RCs The AH-7921 (Ah7921) Megathread (v1)

[Bahamut]

Every time I take this compound I get visual's reminiscent of a psychedelic. Not just only the CEV's but wall's breathing and swirling persian carpet imagery, the whole nine . Kind of scared me at first because I wasn't expecting those effects out of an opiod. I just took 60mgs of it around 20 minutes ago after not partaking in any for about a week, I did have some poppy seed tea this morning about 1/lb of seeds and 150mgs of tramadol throughout the day. So I didn't really wanna dose too high on the stuff. I have a tolerance for opiates and easily do 5 stamped bags of heroin IV in separate shots throughout the day. But lately I've just mostly been mostly just maintaining on tramadol. I still do get some good effects from this compound though, all the stories of horrid side effects keep me from using it often.

Mostly I'm just wondering if anyone else gets heavy visuals from this while nodding with 200mg doses
It's one of the strangest drugs I've sampled and I've tasted well over a hundred...

 

[drewfreezy]

I despise this substance. Very little euphoria/nice opiate glow to speak of, uncomfortably long duration, terrible comedown that leaves me throwing up every time. This stuff is getting flushed down the toilet where it belongs. I wouldn't take this shit even if it were free.

 

[pbuilder]

A 70mg dose of this has me extremely itchy right now. I got itches all over, so many itches.

 

[uyillusion]

25-30 mg is good with no tolerance but tolerance get high very fast and it last forever, expect to be high the next day.

A 70mg dose of this has me extremely itchy right now. I got itches all over, so many itches.

So we have established that it has a really long duration, good. I've now read that 25-50mg is a good starting dose with no tolerance.

Now the next question, how does it compare to other opiates? Would you recommend this substance to others?

Is the long duration enjoyable or is it more of a hangover feeling?

 

[Halif]

If you read back through this thread you'll get very mixed opinions, which is natural of course. But since you asked how it compares to other opiates, and since I'm a bit of a connoisseur when it comes to opiates/opioids.... here's my opinion on AH7921:

Basically, it doesn't compare to other opiates or opioids. That's my short and definitive answer.

It feels quite unlike any opiate I've tried to the extent that had this not been labelled as an opioid, I would easily have believed it was something else entirely - possibly a novel dissociative.

It should be noted that I have a fairly hefty tolerance to opiates, and my preference is for the "classics" derived from the opium poppy (so, heroin, morphine, codeine). But I have found something to like about nearly all the opioids I've tried (tramadol has a unique charm to it if you're tolerance is low enough, oxy is fantastic, DHC is OK), but this one is just different and IME lacks virtually all the qualities of what an opiate/opioid should have.

I have tried it around a dozen times from three different batches which all produced similar effects and side-effects. Basically, the side-effects were the most noticeable aspect of the experience for me and included a headache and nausea to some degree every time I used it.

The closest I got to getting use out of this one was taking a moderate dose as a potentiator to another opiate. However, more than two days use in a row and I would always get a strange and ominous stomach ache which is quite unlike anything I've experienced before.

Conclusion: if you have lots of experience with different opiates/opioids and are hoping for something with a decent opiate feel to it, you may be sorely disappointed. Or extremely disappointed. But as I said at the start, everyone's different.

 

[DjChem]

They already have buddy, and they ban them as soon as they come out. However, there are definitely a few legal full-agonists out there. Out of respect for the forum though, you'll have to do your own research. As I wish I could provide you with a couple legit vendors, with legal full opioid-agonist rc's. Most people are afraid of the analog laws though. Seems after some extensive research, I found that not one person, has been charged and convicted, under the analog act; not one person. (This only pertains to the U.S. though). My personal experience with AH-7921 was very, and I mean very similar to about 10-14grms of premium bali kratom, not even as much stimulation from 120mg of AH-7921, as 10-12grms of maeng da provides. The euphoria is absolutely comparable to kratom. It's present, just not that of fentanyl or dilaudid or oxycontin. Nonetheless, it is an opiate, with some definite opiate qualities; including a great feeling of relaxation, some euphoria and very little stimulation. If you're a kratom user than(imo) you will probably like this a lot. If you're a heroin, fentanyl and morphine user like myself, than this absolutely will have an effect( if your vendor's good) but it won't be satisfying to the experienced opiate user. -Thanks, DjChem

 

[pbuilder]

I had no tolerance prior to this little binge . I went through 500mgs of ah 7921 and a 80 mg oxy op in the past four days. Do u guys think I will experience withdrawals?

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I had no tolerance prior to this little binge . I went through 500mgs of ah 7921 and a 80 mg oxy op in the past four days. Do u guys think I will experience withdrawals?

Probably not, or minor. But I'd certainly take a break. If have any loose stoles take 2-4mg of immodium (loperamide).

 

[dopemaster]

So I have given this substance a go several times now.

It was a while ago when I IV'd it. I found it burnt to sniff, so I didn't really want to sniff it. I did an initial allergy test and then tried 10 mgs which did nothing.

Long story short, I found 100 mgs IV to produce desired effects. I did work my way up and go about this in the safest manner I could, but I really see no need to put down every dose I tried until I found a suitable one, but I was careful and highly recommend that if you must ingest these sort of compound to use great care. Also its best to find a reputable dealer.

I should mention my AH7921 was in salt form and water soluble. I am not sure if a bit of heat was required as 100 mgs is a large amount to put in 1cc of water, but it was done.

I was pleased with the effects as I was in pain at the time and the pain was relieved. So I really see this substance as a painkiller. I do not know if it is addictive and I really won't be able to figure that one out as I get an RX for pain medication and that is not something that is going to stop. I am just trying to find a way to alleviate the breakthrough pain which is a bitch.

I will say this though, please err on the side of caution as you only have one life. A dose that barely gives one person a buzz could easily kill the next person.

For example, I have a very high opiate tolerance, but my father cannot take an oxycodone 5mgs tablet without puking as it is too strong for him. Me on the other hand, I was given the equivalent of over 300 mgs of morphine a day for a long time. My reasons for switching to a different medication are irrelevant to this thread, but it was my choice.

It really doesn't have a rush, but is an excellent painkiller and last for a bit. It also seems to fight off the sickness of opiate habituation a bit.

So I just tried smoking 20 mgs. I felt a mild mood elevation and well the taste was not horrid. I put it in a cigarette as I do not own a vaporizer. I find that to be an ok method because I put tobacco back in and long before the flame hits the compound its already melting or whatever.

It does have a bit of an aftertaste, but its really nothing a stick of gum could not handle. I wouldn't say it is gross just so much as a chemical taste of sorts.

I have tried the cigarette method with AF, BF, 2-fa, 2fma, and 4-fa so yes it works ok. If you put too much in it tends to turn into a chunk so its best to spread it out a bit. I might try it with a glass pipe. I am just trying to find an effective ROA that does not involve needles. There is no way I am going to plug, sniff, or put it in my mouth if it burns.

So my take on AH-7921 would be that it won't really get you high, but it will kill some pain and elevate your mood (IE a small sense of euphoria). It's good for someone like me as I have chronic pain and am not really seeking to get high, but since I only get ER medication, I could really use something for breakthrough pain or when my medication is not cutting it.

I am going to try mixing AH-7921 with some AF and see how that works for pain relief. I find AF a really good pain reliever with a heavy knod and no euphoria so I am hoping that mixing the two together will give it a bit of euphoria as well as make it last a bit longer.

I find AF a good way to get well in the morning and I think AH-7921 might be a good idea for that as well. I suppose I would compare it to tramadol but a bit stronger. I personally do not pay very much for this compound, but I suppose like any drug its worth what you are willing to pay for.

After I try smoking this substance a few more times I will update. It definitely needs to be spread out and I am thinking if I mix it with AF that may solve the problem and I will give it a go with the roll your own cigarettes. I personally do not smoke anything off of tin foil as I do believe it causes some health problems and well since I already use drugs, I do not think I need to make things worse.

Now the doses I discussed would be way too much for some ppl and I highly suggest to do an allergy test. Like the smallest amount you can do orally and work your way up. I am no doctor, but after reading through half this thread I did not see anyone else who had smoked it so I thought I might as well give it a go since I have already IV'd it.

I will update more as I research this compound. Once again mine was in the hcl salt form and not the freebase, so I am guessing there is a bit of a difference. It is a powder. I am not going to give up the vendor, but I will say they have a great reputation. Also, I will not source to anyone under any circumstances so please do not even ask.

So please do not take this as medical advice as it is my own personal experiences. I am a bit hesitant about putting my doses up these days. I really do not want anyone to think that just because it did not cause me any harm, that it won't cause them harm. But the way I see it is if you are gonna do it anyways, you might as well hear first hand from someone who has already done it. So please stay safe and really I decided to use this compound as a last resort, so if you do not need it maybe it is best that you not even mess with it.

 

[ValentinoSix]

I haven't dug through this entire AH 7921 thread so forgive me if I'm repeating common knowledge. One of the virtues of Bluelight is its focus on harm reduction, so I thought I'd suggest Vitamin E for people who have found themselves regularly using AH 7921. How I arrived at this is a blur, but in some thread somewhere somebody suggested AH 7921 was fat-soluble. At the time I read this I had been experiencing frequent nausea in the mornings after taking AH 7921 (usually ~100mg sublingual, 160lb male). I understand nausea is a common side effect. Knowing Vitamin E is fat soluble, I decided to take 400 micrograms with the AH 7921 and another 400 the morning after. Like everyone else I have no idea what I'm doing to my brain with this substance, but the Vitamin E seems to have cleared up the nausea. Or maybe my body has adjusted to the presence of AH 7921 and the vitamin E/reduction in nausea thing is just spurious. Anybody with better understandings of biochemistry have any input on the relationship between Vitamin E , AH 7921, and nausea?

 

[ValentinoSix]

Every time I take this compound I get visual's reminiscent of a psychedelic. Not just only the CEV's but wall's breathing and swirling persian carpet imagery, the whole nine . Kind of scared me at first because I wasn't expecting those effects out of an opiod. I just took 60mgs of it around 20 minutes ago after not partaking in any for about a week, I did have some poppy seed tea this morning about 1/lb of seeds and 150mgs of tramadol throughout the day. So I didn't really wanna dose too high on the stuff. I have a tolerance for opiates and easily do 5 stamped bags of heroin IV in separate shots throughout the day. But lately I've just mostly been mostly just maintaining on tramadol. I still do get some good effects from this compound though, all the stories of horrid side effects keep me from using it often.

Mostly I'm just wondering if anyone else gets heavy visuals from this while nodding with 200mg doses
It's one of the strangest drugs I've sampled and I've tasted well over a hundred...

My experience with AH 7921's immediate effects has been more along the lines of a weak version of hydrocodone/oxycodone, but the WDs had dissociative hallucinogen properties. After about a week of daily use (~100-140mg/day) I ran out a couple of days before I had to do some extensive traveling. Around 30 hours after my last dose I woke up with some standard WD symptoms (i.e. sneezing, yawning, teary-eyed allergy kind of stuff) and what I can only call "dissociative hallucination vision." The first 12 hours of WDs felt like I had taken a very mild dose of something dissociative (i.e. DXM) and my vision was slightly distorted as if everything had a blue tint (much like a side effect of Viagra that I experience) and continually shifted position in my field of vision. It wasn't incapacitating -- just odd, slightly obnoxious, and very unpleasant. Other WD symptoms included mild nausea and general feeling of malaise, which affected me well into the following day. All WD symptoms were gone by around 70 hours after last dose. Though I experience AH 7921 much like a weaker opiate of the codone variety, some of its WD symptoms are unlike any of the standard things I have experienced from other opiates. It makes me wonder why some users report the dissociative effect as a main effect whereas with me it was or appeared to be a WD symptom.

 

[ValentinoSix]

Could someone point me in the direction of some accurate information regarding the half-life of this substance.
I find lots of hearsay that it has a long, or very long half-life, but no actual scientific papers or the like.

I've run into the same problem. Nobody knows for certain.

No, but like 12 hours minimum I would guess!

And you would guess right, according to my experience. I'm betting that it's AT LEAST 24 hours +/- ~6 depending on the individual and all the other circumstances that can affect metabolism of a drug.

In my experience, I have avoided withdrawals by having a day or two off every day or two. That's taking it for months on end.

I got nasty withdrawals after a week or so of daily use.

The breaks are the important thing it seems, to me.

It probably also comes down to individual biology, but I reckon if you used again today and had a break you'd not have serious withdrawals.

It's a very long lasting drug, I reckon wds will come after 24 hours or so.

Remember this is a caustic, untested substance and we're guinea pigs.

I experienced WDs at around 30 hours after last dose.

 

[QUARE]

So we have established that it has a really long duration, good. I've now read that 25-50mg is a good starting dose with no tolerance.

Now the next question, how does it compare to other opiates? Would you recommend this substance to others?

Is the long duration enjoyable or is it more of a hangover feeling?

To be honest, does it compare to opiate ? Absolutly not, I was taking it because its a sedative and I like behind sedate but AH-7921 doesnt come with euphoria, though it can produce the longest enjoyable nod.

Do I recommend it to others ? Absolutly not. From my experience, I always get severe gastritis when I withdraw after long term use. I lose a lot of weight and now they found at the hospital that I have liver laceration. My stomach hurt like hell all the time.

AH-7921 is going to kill you, its poison straight to your brain.

Also all of you should check out my thread before considering consuming the chemical. http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/689803-The-AH-7921-Side-effect-and-withdrawal-WARNING

 

[clubcard]

There is a wide range of views. My question would be [no prices] is this stuff worth the price people are paying? I've seen several sites and they seem to price it like H!

In February, it showed up on the UK drug early-warning system so expect the ACMD to step in soon.

 

[TheDoctorate08]

My experience with AH 7921's immediate effects has been more along the lines of a weak version of hydrocodone/oxycodone, but the WDs had dissociative hallucinogen properties. After about a week of daily use (~100-140mg/day) I ran out a couple of days before I had to do some extensive traveling. Around 30 hours after my last dose I woke up with some standard WD symptoms (i.e. sneezing, yawning, teary-eyed allergy kind of stuff) and what I can only call "dissociative hallucination vision." The first 12 hours of WDs felt like I had taken a very mild dose of something dissociative (i.e. DXM) and my vision was slightly distorted as if everything had a blue tint (much like a side effect of Viagra that I experience) and continually shifted position in my field of vision. It wasn't incapacitating -- just odd, slightly obnoxious, and very unpleasant. Other WD symptoms included mild nausea and general feeling of malaise, which affected me well into the following day. All WD symptoms were gone by around 70 hours after last dose. Though I experience AH 7921 much like a weaker opiate of the codone variety, some of its WD symptoms are unlike any of the standard things I have experienced from other opiates. It makes me wonder why some users report the dissociative effect as a main effect whereas with me it was or appeared to be a WD symptom.

Specifically:

Seems after some extensive research, I found that not one person, has been charged and convicted, under the analog act;

And that was a quick Google search, hardly extensive.

Eric Srack
R Turcotte
Joseph Kenneth Newbold
Steven Sullivan
Wade Bamberg

 

[marquisdesloth]

Hi, I am new here and I am new at this. I just bought 500mgs from a vendor. I should have probably read more before I bought. I have read through this thread pretty thoroughly, but I had a couple of questions:
1. How do I know if a vendor is reputable?
2. Are there instructions to test for allergies?
3. What would a good oral dosage be? I am thinking about taking the whole batch t once. I have had experience with opioids. I got off tramadol’s in June.
4. Any other info that could help with this experience?

Thank you!

 

[Professer]

dab a finger and take like 1mg for allergy test

DO NOT TAKE ALL AT ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

start low, i prefer oral, work your way up -- im assuming youre opioid naive

 

[marquisdesloth]

I have used H, hdydroco, trama and tea.
What would you look for on the allergy test?

 

[ItsLloydM8]

Is AH7921 still produced/sold in the UK?

I notice it's sold on a popular RC site on their US based vendor, but not on their UK vendor. Can someone clarify??

 

[sekio]

We don't allow (well, strongly discourage) vendor discussion or discussion of whether someone sells or doesn't sell this anymore.