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Welcome to The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (fourth edition)

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Taken From Wikipedia

25I-NBOMe acts as a highly potent agonist for the human 5-HT2A receptor, with a Ki of 0.044 nM, making it some sixteen times the potency of 2C-I itself, and a radiolabelled form of 25I-NBOMe can be used for mapping the distribution of 5-HT2A receptors in the brain
Sixteen times the potency of 2C-I

25X-NBOMe, 25X-NBOH SAFETY MESSAGE




This is a newly discovered group of chemicals, with little history of human use.
It has already become clear that these substances carry substantial risks that must be highlighted.

Some facts you should know about The 25X - NBOMe series:

25x NBOMe chemicals have killed at "normal" recreational doses.
  • We don't know how it kills.
  • People have died from doses that are smaller than ones they've taken in the past.
  • We don't know the reasons why it is so unpredictable yet.
Doses can lead to psychotic episodes and ER visits
  • If you or people around you must take these drugs, avoid combinations and advise others to avoid it as well.
  • If someone appears to be overdosing, it is important to get medical attention quickly to minimize chance of death or injury.
These chemicals are sometimes mislabeled and sold as LSD or "acid"
  • If in doubt about your drugs, learn how to test them using testing kits/reagents. Don't have blind faith in the reputation of your source.
  • A good rule of thumb is "if it's bitter it's a spitter"
  • If you take blotters sold as LSD, swallowing them may render NBOMe type compounds inactive while swallowing LSD will work just as well!

And finally information for people pushing the dosage with NBOMe's:

The NBOMe series is known to be more dangerous than other psychedelic drug families. High doses can easily result in severe reactions such as seizures and HPPD. It is possible to get away with high doses because the mental component of the trip is mild so it may not feel as intense as other psychedelics even though there are powerful visuals. In order to try and overcome this some users take several doses to get a more intense/spiritual experience. While this does work for some, for others this is where the serious side-effects emerge.

As a result of this it is recommended that if you are seeking an intense experience, something more than eye candy, you select a different psychedelic with a higher natural intensity and better safety record such as 2C-E or LSD.

It is strongly advised that users do not take more than 1.5 doses of this drug, with one dose generally agreed to be 0.9 mg (900 ug).

Insufflating doses further increases the risk.
Where we left off from the previous thread: ...

NSFW:

I waited a year between experimenting with 25C and 25I so there was no cross tollerance. Come to think of it I think it's been over a year since I had any real psychedelics (apart from say 6-apb which I take in fairly low dose and although it does give me some mild visual effects sometimes, I wouldn't class it as a true psychedelic it's more of an empathogen/entactogen with some mildly trippy effects.

Here is the technical guide I found most useful for making a betacyclodextrin complex. http://online1.ispcorp.com/Brochures/Pharma/CavamaxBulltn.pdf Look on page 7 for the different methods of preparing a complex. For the small scale lab without specialised equipment it recommends the -Paste Complexation or Kneeding- method. Now you'll need to check what the mole ratio is for making a complex I think from memory it maybe 1mole of active to 1 or 2 moles of betacyclodextrin. I've been told that if you have an excess of betacyclodextrin in this mole ratio it just makes things safer for a good mix. So I'd recommend always working it out with an excess of betacyclodextrin by mole mass ratio (not milligram to milligram ratio). I found a mini mortar and pestle worked a treat for so you can salvage as much of the dryed paste/powder from it fairly easily. These are those $5 ones you can buy from ebay in china. I added small amounts of distilled water to make a paste or almost a thick solution or suspension. As I worked the mortar and pestle over the hour it gradually dried up and I needed to add a few more drops of distilled water. In the end I scraped it up with a razor hobby knife and after letting it dry thoroughly I crushed the powder and mixed it very thoroughly. Now the final step I choose to do may not be necessary. I heard a rumour somewhere that there can be electrostatic charges in a standard plastic baggie that can unmix certain mixed powders or at least cause then to cling to the sides in an uneven fashion. Who knows maybe this is hogwash but what I do is once I've thoroughly mixed my dried complex powder I make a mini envelope from gloss magazine paper (they are called a flap in North America and various powders sold on the street come in them). I keep the envelope then inside a baggie.

Here is something important to consider if you are unfamiliar with minimum weighable mass... Basically the minimum amount of active (NBOMe family in this case) you can weigh accuratly for making into a complex.
According to proper lab weighing procedure the minimum weighable mass of a milligram scale (a scale that weighs down to 0.001g and has a standard fluctuation in either displaying +/-1mg) is 20mg. So 20mg weighed on those scales is called the minimum weighable mass because it's to be within 95% accuracy (ie. it could be between 21mg to 19mg). If you are weighing 10mg on those scales then the accuracy becomes 90%. Now if you are weighing on cheap milligram scales that displays a fluctuation of +/-2mg then your minimum weighable mass becomes 40mg to get the 95% accuracy. If you weighed 20mg on those scales with +/-2mg you'd be getting 90% accuracy. Continue this simple mathematics if your scale displays a fluctuation of +/-3mg to work out your minimum weighable mass and accuracy of the total. Also highly recommended I find using calibration weights. The set I got was 20bucks or less inc shipping from ebay. Get a set that has tiny milligram weights of 10mg or 20mg (I've noticed 50mg or 100mg calibration weights can be off by a couple of milligrams). This way you get an idea how accurate your scales are.

Many people like to use hydroxypropylbetacyclodextrin (HPBCD) as it's properties are better than betacyclodextrin (I can't remember exactly but I think its more soluble or it has a higher bonding ratio). Anyway from my looking into it HPBCD is more expensive and standard betacylodetrin is good enough for my purposes. Basically I found HPBCD and betacyclodextrin both a bit tricky to find for sale without a permit/account at a pharmaceutical/chem supplier (which for your purposes would be extremely dodgy trying to explain). Anyway after much searching I found a RC vendor I'm familiar with sold betacyclodextrin all along!

I ended up making my complex with 26mg of 25I so the accuracy percent should be pretty good. Now the end product I just weight up and snort 20mg of substance for 2mg of active 25I. The betacylodextrin goes well up the nose too.

If you are unsure about what you are doing don't attempt to make a complex! Even worse and much more risky is a simply mixing of NBOMe family active with an excipient (filler) which I've been told can mix unevenly and leave hotspots besides. If you do make a complex please double check your stoichiometry and maths with someone else who is knowledgeable. Once you've made your complex start low!! We already know from one Erowid user mistake that 30mg (and eaily less) is enough to cause siezures followed by cardiac arrest and then death, unless resuscitated which thankfully this person was and lived to tell the tale.



On another topic would anyone experienced in the NBOMe family and the 2C-x family be willing to submit their ideas as to how they rate them in terms of the depth of psychedelic nature of the trip? I just don't know if 25C or 25I really has much depth to it like a good solid trip on 2C-E or even possibly 2C-I (which is even less deep than 2C-E). Although I've not yet tried 2C-P I would guess based on SAR and anecdotal reports it's probably even more potent and deeply psychedelic/therapeutic than 2C-E (which has been my favourite for phenethylamine deep enchanting trips).

What are your thoughts? I've done many trips on the deeper more profound 2C-x's (2C-E, 2C-I) and quite a number of trips on the light/less profound of 2C-x's, (2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D)

I've only done a handful of trips on 25C and of those only 2 where at a dose where it was really visual and properly immerse. I've only done one trip on 25I and thankfully the dose was right that I got the full experience of lots of visuals and feeling immersed in a trip. From my brief encounters with these 2 of the NBOMe family I can only say that think my mind was fairly empty and the trip seemed fairly direction-less. I think 2C-E and 2C-I took me more for a journey and I suspect these substances are more suited to deep psychedelic, analytical, psycho-spiritual exploration. Has anyone tried the main range of potent NBOMe's (25B, 25D, 25C, 25I) a number of times and can they compare if they were anywhere as deep/psychedelic as a good dose of 2C-E?
Well, it's not the first time someone needs extreme dosages for effects of a substance... I assume you waited at least 2 weeks between your 25i and 25c trips for tolerance?

Now, I don't find that second redose on 25c being much more intense all that weird. The day I got the 25i I dosed ~500ug and had a pretty held back trip, then the day after that I redosed with the same amount and had a trip infinitely more intense. Each and every time after that the effects have been consistent with the dose (which is somewhere in the middle between those 2 times) There's something really off about this behavior, so if I were you I'd be a bit more cautious about dose-range and redosing. You never know what might happen with this and there is always a next time!

p.s Now that's some proper technique. Care to give a link to one of those guides? Could be useful one day :)
No it was intense after 3mg but that was as the previous person suggested that was after re-dosing, waiting and redosing. I've checked with a few official pharmaceutical guides to different methods of creating a complex with betacylodetrin for this very reason that I didn't want to use one of the cheaper more accessible options of an excipient like lactose and then have the possibility of hot spots (uneven distribution). I followed an official pharmaceutical guide for making a complex with betacylodextrin. The best small scale way was to make a paste gradually and work it thoroughly in a mortar and pestle for an 1hr. I worked out the molar masses before hand and made sure the beta cylodextrin was in excess. I double checked the calculations with those in the advanced drug discussion. I did this as well as checking with my pharmacist friend along the way. The complex is stored flat in a paper flap, just incase any unmixing max happen in just a plastic baggie. So far each of the 10mg (1mg active 25I) snorted dosages has had the same effect. I think it's safe to assume the complex is evenly distributed.

I also have a portable blood pressure & heart rate meter which I used throughout the experiment. I also have alprazolam and beta blockers if need be. I also have on hand nitro-glycerine tablets if severe vasoconstriction becomes a problem such as limbs turning blue or hypertensive crisis.
Wait, you've made a snortable powder using beta-Cyclodextrine and it's not working that intensely even after 3mg? Seems to me that the 25i is not evenly distributed, especially considering the discrepancy between your 2 25c dosages.

If I got this part right do NOT take this powder again, you could actually die if there is too much in a single spot

For me 25i is already very active at ~500ug (though a bit lacking, the real fun starts at ~1mg), so yeah, be cautious. 25c should already be active at 250ug or so..
I started with 1mg dose and thought from my readings that this would be enough for a full blown trip but I was disappointed! Each subsequent dose was also 1mg except for one dose which was in the middle which was a tiny speck of the pure 25I that where miniscule scrapings from up from the weighing paper from before I made the complex with betacyclodextrin. Judging by effects of the other 1mg doseges the pure 25I scrapings were minuscule (although I admit my approach with that was a little foul hearty). so in total over roughly 3hrs over 3mg was snorted.

The thing is that I've redosed with the NBOMe family before. With 25C I took 600µg nasally it wasn't too intense but was a little visual so I waited a few hours till the visuals started to die off then snorted another 600µg and WOW 8o that's when when walls where breathing and really got to the full on visuals. As Bender would say to Elzar "kick it up a notch!" and that's exactly what re-dosing on 25C did. It made it much more intense than the initial 600µg dose. 25I however seems much more fickle to me and I'm scared as to what initial dose I should take next time??? I too believe others out there with the phenethylamine psychedelics that one initial dose is best.

Judging by my experiment and working out the potency of my complexed product (with whatever slight measurement inaccuracies are involved) would it seem unsafe to you out there with more experience in nasal route 25I for me to take 3mg straigtht off the bat next time? Is this dose what's needed to get it visual?
Excuse me... I'm tripping balls mildly on this substance at the moment... anyways
So I was wondering what is the common dose -nasally- people are finding this begins to get really visual at?

I've tried 30+ other RCs over the years but I took 25i was the first time tonight. After the nonsense of going though liquid measurements and dehydrations every time to snort a dose of with 25C, this time I decided to go the whole hog and made a betacylodextrin complex for easy weighing up snortable dosages (ie weigh 10mg of substance and have 1mg of active).

So anyway I finally tried 25I tonight and it really surprised me the large dose I needed. I was really surprised that for me I needed to keep re-dosing and re-dosing to hit the point that it really became visual and a fully fledged psychedelic. It took 4 repeated dosages over around 3hrs totalling over 3mg!! I'm really surprised as I found 25C dosage was bordering on visual at 600µg and by 1mg it was well and truly very visual and psychedelic.

So I'm not by any means encouraging you kiddies to go out and take 3mg+ of 25I nasally first go or anything!! (Most of us know there have been seizures and deaths from high dosages of this substance) If anyone can please give any feedback it would be much appreciated as I'm really astounded as such a large dose needed! I don't have the most accurate scales but I did use minimum weighable mass for my betacylodextrin complex and I am fairly confident the dosages should be fairly accurate. Do my doseages of 3+mg look right to the rest of you?!? 8o
Specific doses would be helpful. Taking 500mg at T+0:00 then waiting over an hour will give you a large tolerance and you will hardly be tripping. Tolerance grows fast and few people experiment with redosing effects.

With 25i you should have your full dose at the start and not redose, after an hour redosing becomes worthless (IMO with buccal). I also advise you to take a more reasonable dose after your tolerance subsides (2+ weeks), possibly 250ug larger than your previous initial dose.
 
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yeah I stand by that statement

it's cool but not cool at the same time

set and setting I suppose
 

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Thank you very much Ekstasis, very helpful post :)

For your question, they're pretty shallow (notably 25c), but sometimes it can get very deep. Once had what I now believe to be a ++++ on 25i, I mentally connected to entities and attained all the knowledge of the universe for a short while, 10 minutes maybe? Don't know, time-dilation that trip was the most intense I've ever had it, what seemed to be 2 hours was 1 minute. Trip almost took a turn for the worst because of that, but luckily I was smart enough to watch a movie. My views of reality really changed that trip, and I found a new life. That's a +4 right?

It was that redose-trip I mentioned earlier, never been able to reproduce that though
 

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The day I got the 25i I dosed ~500ug and had a pretty held back trip, then the day after that I redosed with the same amount and had a trip infinitely more intense. Each and every time after that the effects have been consistent with the dose (which is somewhere in the middle between those 2 times) There's something really off about this behavior, so if I were you I'd be a bit more cautious about dose-range and redosing. You never know what might happen with this and there is always a next time!
that trip?

that is really strange that 500ug even worked two days in a row

sounds like a blast though

was your mindset different? more time spent meditating or something?
 

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seems like you mostly just posted in The Lounge after you dosed

thats only how you spend your time if you hate yourself =p
yeah well it had three hours to make me not get bored as fuck

it's just D-League LSD, if even that
 

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Yeah that trip it was primarily the mindset, and it was nothing like any other (NBOMe) trip since. As for what I was doing, nothing much apart from laying in my brand-new bed (which is a really good bed, I guess that was the trigger or something) and listening to music, though I kept forgetting to put on new tunes so not much of that either. Hardly had any visuals, though some auditory stuff now and then.

Not even LSD or 4-Aco-DMT has touched that within the doses I tried them so far. Both superior and much deeper compounds in my book, but that one experience really sticks out. Guess I just got really lucky though

I'm still in the earlier stages of being a psychonaut (spelling correction wants to correct this to psychopath, coincidence? I think not) btw, only had 15 trips at the most and that was my third trip ever. Might change the rating to a heavy +++ later on
 
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Finally got around to trying this compound 5 days ago and I must say I am very impressed. I applied a 600 µg of 25I-NBOMe HCl perforated blotter paper to my gums around 8 pm with my roommates after returning from a nice mother's day dinner with the family. My roommates are all very keen to embark on new psychedelic journeys and have only experienced psilocybin mushrooms a handful of times. I am slightly apprehensive about dosing as this would be my first experience with the compound and my companions have very little experience with psychedelics.

I did not keep much track of time, however within an hour my state of consciousness was noticeably altered. After a slightly uncomfortable come up playing Super Smash Bros and watching Netflix, we decided to go for a walk through a nearby park and forest.

Motor functions were not inhibited and I was rather coordinated while doing some tricks on my skateboard along the way. Euphoria and visuals were presenting themselves; the sky grew brilliant and vibrant with a spectrum of colour emanating from the setting sun and the breeze on my skin felt wonderful.

We make it to the forest finally and continue down the only path through the forest which bridges over a small creek. As soon as we entered the forest some teenagers began following behind us, and our moods instantly went from joyous and cheerful to silent and analytical. As we finish crossing the bridge we all notice silently that there is a rather large group of people at the top of the stairs in front of us, and immediately realize the people behind us are connected to that group. The realization of being outnumbered sets in and I clench my board in my hand in case things go sour. As we are climbing the stairs nothing but strange vibes are emitted from our new unwanted companions, and my visuals contort the face of one of the individuals into that of an old man leading to the thought that these kids just got busted. With that thought I laugh to myself and continue to walk by as they stare hard at us. When we finally near the end of the path and reenter a place where others have the possibility of seeing us get our asses kicked I hear one of them call out "Hey, wanna buy some weed?" which made me chuckle again.

Walking around for the next hour or so we discuss the strange things that have happened, appreciate the beauty of our surroundings, and observe more strange events in our contorted consciousnesses.

On our way back to our house we stop for a little bit at the park and take a moment to enjoy the swing sets. Swinging became too euphoric to maintain as every time I would descend forward from my peak height it felt as though I were dropping on a roller coaster which felt so good I believed my hands may be unable to hold their grip on the chains.

After the park, we ventured over to the tennis courts which were illuminating the night with what was then bright enough to be considered daylight. We were still of very positive mindsets; cracking jokes, exploding with laughter, enjoying ourselves overall.

Upon returning to the house, we all sit back to relax, watch some episodes of Adventure Time, Blue Mountain State, and finally Trainspotting. During this period time dilation had reached a maximum and was perpetuated by my one friend repeatedly stating the time roughly every 10-20 minutes yet it felt as though hours had passed since he last said the time.

Around 5 am I retired to bed with some difficulty sleeping. I roll around still euphoric and with mild closed eye visuals for about a half hour until I drift peacefully to sleep. I awoke the next morning feeling unquestionably refreshed and impressed with this compound that I had put off for so long.

Overall I felt it shared much similarity to some of the 2C-x compounds with the most notable differences being a milder body load, and longer duration experienced with 25I-NBOMe. Visuals were also superior to those experienced with 2C-I but milder than those of 2C-B, 2C-E and 2C-T-7. I am excited to embark on another such adventure in the near future.

I will hopefully clean this post up and add more details later.
 

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Thank you for posting your experience. Is it true you are saying that you found 2C-B to be more visual than 2C-I? Personally I found 2C-B to be very weak visually, 2C-I and was very visual and then 2C-E even arguable stronger still visually. Personally I found at when I tried half a dozen trips of 2C-B at doses of 20-30mg of 2C-B there was little more than visual movement and distortion whereas (at least without tolerance) 20mg of 2C-I often created geometric visuals that covered my whole field of vision. If I had tolerance and have used 2C-I within a few weeks 20mg would still make some pulsing and patterns just not as intense nor covering my whole field of vision. 2C-E always seemed always very visual to me even if I'd had tolerance and taken it a week ago. I have to say arguably that 2C-E is for me even more visual and potent than 2C-I since I've not yet even had the guts to go as high as 20mg. 18mg of 2C-E has been the most highest I've done and the visuals have always been very alive.
 

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Thank you for posting your experience. Is it true you are saying that you found 2C-B to be more visual than 2C-I? Personally I found 2C-B to be very weak visually, 2C-I and was very visual and then 2C-E even arguable stronger still visually. Personally I found at when I tried half a dozen trips of 2C-B at doses of 20-30mg of 2C-B there was little more than visual movement and distortion whereas (at least without tolerance) 20mg of 2C-I often created geometric visuals that covered my whole field of vision. If I had tolerance and have used 2C-I within a few weeks 20mg would still make some pulsing and patterns just not as intense nor covering my whole field of vision. 2C-E always seemed always very visual to me even if I'd had tolerance and taken it a week ago. I have to say arguably that 2C-E is for me even more visual and potent than 2C-I since I've not yet even had the guts to go as high as 20mg. 18mg of 2C-E has been the most highest I've done and the visuals have always been very alive.
try 2cb nasally, i find it very visual, not so much if taken orally though
 

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Thank you for posting your experience. Is it true you are saying that you found 2C-B to be more visual than 2C-I? Personally I found 2C-B to be very weak visually, 2C-I and was very visual and then 2C-E even arguable stronger still visually. Personally I found at when I tried half a dozen trips of 2C-B at doses of 20-30mg of 2C-B there was little more than visual movement and distortion whereas (at least without tolerance) 20mg of 2C-I often created geometric visuals that covered my whole field of vision. If I had tolerance and have used 2C-I within a few weeks 20mg would still make some pulsing and patterns just not as intense nor covering my whole field of vision. 2C-E always seemed always very visual to me even if I'd had tolerance and taken it a week ago. I have to say arguably that 2C-E is for me even more visual and potent than 2C-I since I've not yet even had the guts to go as high as 20mg. 18mg of 2C-E has been the most highest I've done and the visuals have always been very alive.
I have only done 2C-B on a few occassions, each time being 25 mg and found the visuals and body load to be quite heavy. I have done 2C-I at 15 and 20 mg doses, each time producing light to mild visuals and body load, but a strong psychedelic mind state. I found my comfort zone with 2C-E at 12 mg and never surpassed that; always experienced mild to strong visuals and a strong psychedelic mind state. 2C-T-7 was only experienced once at 10 mg insufflated (split in two and spaced over a few hours) and produced intense visuals, little body load and intense psychedelic mindstate.
25C-NBOMe was experienced once at 375 µg sublingual and produced mild visuals and psychedelic headspace, little bodyload, but rather defined euphoria.
Sorry for being so vague, typing with a tablet.
 

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Is 25I-NBOMe orally bio-available at all? Don't worry, guys... I'm not into the NBOMe's and have no intention of ingesting this, particularly via this ROA. I just need to know.
 

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Has anybody here had trouble with 25I being overly shallow? I have taken it twice, at 800 and 1200 micrograms, and 25C twice as well, and I find both chemicals to be somewhat uninspiring. There are some plain visuals, and a little bit of trippy thinking, but they both lack that wonderful something that some people describe as the psychedelic mindfuck. I didn't feel that there was much energy, or much to be found. I do notice some have been found to have abnormally weak or strong experiences due to natural variations in sensitivity, perhaps I simply need to take more? Or are they intrinsically shallow mentally?
 

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Yeah I agree with that description. I felt like sound was more amplified and colors looked more interesting but nothing that would make me stare at a piece of trash longer than to make sure I didnt step in it. It feels like you are just stuck waiting for an ecstasy roll to kick in at like the 58 minutes after ingestion period. I feel bad for people who are expecting to take LSD and really take 25I because if you werent aware of the differences you would probably just assume you had a bad acid trip
 

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Has anybody here had trouble with 25I being overly shallow? I have taken it twice, at 800 and 1200 micrograms, and 25C twice as well, and I find both chemicals to be somewhat uninspiring. There are some plain visuals, and a little bit of trippy thinking, but they both lack that wonderful something that some people describe as the psychedelic mindfuck. I didn't feel that there was much energy, or much to be found. I do notice some have been found to have abnormally weak or strong experiences due to natural variations in sensitivity, perhaps I simply need to take more? Or are they intrinsically shallow mentally?
They are shallow mentally, but try a higher dose for some very unique strong (strongest Ive had) visuals and an extremely happy mood. This was with 25C for me. Do it 3 weeks since your last dose at the least.
 

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Is 25I-NBOMe orally bio-available at all? Don't worry, guys... I'm not into the NBOMe's and have no intention of ingesting this, particularly via this ROA. I just need to know.
The nBOME gets cleaved off in first pass metabolism so you only have 2C-I in you at that point. 1 mg or less in barely perceivable but I guess you could swallow 15 tabs of nBOME to have a poor man's 2C-x experience. Note, don't actually try this because it is dangerous.
 

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Thank you, Doomsdayguy. Like I said, I have no desire to ingest 25I-NBOMe, regardless of ROA. Besides, I possess 750mg of ultra-pure 2C-I... Anyhow, can someone else please confirm the first-pass cleaving mechanism regarding 25I-NBOMe? Does it really simply turn to 2C-I? Would 20mg orally kill a rooster?
 

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Shallow, is an interesting word. It seems inherently negative, but let me elaborate on a positive. I mean to some I suppose it is a negative, as they expect something like LSD or Mushrooms. You should not expect that kind of headspace. It is all eye candy, and body euphoria. If anything it is closer to a candly flip IMO. It has all the stability of good pure MDMA and all the visuals of LSD. Now don't get me wrong there is some headspace but it is not deep.

For those looking for some powerful spiritual journey don't look here. For a person like me who no longer has a need to peel back the envelope of my brain and soul, it is perfection.

It's kinda like taking a classic disney movie like Fantasia (LSD) and remaking it in CGI (25I). It will look pretty to some, but it will lack a sole. It is strange the 3 times I have played with this and gotten visuals, HD vision is a perfect description of the crispness and clarity to the visuals. But they are simply there... one has no real 'control over them' they move as they please, where as on LSD I distinctly remember controlling the visuals at certain points.

Simple rules to follow have been laid out numerous times, but tread very carefully, and take into consideration all tools neccessary if working with Powders. Proper scales, proper ability to accurately solve the powder out of it's container, evap the solvent then weigh the powder. These are the keys, some vendors accidently drop in an extra 20 mg here or there, that can be a big deal for a person ordering 50 mgs.

eyeball nothing, and half or quater blotters depending on there supposed ug value.
 
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It varies from person to person but all I can say is at both 750ugs and 1.5mgs taken buccally I did not experience any form of visuals remotely close to something I experience on LSD. I didn't feel anything close to body euphoria although I'm not quite sure what people's definition of that really entails. If being on near-OD levels of heroin is a 10, and being sober is a 1, I really couldn't give 25I anything more than a 3 as far as "euphoria" goes. Maybe a little bit just from feeling so weird and expecting more to come of it as the trip progresses. Then you realize this is it and it slowly goes back to 1 until you actually dip into the zeros because your whole body feels like you just sat on the toilet for too long and got up too fast.
 

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It's variable, the euphoria on 25I-NBOME, after about 3-4 hours into the trip, can be absolutely fantastic. The beginning can be really rough though, (i've dosed nasally)
 
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