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infinity

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i guess i could also read up, but this forum could use traffic and i'd like to hear some BLer opinions: most people hopefully know about this side effect, and i have heard mixed opinions so far: some say it will go away by itself, some say it "can be reversed"(?) while others say it's permanent... what's correct, and why?

maybe there are some steroids that are more prone to cause this? do routes of administration matter? how can it be avoided? what are common mistakes?
 

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Any steroid that is used in sufficient doses to promote protein synthesis will shut down the HPTA, or the body will have a negative feedback loop and shut off its testosterone production in the testes. Why should it send the message, LH and FSH, to the leydig cells, in the testes, to make testosterone when it is getting enough already. As long as a proper post cycle is used (clomid or nolvadex), atrophy will go away with time. This time depends on genetic factors and age. A 25 year old guy can bounce back much quicker than a 40 year old guy. Testicular atrophy doesnt have to happen though, so it is not a good indicator of having the HPTA shut down. When I cycle, my testes stay full, for the most part, but I definately wouldnt stop my cycle because I would crash. If no post cycle is used, then atrophy will remain until the body gets back on line itself, which could take time, and gains will be lost while this is happening. Some people would bounce back with 3 weeks without a post cycle and some would need 3 months, it is genetic.

There is more I could write but I am short for time and I am sure others can add to what I already said.
 

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is there a difference between ectomorph and endomorph people when it comes to this?
 

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infinity said:
is there a difference between ectomorph and endomorph people when it comes to this?
NO...this has nothing to do with body type...it is just the simple fact that while synthetic test is in the body the body will stop producing natural test until levels fall back to below normal then will start producing it on its on again...
 

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The atrophy may not be completely reversible in some cases.

In addition to atrophy, your testicles may recede into your body cavity and will eventually drop after test, levels return to normal. There was a major league baseball player that indicated this was the case for him. I cannot recall his name. %)
 

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scope101 said:
NO...this has nothing to do with body type...it is just the simple fact that while synthetic test is in the body the body will stop producing natural test until levels fall back to below normal then will start producing it on its on again...

yeah that's what i figured, but then again, the human body is full of surprises..
 

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PottedMeat said:
The atrophy may not be completely reversible in some cases.

In addition to atrophy, your testicles may recede into your body cavity and will eventually drop after test, levels return to normal. There was a major league baseball player that indicated this was the case for him. I cannot recall his name. %)

I hate to be rude but you really have NO idea what you are talking about. Where in the hell did you hear that the testicles "recede into the body cavity"? Please STOP posting of which you have no experience and NO knowledge.
 

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Where in the hell did you hear that the testicles "recede into the body cavity"?

as it often happens to people who don't even know how to spell "steroids", i can see it happen to people who encounter shrinking balls.. it's not unusual, and if you watch porn with juiced up actors you'll sometimes wonder where their balls went.. they're not small, they're GONE ;)

i don't know about reversibility, imho it shouldn't make much of a difference.
 

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Test usually shrinks the balls more so than winny or other non-test based steroids...

Usually, if you take clomid post-cycle for 21 days your nuts will come back. I did a 6 week transdermal cycle of tren and had my nuts go from grapes to rasins. The clomid brought em' back in 2 out of the 3 weeks...

If you know what your doing you can minimize/avoid just about all the bad sides of AS use.

Hey...maybe I can actually be usefull around here. AS are somthing I actually know about!
 

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scope101 said:
NO...this has nothing to do with body type...it is just the simple fact that while synthetic test is in the body the body will stop producing natural test until levels fall back to below normal then will start producing it on its on again...

That process you just described is called a negative-feedback loop....
 

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well there are several types of test, and then there are test blends like sust....winny is diffrent chemically
 

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I would use "HCG" or "CLOMID" to help with this problem...It seems like you need to get your natural test levels back up...If you wanna stick it out over about 6 weeks try about 40MG ZINC everyday along with GABA

BOOYAMS

holla
 

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PassMeTheVicks said:
Last time I checked, all steroids are test based

well better check again..LOL...seriously though only AS with test in them are test based bro...winny fina dbol anavar eq deca anadrol etc etc...are not test based as stated they are totally different chemical than test.
 

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agreed...i think i would have known if i had taken some form of test....

People stack test with winny/fina (trenbolone acetate) to get better gains....

If all 'roids were testosterone based why would people take test cyp. and test prop. in their stacks?

LOL....obviously all AS are hormone-related, but they have diffrent chemical structures when compared to pure testosterone. Thats why they have diffrent names and work through diffrent methods of action, yielding diffrent results.

Take for example d-bol...which makes you retain water like a mofo...winny does not.
 

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LOL yeah dude...haha i laughed when i read that you wrote "meaning?"...and then i laughed more when i read your last post...LOL
 

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what you might want to learn about is hcg.
It mimics lh and gives direct stimulation of the testicles.
Hcg can also be used during cycle to prevent atrophy for happen in the first place rather than after.
 
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