- Jan 23, 2018
One reason that I know a lot of hate directed at Trump is because of him personally and not the values he holds or policy-wise is due to old clips like this:
1. Any idea when that clip is from?One reason that I know a lot of hate directed at Trump is because of him personally and not the values he holds or policy-wise is due to old clips like this:
I agree that establishment Dems probably see Bernie as a bigger threat to them than Trump, because at least Trump is chummy with the corporate interests and is toeing the line. I'm wondering why it is you aren't pulling for Bernie, in that case?The US Democratic and the Republican parties are on the same page when it comes to the issue that really matters - the ideology that infuses US foreign policy and how it is used to bankroll the US economy and the mega-rich.
Since Bernie Sanders is an outspoken critic of that same ideology, both the Democratic and Republican parties are in full agreement that Bernie cannot be President. Indeed, the Democratic party mandarins see him as a much bigger threat than Trump. In fact, the Democrats don't really see Trump as a threat at all.
The highest priority for any political party is to become or stay necessary and relevant. That doesn't mean actually being in power, a position of necessary and relevant opposition will do very well.
The US Democratic party is therefore content to see Trump re-elected because:
1) Trump will continue to toe the line on the Dem-Rep unified party line on foreign policy and American exceptionalism.
2) Trump would probably beat Bernie in the unlikely event that he is allowed to become the Democratic nominee.
3) By hysterically sounding the alarm on Trump's 'autocratic leanings', the Democratic party continues to remain a 'necessary and relevant bulwark against Trump's encroaching fascism'.
In all of it, the vast majority of American's are being profoundly manipulated and deceived.
I think those of us on the left need to take a long look in the mirror and have an honest conversation about what’s going on.
If you had told me three years ago that I would ever attend a Donald Trump rally, I would have laughed and assured you that was never going to happen. Heck, if you had told me I would do it three months ago, I probably would have done the same thing. So, how did I find myself among 11,000-plus Trump supporters in Manchester, New Hampshire? Believe it or not, it all started with knitting.
I had attended an event with all the Democratic contenders just two days prior in exactly the same arena, and the contrast was stark. First, Trump completely filled the arena all the way up to the top. Even with every major Democratic candidate in attendance the other night, and the campaigns giving away free tickets, the Democrats did not do that. With Trump, every single person was unified around a singular goal. With the Democrats, the audience booed over candidates they didn’t like and got into literal shouting matches with each other. With Trump, there was a genuinely optimistic view of the future. With the Democrats, it was doom and gloom. With Trump, there was a genuine feeling of pride of being an American. With the Democrats, they emphasized that the country was a racist place from top to bottom.
The reality is that many people I spoke to do disagree with Trump on things. They don’t always like his attitude. They wish he wouldn’t tweet so much. People who are in cults don’t question their leaders. The people I spoke with did, but the pros in their eyes far outweighed the cons. They don’t love him because they think he’s perfect. They love him despite his flaws, because they believe he has their back.
As I left the rally—walking past thousands of people who were watching it on a giant monitor outside the arena because they couldn’t get in—I knew there was no way Trump would lose in November. Absolutely no way. I truly believe that it doesn’t matter who the Democrats nominate: Trump is going to trounce them. If you don’t believe me, attend one of his rallies and see for yourself. Don’t worry, they really won’t hurt you.
Today, I voted in the New Hampshire Democratic Primary for Pete Buttigieg. I genuinely feel that Pete would be great for this country, and maybe he’ll have his opportunity in the future. But tomorrow, I’ll be changing my voter registration from Democrat to Independent and walking away from the party I’ve spent the past 20 years in to sit in the middle for a while. There are extremes in both parties that I am uncomfortable with, but I also fundamentally believe that most people on both sides are good, decent human beings who want the best for the country and have dramatic disagreements on how to get there. But until we start seeing each other as human beings, there will be no bridging the divide. I refuse to be a part of the divisiveness any longer. I refuse to hate people I don’t know simply because they choose to vote for someone else. If we’re going to heal the country, we have to start taking steps toward one another rather than away.
I think the Democrats have an ass-kicking coming to them in November, and I think most of them will be utterly shocked when it happens, because they’re existing in an echo chamber that is not reflective of the broader reality. I hope it’s a wake-up call that causes them to take a long look in the mirror and really ask themselves how they got here. Maybe then they’ll start listening. I tend to doubt it, but I can hope.
does anybody here sincerely believe that trump has the back of the average trump voter (whatever that means)?...because they believe he has their back.
Because Trump through his election to the presidency, whether purposefully or unwittingly or both, has exposed a lot of government corruption that Sanders refused to call out when he decided to play politician while they fucked him. For all the negative things you could say about Trump's tactless demeanor, he doesn't take as much political shit from these people and often straight calls them out on it. Now am I happy with how much he's done to investigate and prosecute all that exposed corruption? Fuck no. Do I think Sanders will do more than Trump? Fuck no. Sanders speak about very real problems but he has shit solutions. At least Trump is realistic and is seemingly doing at least something to make this broken system more tolerable for the average person (at least economically). My preferred candidate has always been Gabbard for her anti-war stance. If you want to fix the country then stop the indiscriminate spending for the military to engage in unnecessary overseas conflicts (Sanders is quite quick and content to approve defense spending budget bills). Save that money and put it back into the country to raise the overall standard of living. Another upside to stopping the wars is that you're not blowing up innocent babies in developing countries.I agree that establishment Dems probably see Bernie as a bigger threat to them than Trump, because at least Trump is chummy with the corporate interests and is toeing the line. I'm wondering why it is you aren't pulling for Bernie, in that case?
He's done more to end them (Syria, NK) than start new ones like Dubya and Obomber were wont to do . But I disagree with the decision to assassinate Soleimani for Israel. Trump could allow the Zionists to push him into a war with Iran if he's not careful.Yeah but Trump is not ending the wars...
If you disagree put forth an argument.wtf?
As of now the war has not started so we cannot say that Trump started a war with Iran. It looked like he was about to start a war with NK and then the opposite happened, they became open for talks with the US and took action to improve their relationship with South Korea. This was a +1 for Trump and those were anti-war results (his opponents refuse to concede that though). I mentioned to ongoing tension with Iran and I criticize Trump for that, but I'm more realistic, as opposed to heaping all the blame on Trump like the libs love to do, I can see how he is capitulating to Israel in order to gain some concessions from them or allow domestic wins back home.Trump is starting a war with Iran.
This is anti-Trump, liberal media propaganda. Anything he does is spun as a negative. Liberals don't even really care about the Kurds (the only reason we support the Kurds is because it's geo-strategically beneficial for Israel to have infighting among the 4 countries in which the Kurds reside). The Kurds just became a MSM talking point after Trump took the anti-war move of pulling troops out of Syria (US troops should never have been there in the first place and it was hilarious to see liberals cheering for more war and troops in Syria). Putin did the majority of the work in destroying ISIS in Syria but Trump did help towards the end and did take some action against ISIS (it was Obama/Hillary who were discreetly pro-ISIS). But then Trump goes and assassinates Soleimani who was one of ISIS's mortal enemies - the ISIS publication cheered that assassination and called it a present from God. Again this was pressure on Trump from the Israelis (Soleimani was #1 on their hit list according to Jerusalem Post October 2019).He pulled out of Syria (abandoning our Kurdish allies and strengthening ISIS's position)
I'm not happy with the results compared to his promises, but he's still infinitely better on this issue than any of the politicians in recent history and every single current presidential candidate (minus Tulsi Gabbard).He's made big talk about stopping wars but it hasn't happened.
Yeah, source for that?
1. He voted in favor of use of force (euphemism for bombing) in 12 sovereign nations that never represented a threat to the U.S.:
2. He has accepted campaign money from Defense contractor Raytheon. He continues his undying support of the $1.5 trillion F-35 industry and said that predator drones "have done some very good things". Sanders has always voted in favor of awarding more corporate welfare for the military industrial complex - and even if he says he's against a particular war he ends up voting in favor of funding it.Afghanistan - Lebanon - Libya - Palestine - Somalia - Syria
Yemen - Yugoslavia - Haiti - Liberia - Zaire (Congo) - Sudan
3. He routinely backs appropriations for imperial wars, the corporate scam of Obamacare, wholesale surveillance and bloated defense budgets.
9. He expressed staunch support for the aid of violently right-wing separatist forces such as the self-styled Kosovo Liberation Army, whose members were trained as Mujahideen, during Clinton's 100-day bombing of Yugoslavia and Kosovo in 1999. He has an extensive record of supporting jihadist proxies for the overthrow of sovereign governments in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.
10. He supported Bill Clinton's sanctions against Iraq, sanctions that prohibited medicines for infants and children...more than 500,000 innocents killed for no other reason than that they were Iraqi.