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Election 2020 The 2020 Candidates: Right, Left and Center!

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JGrimez

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second time asking...
No need to insult me by implying that I didn't see your comment the first time...

@JGrimez would you point to the section where he said that, please? thanks.
I don't like you so I'm not going to spend time looking stuff up for you to simply ignore or deflect.

But if one were to trust Sanders' claims/promises then they would be a[n] individual that cannot analyze reality IMHO.
 
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^ there's your answer xorkoth.

the fact is that bernie never said it. jgrimez' post is a mistake he's unwilling to correct, deliberate misinformation or a stone cold lie.

there in black and white people.

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^ there's your answer xorkoth.

the fact is that bernie never said it. jgrimez' post is a mistake he's unwilling to correct, deliberate misinformation or a stone cold lie.

there in black and white people.

alasdair

Bernie lies all the fucking time. I could write a novel. And if you think there's not gonna be extra surprise taxes if Bernie becomes president then you're trippin. His plan is unrealistic and only the most dim believe completely what he's saying.

you'd have to prove he knew Trump was innocent to say for sure he was lying.
...Common sense or just free from TDS could see the ridiculousness of the Russia accusations from the very beginning. And then later on, once the (lack of) evidence was presented, any one in Sanders' position who parroted this narrative was being deceptive and manipulative. He still bangs on about the dangers of Russian election interference all the time. It's a joke. He's a joke.
 
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To even suggest that Trump needed the help of RUSSIA to beat Hillary Clinton is so insanely laughable that the only reason people would believe it is if there's no way in their minds that they could entertain the possibility of Hillary Clinton losing and/or if they believed the lamestream media who pounded these lies into their head for YEARS - although I can't completely blame people for believing what they were told by seemingly official sources for so long, they did appear to be authoritative. But to STILL believe them now, after Mueller came up with zero collusion/interference indictments - well that's just plain ignorant.

Here we go again though, those same people are going to lap this up. Anything to avoid the uncomfortable reality that the United States people are going to legitimately re-elect Donald J Trump:

 

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Bernie lies all the fucking time. I could write a novel. And if you think there's not gonna be extra surprise taxes if Bernie becomes president then you're trippin. His plan is unrealistic and only the most dim believe completely what he's saying.
that's not what we're talking about and you're deflecting. you made a claim. what you said was demonstrably untrue.

it's ok to say "yeah, he never said that. i made a mistake".

alasdair
 

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gotcha! roflzzzlmaoooo
Even if I flubbed the numbers I'm not conceding shit...

Bernie Sanders said at the debate last night that he wants minimum wage to be $15 per hour.
This claim was true.
Whether's it's only the +$10m crowd that will be taxed over 50% - that's still a terrible idea that will facilitate Bernie spectacularly losing the election to Donald Trump even if he wins the nomination.

So in short, it doesn't really matter and Bernie is probably lying about the brackets.
 
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BERNIE SANDERS TO THE WOODSHED (by Ryan Dawson).

Bernie Sander’s Foreign Policy of Warmongering:
He wanted military intervention in Yugoslavia. He voted yes on Bombing Kosovo (One of his staff members resigned over it).
He voted to finance the Iraq War multiple times. Supports the war in Afghanistan and voted for it.
Supported the coup in Ukraine and voted to give 1 billion dollars towards it.
Supports aiding Al Qaeda in Syria and calls them “moderate rebels”
Voted to invade Libya. Clinton said “With all due respect, senator, you voted for regime change with respect to Libya. You joined the Senate in voting to get rid of Gaddafi, and you asked that there be a Security Council validation of that with a resolution.” About the only truthful thing that’s ever come out of her mouth. Bernie was a co-sponsor of the war propaganda resolution.
Voted for sanctions on Iran and Libya
Pro Drone Strike
He’s an imperialist
He supported US intervention in Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Liberia, Zaire (Congo), Albania, Sudan, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia
He Supports Saudi Arabia bombing Yemen and he is in total denial that Saudi Arabia is backing ISIS, not fighting them.

His only vote against a war was Iraq however many Democrats did that and as a vote against Bush not the War. Bernie voted to fund the war and had no problem with it once Obama was in charge of it. He also supported the sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of children.
He also was against impeaching George Bush and called it impractical.
He gutted the audit the fed bill (the night before it was being voted on)
He voted for several NDAAs
Calls Assad a dictator.
Totally supports Israel. He told people in a town hall meeting to shut up about it.

Of all the corporate welfare which Bernie likes to droll on and on about, there is none larger than all of the military interventions he supports. He also supported the F35 program which of course was jointly built with the Israelis and cost 1.5 trillion dollars so far to build an aircraft that doesn’t even really work. With a 18 trillion dollar debt 8.3% of it is the F35 project alone. For you millennials who can’t do math, that’s 1.5/18. Of course parts of the F35 are built in Vermont. Bernie like everyone he criticizes fights for his slice of the pork projects and helps waste trillions.

But forget about the waste that Bernie will not cut. Look at all the taxes and spending increases that he wants.

Bernie’s Economic illiteracy
Sanders wants to increase the payroll tax. Basically punish people who work to give free shit to people who don’t. They never look at the underlying problem of why colleges are so expensive in the first place: Government guaranteed student loans!

Listen up millennials - if the colleges know your loan is guaranteed then they increase the cost of tuition to match it. Colleges are investment vehicles for defense industries. Your tuition isn’t spent on education, it’s spent on wall street.

Under the cloak of education the government is laundering money through the banks to students as a means of increasing the investment capital of universities into the war industries. They don’t care about you and furthermore they aren’t even educating you or preparing you for the real world. They are indoctrinating you and saddling you with debt.

Sanders is part of the problem. If you really want affordable college then get rid of the government involvement. Prior to guaranteed loans, colleges were affordable. Ron Paul and Austrian economics are correct. Peter Schiff and I explained.

Healthcare same problem, instead of trying to meet the price by giving the government more control and raising taxes to do it, why not ask why the prices for procedures and drugs are so high? Overly protective patents, medicare and medicaid abuse, regional protections to prevent competitive pressure on the price of insurance etc. It’s a complicate topic but for more Dr. Philip Caper and I discussed what is wrong with US healthcare here for 50 mins.

Bernie talks real big about going after the 1% and taxing people more. Well 47% of congress are millionaires compared to 1% of the rest of the country. When you tax someone that money does not go to the poor, it goes to the government and as we have seen the government wastes it on militarism which as shown above, Sanders supports. He wont cut any of the spending, instead he wants to spend more by taxing more, aka a typical tax and spend Democrat. He voted with the Democrats 96% of the time. That’s not an independent or a maverick. The US already has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Bernie wants to raises taxes above 50%! Tax money goes to the government. That is basically like taking your money and throwing it into a fire and then expecting ice cream to pop out. Businesses will pack up and leave if you tax them 50% or in some cases even higher. The more money a business has, the better. The more money they give to the government, the less money there is to pay workers and thus the fewer jobs that are available. There is a huge difference between “the wealthy” and “wealthy business owners”. Businesses, provide jobs, goods and services. We need them making money. Instead of raising taxes, why not cut the bloated military budget starting with the F35. Why not get rid of excessive Departments, the DHS and TSA, the Department of Commerce, Education and the EPA. But wouldn’t that lead to a regressive disaster? No, I explained why to this Sanders supporter here. As for raising the minimum wage, it sounds good, but it isn’t. Ian Daily explains.
 
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Reminds me of the years worth of 'bombshell' and 'beginning of the end' for Trump accusations that never materialized no matter how much the media pushed them. I'll given MSM one thing, they are consistent.

inb4 some digging reveals he forced some young girl he had an affair with to get an abortion. I wonder how the pro lifers would handle that or if they'd even care.
 

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Getting to the point ...

Yeah, Reps are the dangerous crowds. I'm quoting my reference above to a pair of Bernie Bro's getting into it with one another at a rally, but now there's something bigger. Bernie staff outright calling for violence, looking forward to it. This is from Project Veritas, so grab a giant salt lick to take with it, but it doesn't change the reality that these folks stated, and vehemently believe in, the impending violence AND they are on his campaign staff.

#Expose2020 – PART 1: Bernie 2020 Field Organizer States “F***ing Cities Will Burn” if Trump Wins Re-Election; Calls for Violence, Mass Murder of Opposition, and “Reign of Terror”

  • Kyle Jurek, Iowa Field Organizer, Sanders Campaign: “I’m Ready to Throw Down Now…The Billionaire Class. The F***ing Media, Pundits. Walk into MSNBC Studios, Drag Those M*****F***ers Out by Their Hair and Light Them on Fire in the Streets.
  • Kyle Jurek Suggests That Liberal Democrats Should be Placed in Gulags or be Put to Death: “Liberals Get the F***ing Wall First.”
  • Jurek: “Well, I’ll Tell You What in Cuba, What did They do to Reactionaries? You Want to Fight Against the Revolution, You’re Going to Die for it, M*****F***er.”
  • Jurek Affirms That “Free Speech Has Repercussions…There Are Consequences for Your F***ing Actions…You Should Expect a Violent Reaction. And You Deserve a Violent Reaction.”
  • Jurek Lambasts Elizabeth Warren, Suggests That Warren Does Not Deserve Support Solely Due to Being a Woman.
  • Jurek: “Like F**k if We Can Beat Donald Trump, as Long as We Nominated a Woman. Like F***ing Idiot. Like What the F**k? The World is on Fire. This is an Emergency Situation, and You’re Hung Up on Vaginas.”
#Expose2020 – PART 2: Bernie 2020 Field Organizer, Kyle Jurek: “There Are Things That Are More Important Than the Rule of Law in the United States”; Declares That His Views Are Shared by Many Others Within the Sanders Campaign; Secret Service Notified Over POTUS Assassination Concern


  • Kyle Jurek, Iowa Field Organizer, Sanders Campaign, Says That Stalin Had a Legitimate Reason to Use Gulags, Claiming Gulags Were “Better Than What the CIA Has Told Us They Were.”
  • Jurek Claims That “…Our Prisons, in the United States Right Now, Are Far Worse. Far Worse Than Anything That They Experienced in a F***ing Gulag. Like People Get Raped. People Get F***ing, Work Twelve Hours a Day. People Have to go Fight Fires in California for a Dollar. You Know What I Mean? That’s F***ed up. That’s Super F***ed Up. Soviet Union Didn’t do That S**t.”
  • Believes That Americans Opposed to Socialism Must be Re-Educated.
  • Jurek: “Like and No Matter What Country and What Laws Were, That Exist, They’re Irrelevant to, There Are Things Greater Than Those Systems, Right? There Are Things That Are More Important Than the Rule of Law in the United States, When it Comes Down to the Existence of the Human Race.”
  • Admits to Participating in Antifa Events, Reveals That “A Lot of Them Are Probably on the Bernie Campaign.”
  • Tip From People Who Know Jurek Personally: Worried He Might Try to Assassinate President Trump


#Expose 2020: ANOTHER Bernie 2020 Field Organizer: “I’ll Straight Up Get Armed…I’m Ready for the F***ing Revolution…Guillotine the Rich”; Praises the Soviet Union, Advocates Sending “All the Republicans to the Re-Education Camps” – PART 3


  • Martin Weissgerber, South Carolina Field Organizer, Sanders Campaign: “Leave it to the Soviets to Make the Most Badass F***ing, Most Effective Gun in the World…AK (47)…The Destroyer of Imperialism and Colonization…That’s Why I Want to Get it (AK-47) Tattooed on Me.”
  • Martin Weissgerber: “I’ll Straight Up Get Armed, I Want to Learn How to Shoot, and Go Train. I’m Ready for the F***ing Revolution…I’m Telling You. Guillotine the Rich.”
  • Weissgerber: “Let’s Force Them (Billionaires) to Build Roads…Rebuild Our Roads, Rebuild Our Dams, Rebuild Our Bridges. Let’s Force Them…”
  • Weissgerber: “What Will Help is When We Send All the Republicans to the Re-Education Camps.”
  • Weissgerber: “So, do We Just Cease – do We Just Dissolve the Senate, House of Representatives, the Judicial Branch, and Have Something Bernie Sanders and a Cabinet of People, Make All Decisions for the Climate? I Mean, I’m Serious.”
  • Weissgerber: “The Soviet Union Was Not Horrible…I Mean, for Women’s Rights the Soviet Union – I Think – the Most Progressive Place to Date in the World.”
  • Weissgerber Reveals That His Father is a Belgian Marxist Who Participated in the May 1968 Civil Unrest in Paris, France.
  • Weissgerber Says That His Mother is “Really Left as Well, but She Can’t Make Her Views Known Because She Works for WBUR, which is NPR…”


#Expose 2020: TWO MORE Bernie 2020 Field Organizers in South Carolina: Sanders Campaign Attracts “Truly Radical People”; “Have to Make Plans for Extreme Action”; “ANTIFA…Yellow Vests…Keeping That on Back-Burner”; “Strip Power Away from Capitalists…Directing That Violence Towards Property”; Claim That Gulag Stories are Exaggerated – PART 4


  • Mason Baird, South Carolina Field Organizer, Sanders Campaign: “I’ve Canvassed with Someone Who’s an Anarchist, and with Someone Who’s a Marxist/Leninist. So, We Attract Radical, Truly Radical People in the Campaign…Obviously That’s Not Outward Facing.”
  • Mason Baird: “A Lot of Those People Who Do That Kind of Work, are…Their Politics Fall Well Outside of the American Sort of Norm. So, They’re Marxist-Leninists, They’re Anarchists, They’re These Types of Folks, and um, and They Have More of a Mind for Direct Action, for Engaging in Politics Outside of the Electoral System.”
  • Baird: “A Lot of the Stories We’re Told in the United States About, You Know, the Gulags and the Persecution of the Kulaks and Things Like That are Exaggerated…We Certainly Don’t Have, uh, a Straight Perspective on That Stuff Here in America.”
  • Baird: “We Would Need a Federal Government and a Labor Movement That is Working Together to Strip Power Away from Capitalists and Preferably Directing That Violence Towards Property.”
  • Baird: “It Would, it’s Gonna Take, You Know, it’s Gonna Take Militancy… Like a Militant Labor Movement That’s Willing to…Strike, and if Necessary, You Know, Just Destroy Property and Things Like That.”
  • Daniel Taylor, South Carolina Field Organizer, Sanders Campaign: “We Don’t Want to Scare People Off, So You Kinda Have to Feel it Out Before You Get into the Crazy Stuff…More, More Extreme Organizations and Stuff Like Antifa, You Know You Were Talking About Yellow Vests and All That; But, You Know We’re Kinda Keeping That, Keeping That on the Back-Burner for Right Now.”
  • Daniel Taylor: “It is Unfortunate That We Have to Make Plans for Extreme Action, But Like I Said, They’re Not Going to Give it to Us, Even if Bernie is Elected.”
 

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^ it fucking sucks that we're even discussing this. we're in a world where trump, as a presidential candidate, encouraged supporters at a rally to harm a protester and told them he'd cover their legal bills. he also praised a congressman who assaulted a reporter. it's absolutely mind-boggling.

encouraging and commiting violent acts are wrong. it's wrong whether you're the president or a bernie supporter.

i'm not suggesting trump is 'to blame'. it's a complex issue in which political leaning is largely irrelevant.

but i believe that trump has a responsibility to lead by example when it comes to division and violence and, in this regard, he is absolutely derelict.

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but i believe that trump has a responsibility to lead by example when it comes to division and violence and, in this regard, he is absolutely derelict.

He is absolutely derelict. And he's not the first - Obama set race relations and law enforcement back to the 50's. I can't go to earlier Presidents, because honestly, I wasn't paying attention. The oval office has a powerful influence on the masses, which seems lost on recent Presidents. What also sucks is I see nobody (from either side) capable of stepping into the oval office and correcting it, or even interested in attempting to do so.
 

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^ it fucking sucks that we're even discussing this. we're in a world where trump, as a presidential candidate, encouraged supporters at a rally to harm a protester and told them he'd cover their legal bills. he also praised a congressman who assaulted a reporter. it's absolutely mind-boggling.

encouraging and commiting violent acts are wrong. it's wrong whether you're the president or a bernie supporter.

i'm not suggesting trump is 'to blame'. it's a complex issue in which political leaning is largely irrelevant.

but i believe that trump has a responsibility to lead by example when it comes to division and violence and, in this regard, he is absolutely derelict.

alasdair

This is an example of our selective memories and denial of leftwing violence while amplifying literally any transgressions committed by Trump supporters. I don't even want this to be a "left vs right" thing but it's important to recognize the truth and reality. The very first politically murderous act of Trump's reign was a Bernie supporter trying to murder Republicans during a softball game and he almost killed Rep Steve Scalise. Just recently a crazy never-Trumper drove his car into a crowd of old Boomer republicans in Florida who were signing up voters. Barely got media coverage compared to if the roles were reversed. Also whenever a leftie does something like this the media doesn't obsessively look into their personal affairs for any group connections (I'm insinuating that if you did with this guy you'd probably see direct links to Antifa or other groups).

If Trump has a responsibility to do what you say then so does the liberal media and leftists in general. Conservatives generally call for restraint after an incident, while liberals call for BLOOD.
 
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