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RFD: Alcohol overdose - Encouraged by society?

this is just the sort of thread ive been looking to start. The other night i realised that ALCOHOL is one of the most fucked up drugs on this planet. Im having a very hard time comming to terms with its legality. It alone is responsible for more death, beatings, rapes, murders and crime then any other drugs combined. Yet it is socially acceptable and EXPECTED. How can this be? If i had to compare the effects of alcohol and pot id see a clear distinction. When alot of my friends get drunk they get angry and frustrated. Whenever i go out on the street all i see are drunk people making total fools of themselves, getting into fights and bitch slapping each other around. Im standing there stonned and i swear i feel like im on some higher level of intelligence. In my opinion alcohol takes us back to our primative days where all we thought about was procreation... Take a bunch of drunk people in an rnb club for example. I would say the majority of people that go to those places just want to show off and try and get fucked. Its true. And it REALLY pisses me off when i get talking to some drunk person who decides to get all self-rightgious by telling me its bad to smoke pot! Fuck that rubs me up the wrong way. Whenever any of my friends get really unbearably drunk i just shove a joint in their mouths and they fuckin shut the fuck up and chill out. Their anger and frustration dissapears... Im telling you.. i dont understand it.. why, if alcohol causes so much pain, is it legal?
 
Alcohol encouraged event, why?

I just saw a flyer for an event on this weekend and noticed it was an alcohol encouged event, I ask why.

This sort of thing and Big Brother have been pissing me off lately.

I do not understand why alcohol is accepted so openly and blatently when it's obviercely not good for you.

Big Brother is the annoying part, what happens when you put a bunch of people in a house for a number of weeks, they get bored and people get bored watching, so add alcohol to make them act differently.

A couple of nights ago I watched as one of the girls was dared to scull a very full glass of red wine, then they showed her saying how she had thrown up overnight. Fantastic what alcohol does for you isn't it.

Now I'm young and impressionable.

Why encourage alcohol. Thats right it's taxed and legal so it must be safe, just like ciggy's
 
Thanks waz! Threads merged. Doofhard brings up an interesting point about BigBrother. I don't watch the show - but do all of the people drink to excess in there? Is there anyone who abstains or is it just the thing to do because there is nothing else to occupy the time?

I get the feeling "alcohol encouraged event" is a nice way of saying "if you want to get fucked up just use the legal drugs"... or rather "for goodness' sake, please don't overdose on 1,4B here, it's the last thing we need"...

BigTrancer :)
 
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Re: Alcohol encouraged event, why?

doofhard said:
I do not understand why alcohol is accepted so openly and blatently when it's obviercely not good for you.

Alcohol is completely ingrained into our culture and has been for a very long time. It’s associated with special events (remember when you were small and were allowed to have a small glass of champagne at a family event), sporting hero's (Australian cricketers love to shower themselves in beer after a series win), having a good time, a way to relax. It’s also seen as a status symbol if you’re able to hold your alcohol well.

In fact those who choose not to drink are seen as weird, weak or gay.

Even the liver of westerners has evolved to process alcohol more effectively.

So alcohol is here to stay - as for illicit drugs becoming legal I think we all know that there is no point holding our breaths. Decimalisation would be a nice start.
 
I agree with what your saying BT, and your question "Why should this be any different with illegal drugs if they were legalised?"
There will always be people who push the boundaries of drugs and their body, regardless of what drugs are available and legal or illegal.
I think what your said about the safety margain is correct. I'm still in the stage of drinking heavily, according to society. I consume usually 50+ drinks per week and have for the last 2 or 3 years, and am very healthy.
Also the ease of just going up the street, and knowing you won't get in trouble is such a hassle free was to unwind, opposed to other drugs.
Society has shaped most of us into thinking it's OK, and to a certain extent I agree with them. You can't blame drugs for downfalls of society. Legalising drugs would just compound the problems of society IMO.
 
I won't offer much insight to this topic other than the fact that I've 'passed out' or had a few alcohol overdoses in my time. Very much so is it looked upon as a good thing - it's not - but abusing any substance is bad, not just alcohol.
 
Why is alcoholism more "Socially Acceptable" than Drug Usage?

I think it's basically obvious, going out and getting as pissed as a maggot down the local Bar/Pub/Club is completely legal.
I think most of society is scared of their kids (even if claimed to be used responsibly) taking drugs, mainly for the fact that the Drug Dealer is portrayed to be an evil person that has absolutely no regard what-so-ever for human life.

Not saying this goes out to all sources, but just think of all the drugs out on the street that have been made in un-hygienic, unsanitary environments.
Not to mention that most drugs are not made to "perfection", like most alcohol manafacturers would more than likely have strict cleanliness laws in manafacturing the product. These companies are constantly watched by the Heath Department. But then... how often does your local Drug Dealer get audited by the Health Inspection??

Then you have the worry of drug, passing off into "careless people's hands".

I know it would make more sense if we legalised all drug usage to a certain degree and then we wouldn't have t worry about these "Health and Safety Issues" like mentioned above... But remember, alcohol was once prohibited as well.;)
 
Binge drinking a consuming passion for young
By Amanda Dunn
Health Reporter
November 27, 2004


Young Australians, particularly women, are binge drinking at dangerous levels earlier and more often than ever before amid deepening concerns about the country's entrenched drinking culture.

But while those in their teens and 20s are the most visible of the binge drinkers, they are by no means drinking alone.

A survey to be released soon by the Alcohol Education and Rehabilitation Foundation, a private company that funds alcohol research and treatment, shows that 29 per cent of drinkers surveyed had been on a binge in the past year, including three-quarters of those under 18, and 2 per cent of those over 60.

In the survey of 500 people last month, 84 per cent said they were drinkers. Of those, 71 per cent said they drank at least monthly, while 16 per cent drank every day or most days.

And while the spotlight is most often focused on teenagers, research shows it is those in their 20s who, proportionally, are most likely to drink excessively.

Experts say that cleverly targeted advertisements and easier and cheaper access to alcohol are contributing to a shift in community expectations. They say alcohol is now viewed as an essential element of many social occasions, and that drinking to excess can be as much a source of pride as embarrassment.

Overall, Australia's alcohol consumption has fallen in the past two decades. Figures from the World Drink Trends survey show the estimated per capita consumption has tapered off from 9.8 litres in 1981-82 to 7.3 litres in 2001-02. But for the young, the lure of getting plastered - particularly for girls - has risen significantly in that time. A survey of Victorian secondary school students shows that those involved in risky drinking (more than six drinks in a session for males or more than four for females) among 16 to 17-year-old boys jumped from 29 per cent in 1984 to 43 per cent in 2002, while among girls the jump was from 30 per cent to 47 per cent. Among 12 to 15-year-old boys, 11 per cent were risky drinkers in 1984, rising to 18 per cent in 2002, while for girls, the rate leapt from 10 per cent to 24 per cent.

The problem has caught the attention of governments. The Federal Government has a National Alcohol Strategy, which includes research and education targeted at young people.

In Victoria, the parliamentary Drugs and Crime Prevention Committee is conducting an inquiry into ways of reducing harmful alcohol consumption.

A discussion paper released last month outlined areas of interest, including advertising, alcohol culture, the extent of its use and strategies for reducing harmful consumption.

While experts are quick to point out that most people drink responsibly, they say that many seem unaware of the risks of excessive drinking.

Melbourne University's Professor Margaret Hamilton has been involved in the study of alcohol and its effects for more than 30 years. In that time, she says, there has been a shift in the culture of alcohol in Australia. "We now assume alcohol has to be a part of our everyday activity, certainly anything to do with celebration or any distinguishing event," she says.

But more than that, Professor Hamilton believes the idea that alcohol makes a person more attractive - more vibrant and fun - has permeated the culture. "It's really a shift in what we think is attractive behaviour," she says.

David Crosbie, chief executive of Odyssey House, says peer group pressure is another strong influence. "If you go out and there's 10 of you in a group and you're all drinking, then you're all sharing something together," he says. And that in turn could be awkward, and alienating, for someone who chose not to drink.

"Certainly there isincredible pressure on people to enter into the spirit, to be part of it," he says. In fact, it is so entrenched in the culture that to not drink almost calls into question a person's "Australian-ness".

Mr Crosbie says there are two troubling trends: people are starting to binge drink younger; and women, in particular, are stepping up their drinking.

National Drug Research Institute figures show that for girls aged 14 to 17, the proportion drinking at levels that put them at risk of long-term harm rose from 1 per cent in 1998 to 9 per cent in 2001.

Mr Crosbie says an alarming number of young people are becoming alcohol dependent.

In the Alcohol Education and Rehabilitation Foundation's survey, 36 per cent of respondents agreed with the statement "it doesn't matter how much you drink, as long as you don't drive". Chief executive Daryl Smeaton believes people are aware of the dangers of excessive drinking, but "it's almost as if accepting that you don't drink and drive is a licence to drink as much as you like".

In the decade between 1993 and 2002, 2643 Australians aged 15 to 24 died from injuries or disease attributed to risky drinking, including suicide, road deaths and violence, according to a recent report from the National Drug Research Institute. From 1993-94 to 2001-02, 101,165 young people were admitted to hospital for alcohol-related problems.

As director of emergency at St Vincent's Hospital, Andrew Dent knows what these statistics look like. He says people frequently arrive with alcohol-related head injuries and hand injuries, and that emergency staff have their own shorthand - PFO (pissed and fell over) for such patients. But while much of the publicity is around younger drinkers, there are also concerns about their parents' generation.

Professor Hamilton has long predicted that alcohol issues will rise among older Australians who are more affluent and living longer. "I think if we were looking now we would probably find a significant proportion of older people drinking in a manner that's not good for their health," she says.

Dr Dent has noticed this too. He says St Vincent's has begun a study looking at the role of alcohol among older people coming to emergency with injuries.

From: http://www.theage.com.au/news/Natio...ssion-for-young/2004/11/26/1101219745018.html

BigTrancer :)
 
The Age - Opinion - 21 Feb 2005

Drink needs a serious rethink
February 21, 2005

Our youth culture is saturated with alcohol. Enough's enough, writes Rob Moodie.

Imagine a hot day out at a one-day cricket international at the "G", everyone's drinking, there are no controls on how many drinks you can buy, no plastic cups, just glasses, and the alcopops are making their way down the throats of a small but cheery group of under-age girls. The police turn a blind eye and there are no booze buses on the way home.

What happens? Eighty per cent of the crowd drink responsibly but an overenthusiastic 20 per cent get "full as a boot" and start fights, a couple of which get quite violent. This, and the fact that several under-age drinkers throw up all over their neighbours, end up spoiling the day of an adjoining 20 per cent of the crowd.

Two young men die in car crashes on the way home. Three women cop a beating when they refuse to give their drunken partners the dinners they demand when they get home.

Fortunately, many, but not all, aspects of this scenario no longer are part of Melbourne summers because we, as a community, have taken sensible steps to modify our own behaviour: controls on the number of drinks one can buy, police presence, plastic cups, and booze buses.

And yet, surveys show a stark increase over the past 20 years in the levels of young people in Australia drinking at harmful levels. The numbers of 16 to 17-year-old males who drank alcohol to such an extent as to risk short-term harm (more than six drinks in one session) in the week prior to the survey increased from 29 per cent in 1984 to 43 per cent in 2002. Similar patterns emerged for 12 to 15-year-old males, and for females. Harmful levels of drinking for 16 to 17-year-old females increased from 30 per cent in 1984 to 47 per cent in 2002. For 12 to 15-year-old girls who drank alcohol, harmful drinking increased from 10 per cent in 1984 to 24 per cent in 2002.

Alcohol-related admissions to emergency departments in Victoria rose by 20 per cent from 1999 to 2003.

As patterns of harmful drinking are increasing, young people's perceptions are that the dangers associated with it are reducing. Similarly, parents often do not see alcohol as being a concern, with the National Alcohol Campaign showing that fewer than 10 per cent of parents rated drinking too much alcohol as a major problem for Australian teenagers.

Over the past 20 years, much of the alcohol industry has been deregulated. Some of this has had major benefits - improved physical environments for drinking, increased restaurant trade and so on. But there are also major downsides to a "laissez-boire" approach. Just as we have reacted to the dangers of passive smoking, we are just starting to realise that there are a whole range of damaging effects that can arise from other people's harmful drinking (what I would call "passive drinking"). This includes violence in public, road deaths, domestic violence, homicides and fires.

Along with deregulation, we have had big increases in the amount of advertising and promotion of alcohol - billboard, TV, cinema, radio and press ads, ads on tram and bus stop shelters, ads on the backs of taxis, point-of-sale promotions, web banners, web pop-ups, spam emails, SMS marketing and, more recently, new "below-the-line" forms have appeared such as word-of-mouth campaigns called buzz marketing, mumble campaigns, giveaways, "guerilla" marketing and "roach" baiting. Indeed, booze has been normalised into our culture so much it's now in our biscuits and icy-poles.

Booze is probably cheaper, more accessible and more available in Australia today than at any other time in living memory.

Many countries around the world are debating the same issues, as will become clear at the International Thinking Drinking Conference beginning in Melbourne today.

In May, for the first time in 20 years, the World Health Organisation will debate a global resolution on the harms of alcohol. Research tells us that measures that work most effectively are often the least popular with governments. These measures include increasing prices, taxing drinks according to the volume of alcohol in them, and intensively countering alcohol advertising. They also include enforcing responsible serving of alcohol, holding the sellers of alcohol (and not just the drinkers) responsible for staying within the legal limits of consumption, and limiting alcohol licences. The least popular of these is increasing the minimum age for drinking.

In a recent review in The Lancet, Professor Robin Room, one of the International Thinking Drinking Conference's main drawcards, points out that there is a stark discrepancy between what research has shown to work and what policies governments will follow. As he says, "the interests of the alcohol industry have effectively exercised a veto over policies, making sure the main emphasis is on ineffective strategies".

Is it time to have another look at the way we deal with alcohol, to reduce the damage of public drunkenness and harmful drinking? In 1970 we declared "war on 1034" to reduce the death rate on our roads, because we had had enough. With grog, is enough enough? Do we need to control our harmful drinking patterns, so that as a society we drink less but enjoy it more? Do we need to develop a new and distinctively Australian way of drinking, enjoyably and safely, at home, in the pub and at the "G"?

I think we all know the answer. So, what are we going to do about it?

Dr Rob Moodie is CEO of the Victorian Health Promotion Foundation and chairman of the Premier's Drug Prevention Council.

From: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/02/20/1108834654257.html
The Age - Opinion - 21 February 2005.

BT :)
 
Why should this be any different with illegal drugs if they were legalised?

It should be different because if introduced, legalisation of currently illegal drugs should be far more regulated.

Most of the problems caused by current legal drugs relate to the ease of availability.

If you could buy alcohol at every corner shop and petrol station it would probably kill as many people as cigarettes.

The same applies to illegal drugs.

The "overdose culture" would continue but as with most drugs people only consume until they feel sick (except in some unfortunate cases).

Drink enough alcohol and you will feel sick drink lots and you may need the hospital, again same applies with other drugs.

It is not the bullet that kills, it's the hand that pulls the trigger.
 
NEWS: The Age - 26/02/07 'Binge drinking a national crisis'

Binge drinking 'a national crisis'
February 26, 2007 - 10:50AM

Young Victorians are drinking themselves to death at an alarming rate and Australia's drinking problem has become a national crisis.

That's according to Bill Stronach, chief executive of the Australian Drug Foundation, which is hosting a three-day alcohol conference beginning in Melbourne today.

Figures released by the Victorian government today revealed that half of all 16- to 24-year olds binge drink at least once a month, scores were killed and thousands more injured.

It found 194 young deaths were attributed to alcohol in the last four years.

A further 2135 young people were seriously injured in road accidents and 11,455 drank themselves into hospital.

Alcohol also fuelled more than 8800 assaults and almost 5000 family incidents.

The figures are contained in the Victorian Alcohol Statistics Handbook.

Author Dr Anne-Marie Laslett said it was staggering that more than 300,000 young Victorians drank to excess each month.

Health Minister Bronwyn Pike launched the handbook, saying it was a serious wake-up call.

"Alcohol is second only to tobacco as a drug that causes high levels of disease and death," Ms Pike said.

"It's terrifying to see that more than 300,000 people risk serious injury or possible death at least once a month through drinking irresponsibly."

Mr Stronach said Australia's drinking problem was getting worse and the victims younger, labelling it a national crisis.

"Australia's infatuation with intoxication costs 4000 Australian lives each year and another 70,000 people are hospitalised," he said.

"We get terribly upset when illegal drug users commit violence or die but we ignore the daily mayhem that results from determined and deliberate dangerous drinking."

The Age
 
Rather than posting the above article by itself I thought it'd be a good excuse to bump this thread for discussion.

Earlier this summer I remember being at a large music festival and was almost hit by a St Johns first aid cart (golf buggy-type vehicle with stretcher) as it raced through the crowd.

In the back I could see a young girl who was out cold, a worried friend was riding in the cart with her. Making an assumption based on her age and how she looked, I think she'd just had way too much to drink... which was a little worrying considering it was hardly midday at an event that went to 11pm.
 
I can't be stuffed reading all the articles and in-depth replies in here but i will express my view and continue oin mah way.

Yeah overdosing on alcohol is a fairly common rite of passage for youngsters. I mean who in high school (even the geeks?) wouldn't experiment with alcohol and vomit everywhere. Most of us get sick off of alcohol at least every few months at least?!!?]
 
hoptis said:
Earlier this summer I remember being at a large music festival and was almost hit by a St Johns first aid cart (golf buggy-type vehicle with stretcher) as it raced through the crowd.

In the back I could see a young girl who was out cold, a worried friend was riding in the cart with her. Making an assumption based on her age and how she looked, I think she'd just had way too much to drink... which was a little worrying considering it was hardly midday at an event that went to 11pm.

I suspect i saw the same incident, shocked me actually, it was so early and she was so young.
 
It allways amzazes me the fact that this stuff is legal and advertised so freely. When I was 13 I obtained a 750ml bottle of jim beam over the counter no questions asked. Me being young and stupid proceeded to drink the whole bottle within half an hour. All I remember is waking up half day later in hospital with a drip hanging out of my arm and I still beleive to this day if it had not been for the ambo's and hospital I would've been dead. I have tryed just about every drug ive came in contact with and I KNOW nothing comes close to the dangerous states alchohol can put u into. LOL I find myself writing this even though I am now a heavy drinker myself, but yes theyve got it totally wrong. I really dont know how they justify this?
 
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