different brave explorer.
 
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Since my last post, I've grown to like 2C-C a LOT more than before. I find 30 mg to be the perfect dose. Just the right level for introspection without ever being forceful. I did (though I said I would not) try it with MDMA and it was a bit dissapointing. I just feel MDMA goes better with indole psychedelics instead of other PEA psychedelics.

I think this is a fantastic material. Too bad the doses are so high.
 

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2c-c is intersting, not the most favorite trip I've ever had. It had a light edge to it which I enjoyed, but it lacked the depth i probubly was expecting from it that I shouldnt have. Although,it doesnt lack depth completely. I probubly should expand my knowlege before i go further on my oppinions of this substance.
 

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I found 2c-c to be somewhat interesting, though not very deep. However the last time I did it I encountered some toxic effects: a bit of a headache and just a mild general lethargy. I'm not sure what it was it could have just been me. Anyways I haven't done it since as there are too many other things to do.
 

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Nice. Hopefully this one grows, as 2C-C has intrigued me since I read about it a few months ago. I rarely have a drug experience in which I am able to 'direct' the trip in a way I want, and would like to get my hands on some of this stuff as soon as I buy a scale.

How's the comedown? IS there one? Doesn't sound like it so far.

MGS: Why would you consider 30 mg to be overall better than your 50 mg first dose? I thought it was too mild of a drug to begin with - I'm missing something I think?
 

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I'm hoping to stimulate discussion in this thread since it's a little on the short side. So I'll post the notes from my first experience with 2,5-dimethoxy-4-chlorophenethylamine, aka 2C-C. The fifty milligram dosage I took was rather high for a introductory trial to a new compound,which is not a smart thing to do. I also took it on a very high mountain with a very sharp drop-off. So don't do what I do! Although it turned out to be a very positive experience, it was pretty foolish and irresponsible. Ok, enough disclaimers. On with the story.

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July 16, 2003

I must begin by saying that my actions during this trip were the stupidest and most irresponsible of anything I have ever done while on a psychedelic. What I did should be an example to all of what not to do when you are tripping for the first on a high dose of an experimental substance. Do not scale shale-cliff walls over a hundred feet tall when you have never even rock-climbed in a sober state of mind! Having acknowledged that what I did was very stupid and dangerous I will now go on with my story.

This has not been a good time for me. My once-thought-to-be partner in life decided (for the third time now actually) that we were not to be, so I have had to deal with the ending on a nine-year off and on relationship with someone I though was going to be my partner in life forever. Someone I thought I could trust. Someone I loved with all of my heart. But I was let down and lied to. I guess you cannot count on anything in life except death and taxes. It has not been easy.

Then I was laid off work, a job that I enjoyed very much and which worked perfect with my school schedule. At this time, I still am not working. Jobs are hard to come by in my small town. Soon after I was laid off, I decided to quit cold turkey my several month-long poppy tea addiction. Needless to say I went through sheer hell during withdrawal. But that will be for another story. I will now end the sob stage of this report and begin with the interesting parts.

I woke up this morning for the first time in I do not know how long, feeling absolutely no withdrawal symptoms from the opium pods. I actually felt good for once! So on a spur of the moment decision, I decided to weigh out fifty-milligrams of 2C-C and go into the mountains to see where adventure would take me. I had never taken this material before.

This was a day I was going to take for myself. I begin my trip by saying Saint Michael, the Archangel’s, prayer. Though I was not born into a Christian family, nor do I practice the religion, this prayer is very special and personal to me and I take it to heart. I then simply asked the universe for the strength to do the things that I know I need to do in life. With that I lit a stick of incense, cleansed the area around me of bad vibes and bad thoughts, and swallowed my pill.

Then I suddenly remembered my best friend was driving in from St. Louis today and he had no idea how to get to my place. I could not get a hold of him so I ended up calling his mother. I love the woman dearly, and we are very close, but it was not easy giving her directions! By the time we were done, twenty insane minutes had past and I swear there was an alert from the 2C-C already. I decided to smoke a quick bowl of pot, and then I hopped on my bicycle and made my way up to the mountains. Perhaps thirty-minutes had passed by the time I left the house and I was definitely feeling something.

The first thing I really noticed about 2C-C was it telling me not to rush. Slow down and smell the datura! I downshifted my bicycle and enjoyed a slower and more leisurely ride to the mountain foothills.. Already (perhaps forty-minutes into the experience) there was noticeable color enhancement to everything. Things were so bright, and the contrasts between different shades of color really stood out.

I was also pleased at the way this 2C-C was coming on. There was no body-load or any type or any unpleasant stimulation to deal with. For the most part, my body felt normal. The changes were all in the sensory and mental region. Anyway I pushed along on my bike until I reached the base of Settler’s Rock. I locked my bike and began my way up the hill.

And what a hill it was! The climb up was very steep. I am glad I brought a liter of water with me because it was very hot and I needed it. It took perhaps another twenty minutes before I reached the base of the Red Rocks shale cliff walls at Settler’s Park. I climbed about twenty-feet up and sat down to have a cigarette and admire the view below. I could see the valley my town was in, as well as far of into the Colorado plains. I noticed two gentlemen at the very top of the cliffs and we exchanged waves of hello.

I had lost all track of time at this point but I was now strongly at a plus-two and the visual effects really were beginning to manifest. There was dramatic color enhancement, and some waviness in my field of vision. When I moved my hand in front of my face, multi-colored trails with a green tinge followed it. And again, the body felt great. Normal actually. This was truly a pure psychedelic. No body feeling at all, it was just in the head.

Soon the two gentlemen on top of the hill began to make their way down the cliff walls. I asked them how the climb was and they both replied that coming down was much harder than going up. They also added it was well worth it for the view. “Fuck it” I said to myself, “I’m going up.” I asked them to wish me luck and they did. Climbing up was not hard at all as I had good shoes and felt that the 2C-C seemed to enhance my ability to climb the rocks. I don’t know if it did or did not but it sure felt that way. I reached the top after about twenty minutes and then I became very euphoric at my achievement. I was on top of the world!

There was a good latency in the coming-on period with the 2C-C. I felt it quickly but it really did not begin to become intense until a few hours had passed. It reminded me of 2C-T-7 or 2C-I in that it took a long time to get to the peak. But I did began to peak while I was up there on top of the beautiful Red Rocks at Settler’s park.

What I really noticed about 2C-C was its malleability. It seemed to be whatever I wanted it to be, rather than have much character of its own. At the height of the experience I could go out-of-body at will, come back and enjoy the visuals, or suddenly feel almost normal. Unlike say 2C-E or LSD, there was no forced thinking. It was not pushy in any way. The trip went where I wanted it to go.

And I did a lot of good deep thinking. I really examined my life in a humble and honest way. I thought about where I needed improvements, and what I was proud of. I felt this time alone to be very therapeutic for me. Alone on the rocks high above my town, I felt on top of it all. This was my area for the time being and I just let go and got lost in inner-dialogue. I did some meditative breathing, which really helped to increase the effects. Then I decided to smoke some more pot.

The marijuana really made things intense. Though the visuals were never stunning like some of the other 2Cs I have tried, things were very alive and active. The colors and contrasts were so bright and dramatic. The green and browns particularly stood out. Clouds became figures that moved. The ground seemed to breathe.

Suddenly a chipmunk came and sat next to me. He brought a nut with it and started chowing down. I grabbed a banana from my backpack and joined it. I am surprised how close he stayed to me. Even after rustling through my backpack to look for the fruit, he seemed to have no fear of me. I almost wonder if we were connected and he just ‘knew.’ One can never know.

I then felt it was time for a balloon of nitrous oxide. Again, I cannot emphasize enough that my actions were stupid and irresponsible. I had no one there to ensure that I did not hit my head on a rock, or fall off the side of the cliff. I am not glorifying what I choose to do, but I am simply telling a story. Again, I recommend that I be an example to everyone of what not to do when you are tripping on psychedelics. Anyway, I prepared the balloon and said a quick prayer. I looked around and secured myself in a rock ‘cubby’ to reduce any chance of me falling and then I inhaled the contents of the balloon.

There are no words for what happened next. I experienced pure and simple existence. I was one with mother-earth and she was one with me. As I exhaled some variety of insect began to rub it wings at a particular frequency. This frequency seemed to be a celebration of life. I experienced perhaps the greatest euphoria for simply being alive that I can recall in some time.

The effects of the nitrous oxide lasted perhaps a minute or two. By the time it was over I had tears in my eyes. I experienced the utter bliss and sheer beauty from having a powerful and heavenly out-of-body experience. I felt so blessed at having been able to experience something like that and thanked the universe than no harm came to me.

After that I smoked a cigarette and just basked in the after-glow. The experience almost reminded me of 5-MeO-DMT, both in terms of effects and general intensity. I was in sheer awe for what happened and again felt so thankful to the universe for allowing me to experience that. After I smoked the cigarette, I took a few more hits of marijuana when I noticed storm clouds moving in.

Ok here we go! I figured that I would either make it down ok, or fall to my death. To be honest I did not feel the slightest bit impaired. The 2C-C was so clear-headed, and I felt an inner voice (perhaps instinct) telling me exactly where to go. A few times I got into sticky situations but for the most part I made it down with little difficulty. When I got to the bottom, I fell to my knees and kissed the ground for allowing me not only experience all I did on top of those rocks, but to survive the journey of coming down from them!

Next I had to make my way down from the Red Rocks to the bottom of Settler’s Rock, which was a good three-hundred feet. Obviously the walk down was steep, but much easier than going up. I literally enjoyed every breath, ever step, and every moment of existence as I looked at the world that was alive with color and energy. It was unspeakably beautiful. Several times I just stopped to look around overcome by the glory and beauty of the mountains. I was absolutely blissful.

Finally I reached my bicycle. I was still tripping a little to hard to drive my bicycle I thought, so I sat down to drink and smoke one more cancer-stick and have a good rest. Then I stood up and approached my bike smiling. I became what Shulgin calls an ‘idiot.’ I decided to ride my bicycle while tripping.

And off I went. Actually I didn’t feel the slightest bit impaired and thankfully the bike trail was mostly empty of people. Although I wanted to enjoy the beauty around me, I felt it better to concentrate simply on biking safely home rather than look at the sights. It took around twenty minutes to make it back to my apartment and by this time I was mostly down. Five hours had passed since I took the pill. I headed straight for the shower and cleansed myself of the day.

Conclusion:

2C-C was a very gentle and mild psychedelic for me. Even at fifty-milligrams I was never overwhelmed at any time. I was able to lead the trip in any direction I wanted to. In addition, it felt great on the body. No harsh stimulation, no body-load, no nothing to complain about. Although I would not call the material sedating, it was definitely relaxing. It certainly gave me no additional energy for my hike and I was exhausted by day’s end.

I think 2C-C’s greatest asset is the fact that it is so malleable. It is the perfect material to give to someone new to the psychedelic experience or for the experienced user to take if one just wanted a gentle sparkle for the day. There is not the euphoria or sensory joys of 2C-B. There is not the depth of 2C-E. There is not the insight of 2C-I. Nor are there the extreme emotions and visions of 2C-T-7.

Instead 2C-C seemed to be whatever I wanted it to be. I was able to push it in a variety of directions and this makes it useful in a variety of situations. Its only flaw is the low potency. I took fifty-milligrams of the stuff and only reached a soft plus-three. If you happen to know a chemist who can whip up grams and grams of the stuff at cost, then it is nice to have around. But I would not spend a lot of money on 2C-C if you don’t have such luxuries. I loved the experience and I am grateful for all I got, but I think there are more interesting materials to work with.


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Since I wrote this report back in July, I've had 2C-C on four more occasions. Each subsequent experiment with 2C-C was at the 30 mg level, and one trip I mixed 30 mg of it with a 80 mg of pure MDMA. 2C-C, like with many other psychedelics I've tried, seems that after that first "full" trip I subsequently need less of a dosage to produce the effects I am looking for. It's almost as if I "learned" how to trip from whatever entheogen is in question, and thus need less to activate that state of mind. I think that what happens on a trip is as much your mind's own doing, as it is the results of the drug you have taken.

All in all, 2C-C is fantastic. Its only flaw is the low potency, but if you are able to obtain it at a reasonable price it's not a big deal. Although (in my opinion) the drug seems to resemble 2C-B in a lot of ways, it is much weaker in potency compared to 2C-B. And the experience is a little less "penetrating." 50 mg of 2C-C seemed similar in potency to perhaps 26 mg of 2C-B

Well that's about all for now. I'll add more if this thread gets going.
 

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Psilo707 said:
MGS: Why would you consider 30 mg to be overall better than your 50 mg first dose? I thought it was too mild of a drug to begin with - I'm missing something I think?
Because 30 mg allows me trip to the degree I am looking for, and I find that dosage perfect. So why take more?
 

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Where does 2C-C stand in terms of depth compared to 2C-i, 2C-B, and 2C-E? Though I have never tried 2C-B, I have a general idea of how "deep" it is. I have tried both 2C-i, which was a beautiful connection, but just scratched the surface with depth, and I've tried 2C-E, which had extreme depth. I may actually consider giving 2C-C a try if I find enough positives about it.
 

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In my opinion...

"Depth" with the three is something like this... 2C-E > 2C-I > 2C-B > 2C-C.

The following descriptions are gross generalizations, and I think all four of these 2Cs are fantastic in their own way. I also know some people will have vastly different experiences and opinions about the four molecules. This is just my viewpoint so don’t assume it will be how you react to these chemicals.

I like to think of all psychedelics as paintings. 2C-E is a completed masterpiece, and I really don't know what else to say about it except be very wise and mindful where and when you take it. It is quite a serious ride and there isn't much leverage at all as to where you go. My three experiences with 2C-E all were extremely intense, and very magical trips. All are among the deepest and moving experiences I've ever had with synthetic phenethylamine psychedelics. The last one (at 20 mg) was a true +4. I would never take more than 20 mg of 2C-E.

2C-B and 2C-I are similar to 2C-E in some ways, but they seems to have less specific "content." These paintings are not yet finished, but are headed in fabulous directions. Though the two do overlap in some areas, 2C-B seems to focus on powerful emotional, empathetic, and visionary themes while 2C-I is filled with beautiful states of deep introspection and a sense of remarkable clarity. Unlike 2C-E, I seem to have more control with 2C-B and 2C-I over where the finished product winds up.

As for the topic of this thread...

2C-C has some of the feel of 2C-B but it is a painting that so far has only had a background coat; it is a mostly empty palette waiting for you to fill it in however you please. There is a lot of leverage as to the direction you choose to take things. In fact, that is what I love so much about 2C-C; that the trip can easily be taken to where I want it to go. I am able to reach incredible states of "mind expansion" and clarity by meditating and focusing while on 2C-C. I can think about and contemplate personal issues, or just sit back and look at the pretty scenery and focus on nothing more than the beauty of what I’m seeing. And it is so easy on the body! It's just a pity that a dosage of 2C-C is on the high side, 20 mg to 50 mg for me.
 

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^^^
Your reply was a wonderful description. I am extremely interested in trying 2C-B, and I am pretty interested in 2C-C now as well, though I believe that 2C-E will be the most influential to me. I am planning on trying 16mgs of 2C-E this Thursday, and if I see need, I may try a dose at 20mgs, but just 12mgs twisted me hard. I have more interest in some of the Tryptamines, so I may get to trying 2C-C after I try Iprocin, DPT, and 5-MeO-DMT.
 

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Yeah, same - I've been unbelievably interested in trying 2C-B sometime during my life. Every year since it's scheduling it gets harder and harder to find though, and I didn't have a chance to pick any up before it became illegal (was young. still am I guess.). Never seen it on the streets (obviously), never seen it at a rave, and I don't know any good chemists. I get pretty down when I think about it sometimes, even though it is just a substance. I'm not going to make the same mistake with 2C-I though. I will make sure my mission is complete with that before it goes out in the same manner...
... I do wonder if it will become big enough to have a black market formed in some places in the world. Not that I want that, especially now... but it seems to be on an extreme upward climb in popularity.
 

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I currently have 500mgs of 2C-C, and I am planning on trying it within the month. I am starting with 30mgs, and I am using it with a friend who is VERY sensitive to psychedelics. He trips out pretty hard on Cannabis, but he has eaten 4 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds before and loved it. The only thing he hated was the nausea. He said he wouldn't use it again because of that. Nausea never bothered me at all, but I was wondering if there was more/less significant nausea with 2C-C than there is with 2C-I or 2C-E just for his peace of mind?
 

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well, I had more nausea from 2c-c than I had on 2c-e and about the same amount than 2c-i. 2c-c nausea just lasted a lot longer and seemed to come from drug and not mental effects of greasy food and heavy trip (as in 2c-i case I had).
 

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I don't get any nausea with 2C-C. It is the easiest 2C I've ever had. 2C-B and 2C-I sometimes make me sick. I know I've puked from 2C-I, but I don't remember ever getting that sick with 2C-B. Even high dosages of it.

But I'd still fast for a few hours (or as long as possible) before you take the 2C-C. Maybe have a light snack of some fruit to tide you over of you really need the energy, or sugar.
 

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Cool. I'm not worried about nausea at all. None of that bothers me, but I just wanted some reference for my friend. I fast for around 6 hours before taking any psychedelic.
 
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