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Russian Gas Attack - What was it?

I’m sure they were caught completely by surprise. I thought it was possibly either because:
The gas used WAS a mixture, and as mentioned by the German toxicologist, contained halothane (and fentanyl). Or more likely perhaps
The gas was released in such a way that some people were exposed to higher concentrations for prolonged periods. As Dr Karl mentioned on JJJ this morning - and I'm sure you are no doubt aware Baby_doc - highly qualified anesthetists are there to maintain the fine balance between Consciousness & Unconsciousness & Death.
Not the expected qualifications of the average enlisted Russian soldier, or commander for that matter.
Fentanyl is such a powerful drug, and if halothane was used, it could have been partly responsible as it too has long been associated with myocardial depression and respiratory failure.
Either way they were not prepared for the outcome. Perhaps the commander in charge naively thought it was really just "sleeping" gas, or in fact didn't know at all.
 
An Answer at last?

I know this is a bit old news, but it's always interesting to get a followup report on a mysterious subject or event, as this surely was.


After scimming through this paper, it looks as if the hardly heard voices of a few qualified scientists were likely spot-on when suggesting Halothane. Strange that although it was suggested by a few at the time that the combination could be a fentanyl analogue with a halothane type anesthetic, the Western media never really seemed to pick up on it.


Thanks to Rhodium for hosting:

From: Unexpected "Gas" Casualties in Moscow: A Medical Toxicology Perspective

In October 2002, the Russian military used a mysterious “gas” to incapacitate Chechen rebels at a Moscow theater. Despite increased interest in the potential use of lethal chemical weapons in recent years, the medical community has paid little attention to the development of incapacitating, calmative, and “less than lethal” technologies. In this analysis, we review the events surrounding the use of a calmative “gas” during the Russian military action and discuss what is currently known about fentanyl derivatives, their aerosolization, and the rationale for their use as incapacitating agents. Collectively, the available evidence strongly suggests that a combination of a potent aerosolized fentanyl derivative, such as carfentanil, and an inhalational anesthetic, such as halothane, was used. The paper also assesses potential errors leading to the loss of a substantial number of hostages. Several lessons can be learned from this surprising and novel use of an incapacitating gas.
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About the gaz used in Moscou

After having watched to an BBC-show, I found very interesting informations about those gazes.

First, Fentanyl an Sofentanyl isn't intensive enough to clear 1000 people on an area of 13500 m³.
For Fentanyl their must been introduced an quantity of 19,2 Kg (of gaz!!!) impossible!!!
Only the Fentanyl-derivate Carfentanyl has this capacity.
After calculating an average value; to shut-down the tchechen-hostage takers their had been introduced an value of apprx.: 640gr. (of gaz) Possible!
But the russians had only an dying rate of under 15% (129 from 1000) that were impossible with carfentanyl; because carfentanyl causes to stops respiration;
so they had developed an new gaz witch isn't cleared up by european or american developers!
Last year their was an inovation on this sector;
devolopers found an method to react anti-respirating of the concerned persons.
carfentanyl in combination with WNU-8.

Personally I think Russian Special Forces had done the right thing, because the risk that they blew-up the whole 1000 hostages was too High! And they must done introduce the gaz in a high quantity because the tchechen rebels are trained, and had the highest resistance in the whole room!
Other tag: Not the gaz did took the live of 129people,
but it was the position how they fell asleep, they were killed because their neck had felt backwards, making the respirations badly and the blood circulation badly too!
Russian Special Forces had to wait until to be sure that the tchechen were asleept (it took 1 hour!)

The anti-opiate Naloxan couldn't be introduce enough because most of the hostages were already dead!

German specialists hadn't found carfentanyl in the blood and urin, because the new opiate-narcotic gaz of russian SF
were a new chemical (perhaps carfentanyl with WNU-8)

But 129 died, still to much!

pls, don't watch my grammar I'm from Luxemburg :)
 
Thanks for the interesting post. I had thought about Carfentanyl when first looking for compounds which may have been used in the attack.
 
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