What if it was fixable - If he was still here. Just still lost. How do you help yourself - when you don't have an answer or know what's left to ask? When you never got to meet the one person who may have got you or it. Where can you go where do you want to go? I lost a piece of me when I found out Vortech Died - I tried to say Hi to him, and it didn't work out. Now, I'm just unsure. I want to be positive. How? I never got to meet Cliff - but it felt like it at times when we talked via MXE. But was that really it?
I think he finished the mxe one it would be nice to get a copy of it uploaded. I was starting helping him with a new book on different dissos but he just stopped responding one-day.WTF?!? Anyone know if he finished the books he was writing?
How did they fuck up your body? Bladder damage?Dissos fucked up my body very badly to the point that I could end up killing myself from pain or opioids someday even though I haven't touched them in 4 years.
Bladder damage.How did they fuck up your body? Bladder damage?
I’ve been using and abusing dissociatives for 13 years, a lot of that time it was IV (ketamine, Mxe and 3 meo pcp). I still continue to use them on average once a week but somwtkems times more than that, 2-3 times a week.
I have not noticed any physical symptoms. In fact I’m probably in better shape now than I ever was before.
My brain is not as sharp as it used to be, I think I can blame dissos for that. But anytime I’ve taken a few months off my memory and cognition return to normal.
Blaming dissociatoves for his cancer seems like jumping to conclusions. Correlation does not equal causation. I feel we’d probably have heard something about ACH’s cancer causing properties by now of that were the case.
I’m not here to convince anyone, including myself, that dissociatives (or any other drug for that matter) are safe to abuse.Bladder damage.
Vortech died of bile duct cancer.
Ketamime is linked to bile duct damage and inflammation. Tons of science on this. Chronic inflammation of the billary tree is linked to bile duct cancer.
Bile duct system problems that cause digestive issues or jaundice and develop into a chronic disease are considered risk factors for bile duct cancer. Learn about bile duct cancer risk factors here.www.cancercenter.com
No other drug I've ever seen is as convincing as dissociatives as convincing you that they are safer than they are. you will rationalize away the scientific fact that dissocistives damage the bile duct and that bile duct damage increases cancer incidence as "jumping to conclusions"
Throw in the added factor that all those RCs are full of contaminants and metals from Chinese labs. Heavy metals used to synthesis reactions leach everywhere including into recrystallized product.
So anyway, before any of y'all start playing the game 'which of the 100 research chemicals, plants and other drugs broke the liver of this lab rat', keep note this pre-existing condition (which itself is directly linked to a another pre-existing condition, Ulcerative Colitis diagnosed in 1991, which led to complete removal of colon in 199 it is neigh impossible to guess. I'm not trying to release myself of any accountability, I don't think there was anything I could have done to prevent this. Maybe slow it down, but there isn't a good idea how exactly to do that....except for the only recently promising treatment in the pipeline, FECAL TRANSPLANT! (link to good video on the subject
I’m not here to convince anyone, including myself, that dissociatives (or any other drug for that matter) are safe to abuse.
Everything in moderation. Do as I say not as I do (I’m an addict, dissos are my DOC)
But here is a quote from Vortech implying it was due to pre existing conditions. Maybe he's just a delusional psychonaut trying to take blame away from the drugs:
I wont deny that dissociative abuse CAN cause cancer. But there are no documented cases of it as of yet. I also remember Vortech saying it was from a pre existing condition in one of his last posts. He had his colon removed long before becoming addicted to drugs.
I just want to note that vortech's is probably smiling down from dissociative heaven smiling at the fact that people are debating and learning in his RIP thread. I think many might get offended at off topic stuff in their RIP thread if they were able to look back at it after death, but vortech, I'm sure, is the opposite and truly probably does get a kick out of the above exchange, in his own unique vortech way.