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Tackling the bigger issues - Gay education to kids

And which of your 50 A.D.D. points are we meant to pay attention to?

How can you make a claim that the "gay community" has admitted the world is not ready for it? Was there some form of consultation that I missed out on? Because I sure mustn't have been present at that meeting when my "community" decided that. Or at least, I didn't notice that question on the census when I filled it in.

I completely disagree that it's selfish to raise a child on your own. Some people don't "choose" to raise a child on their own. It is a situation that is forced upon them. And even for the ones that do, it's certainly not being selfish - they have as much right to have children as any couple. And for one, we as a society want and need people to have children [given the aging population etc.].

The rest of your dribble is hard to decipher so I'll leave it at that.
 
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Buy your child replica guns - expose them to the full spectrum of violence. Allow them to watch horror movies - show them the full spectrum of revulsion. Fill their minds with the addiction of consumerism and pollute their bodies with crap posing as food.

But don't, what ever you do, teach them about love.
 
THR! said:
And which of your 50 A.D.D. points are we meant to pay attention to?

How can you make a claim that the "gay community" has admitted the world is not ready for it? Was there some form of consultation that I missed out on? Because I sure mustn't have been present at that meeting when my "community" decided that. Or at least, I didn't notice that question on the census when I filled it in.

I completely disagree that it's selfish to raise a child on your own. Some people don't "choose" to raise a child on their own. It is a situation that is forced upon them. And even for the ones that do, it's certainly not being selfish - they have as much right to have children as any couple. And for one, we as a society want and need people to have children [given the aging population etc.].

The rest of your dribble is hard to decipher so I'll leave it at that.
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the question isnt on the census. its irrelavant... :\ why do you think so many peole have trouble "coming out" ? so no, the world isnt ready for it yet. seeing as it has been around since time began and we are STILL not ready for it, maybe there is a message somewhere in there for you...
 
Of course it's not on the census spastic [I still reserve the right to use that world, regardless of any connotations it might have!].

Don't say the world is not ready for it. A dwindling section of the community isn't ready for it (you being a part of that minority). To a certain extent you could say that about any minority. There is always a section of society that dislikes another. You just happen to pick gays because it's an easy target (and it's not socially acceptable to be racist nowadays (with good reason)).

People have troubling coming out because they haven't accepted themselves, not necessarily because family or peers won't. It is a completely confusing experience, which a lot of people are not comfortable with. So it's really a case of them not being ready for it. Although I will concede that in some cases environment and surroundings do make it more difficult.

And finally, I don't think I could ever get a 'message' from you. You're obviously pretty intolerant/prejudiced, and frankly, your posts never touch on anything that hasn't been discussed before (i.e. your opinions are really just reproducing the same arguments over and over again).
 
DQ- I totally agree with you that children can be raised by a sole parent or a sole gender but it is still important for them to have both male and female influences purely because it gives them an understanding of how the world works. im sure that your son, even though he has had quite a strong female influence in his life, that you still make sure he is surrounded by some males, purely because he is male, and i think that children can sometimes only communicate with parents/influences of their own gender on some issues.
i know for me personally i could never have discussed periods with my dad or any other male at the time.
 
THR! said:
Of course it's not on the census spastic [I still reserve the right to use that world, regardless of any connotations it might have!].

Don't say the world is not ready for it. A dwindling section of the community isn't ready for it (you being a part of that minority). To a certain extent you could say that about any minority. There is always a section of society that dislikes another. You just happen to pick gays because it's an easy target (and it's not socially acceptable to be racist nowadays (with good reason)).

People have troubling coming out because they haven't accepted themselves, not necessarily because family or peers won't. It is a completely confusing experience, which a lot of people are not comfortable with. So it's really a case of them not being ready for it. Although I will concede that in some cases environment and surroundings do make it more difficult.

And finally, I don't think I could ever get a 'message' from you. You're obviously pretty intolerant/prejudiced, and frankly, your posts never touch on anything that hasn't been discussed before (i.e. your opinions are really just reproducing the same arguments over and over again).
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i dont "pick on" anyone. let alone gays. you have presented an argument, i have stated my opinion on it, you didnt like it.

id like to know when racism was socially acceptable too... never has been in my neck of the woods. maybe that was the norm for you ?
 
holloway road said:
i dont "pick on" anyone. let alone gays. you have presented an argument, i have stated my opinion on it, you didnt like it.

id like to know when racism was socially acceptable too... never has been in my neck of the woods. maybe that was the norm for you ?
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Don't put words in quotes that I never said.
 
kill this fucking thread already, it's just going around in circles and no-one has brought up anything noteworthy for at least 4 pages
 
throw me a bone peechy

preacha said:
"johnny's mum is a rugmunching munter" without the aforementioned knowledge of reproduction.
motherfuckers, they are still going to be eating clag, don't give kids so much credit
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who is johnny ? how can i help him in all seriousness ?

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-wheres johnny ?
 
THR! said:
Of course it's not on the census spastic [I still reserve the right to use that world, regardless of any connotations it might have!].

"gee, you would NEVER want to complain about being called a faggot again, now..."

you just happen to pick gays because it's an easy target (and it's not socially acceptable to be racist nowadays (with good reason).

"there is where i was quoting you"


You're obviously pretty intolerant/prejudiced, and frankly, your posts never touch on anything that hasn't been discussed before (i.e. your opinions are really just reproducing the same arguments over and over again).
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tolerance isnt the word here. its acceptence. i accept the people, not there acts. i dont have to. its just like being raised in a multi racial neighborhood. you accept the people, but you dont tolerate there behaviors.
 
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What is acceptance when comes with a qualifier?

What someone does is centrifugal to them; how can you differentiate what parts you do and do not accept about someone when they are so interwined?


I'm going to give your post the benefit of the doubt, but I would really hope you're not comparing homosexuality to behaviours that cause harm to other people...:\

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In response to the OP - I find it appalling that 'education' (which it shouldn't have to be in the first place) like this should be deemed inappropriate. Gay people are a part of the world we live in and they always have been - it's about time people stopped sweeping sexuality under the carpet like it's something to be ashamed of. Not to mention the ever-increasing blur of the line of sexuality...as that will get me completely off-topic :).

It has a stigma that is a result of an eon of negative social conditioning stemming from a whole fuck load of mis-conceived notions stemming from a lack of understanding (on both behalves to a certain degree). I can only guess this would have been a result of it contravening the individual's supposed 'natural' right to reproduce (excuse my lack of formal sociological knowledge).

Gay people are not going away, there's no cure (and noone should want there to be) and the sooner people latch onto this thought the better. Fucktards who think that our children knowing gay people exist necessarily incorporates them being shown pictures of butt-fucking make me want to scream - does a child's exposure to the heterosexual family unit at those ages mean they get exposed to pornos and playboy? Of course not. They do however play family based games in the schoolyard and are constantly reinforced that mum + dad = normal by books, movies, tv and their influencers.

I am so disappointed that this even goes on today, I know a lot of people hold this attitude but it makes me sad that even the consensus who decides on issues like this do. :(
 
Just wrote massive (for me ) [post on this subject and bigotry in general, and lost it due to being timed out , I am fucking sick of this happening, big brother is preventing me from expressing myself !!!!!!!!!!!

MDPV madness kicking in here !



Big Brother you arsehole we are at war with OCEANIA
 
silvia saint said:
what, no adam and steve "joke"? hillsong is back up, i assume the site was down when you posted?
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Yes, please go pray for us all or some other worthwhile activity 8)
 
Mary Poppins said:
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What is acceptance when comes with a qualifier?

What someone does is centrifugal to them; how can you differentiate what parts you do and do not accept about someone when they are so interwined?


I'm going to give your post the benefit of the doubt, but I would really hope you're not comparing homosexuality to behaviours that cause harm to other people...:\

*****

Gay people are not going away, there's no cure (and noone should want there to be) and the sooner people latch onto this thought the better. Fucktards who think that our children knowing gay people exist necessarily incorporates them being shown pictures of butt-fucking make me want to scream - does a child's exposure to the heterosexual family unit at those ages mean they get exposed to pornos and playboy? Of course not. They do however play family based games in the schoolyard and are constantly reinforced that mum + dad = normal by books, movies, tv and their influencers.(
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there not going to go away ? damn...8) and there is no cure ? double damn...:p

geez... it makes me wonder how much insight these people have. do you honestly think your stereotype that you have stated exists ? cos if it does, well the world defintly isnt ready for you guys yet. and no, i dont think that way. your the last kind to want to go stereotyping.

i just dont see any place whatsoever for alternative sexuality(s) in the school curriculum. they are probably not going to spare a teacher for a class of, oh, about 2 i reckon. :\
 
^Education is (OUGHT TO BE) a reflection of society so your point is that it's acceptable to be bigoted on financial grounds ? yes or am I so gone i miss your point?






zophen
 
holloway's point is that there is no room for teachings of alternative sexuality in our mainstream schools, just as we do not have teaching of alternative religions, alternative sciences, etc.

i agree with his point of view.

our educational system is not based on challenging the norm, rather it is designed to integrate its students into it's way of thinking. due to this, i believe that we need to keep our educational system as streamlined as possible.

my question is where does it stop, after we hear the incessant whining from minorities from all walks of life wanting to throw their two cents into the way we allow teachers to educate our youth?

we will end up catering to every single minority's beck and call, absorbing every single point of view regardless of how it may conflict with another view. Will there be any time for children to actually learn something , rather than the graceful art of not standing on anyone's toes? Of course not.

education regarding alternative sexuality belongs in the home, not in our schools (i also think the same about sex education and religious education in general). it is time for parents to begin acting like parents and attempt to mold their children's minds in a positive way, as well as inform them about the world that they have lived in for so much longer than their offspring.

once they have been through our educational system with the base facts, as well as the knowledge imparted by their parents can they truly know what is normal within our society.

then, only when we have observed normalcy can we actually challenge it.
 
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