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Recompensated for being put out of work due to coronavirus?

Nagelfar

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Walked all the way to work today to find the doors locked and an old text message from my boss saying WA state shut down businesses where one dines in due to coronvirus. For two weeks. Then I hear there is a bill in works or unemployment already happening for people working in state shut venues. I was blown away by this. Hopefully I'll still see a paycheck, otherwise I can't afford my Oxford housing.
 

What 23

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Same thing happened in my state, announced today. Lots of waiters/waitresses out of work. This will probably get merged with the main Coronavirus thread... Hope you can reach out to someone in the meantime - before benefits/compensation, and float through.

One thing you could do is inform whoever you have to pay for your housing - they may be able to help you. In this situation I doubt they can really expect people to be perfect.
 

Nagelfar

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There's a Washington state unemployment page for coronavirus, but I can't get the gist of whether I just need to sign up for regular unemployment, wait for my boss to do something (site says "for employers who have to lay off employees" and has a segment) or if there is a Federal bill coming as I've heard elsewhere
 

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You should be good to go.

Tath, maybe this is the time to quit the politics...

Or does that matter more to you than people? ;)
 

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the choice is pretty stark do you want your recession to be of a deflationary or inflationary flavor?
rather than bailouts, every industry that fails because of this pandemic, like airlines are expected to, along with every industry that is required to be open, like grocery stores, should be nationalized and publicly owned. capitalists always drone on about the "risk" of starting and running a business, so they know full well that acts of god can bankrupt them at any time

fuck anyone that expects to use my dime to protect them from their own economic system when they got into it full well knowing the risks
 

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I do think there needs to be some drastic restructuring with consideration of reality that we know now - that may not have been as present back at some earlier point. At this point I am not sure I trust people to just go and collect at these grocery stores, buying out shelves of items, like rubbing alcohol...frozen food, chicken (they're probably freezing it...), beef (same). I think-instead people should place an order, before going, and it will be picked for them, and done in/for a time that they can pick it up. Everyone will have an app. This will make it so in the case of something like this happening and people panic buying-- they simply won't be able to. The warehouse will be locked down to non-employees. You can buy ONE bottle of rubbing alcohol/peroxide, hand sanitizer, etc. per week, panicky person, not 10 (unless you get a waiver, or are a business). Perhaps in normal times, they can buy more, but times where there is an impending state of emergency, there has to be tighter controls, and ability to enforce them. I have been to many stores, and all of the rubbing alcohol and peroxide is out. Normally it's barely touched. Gas stations that had it collecting dust are now sold out. Online, they're trying to sell a gallon for like 100 bucks.

I actually happen to agree with you, about giving the public more ownership, or, figuring in that it is the public that keeps these businesses afloat in the first place, and structuring with that in mind(?). I understand bailouts because if these businesses fail then so do the many people that depend on them, and the implosion can get really messy, but it is really wrong that they get forgiven, just like the government does when they mess up, but when someone has to pay - it's us. There is a lot wrong about our world. I'm not a communist simply because, well, communism doesn't have borders...(at least the goal is it doesn't, from what I remember - correct me if I'm wrong). I'd be fine with a Nationalist-socialist system, not specifically referring to "Nazis", but you know me...not far off. Taking care of what we need to keep going.

I also don't believe in letting the neighbor live in squalor, that is, I simply believe that we should put ourselves, our nation/state, first, like we should breath to work- Not work to breath. If we can, we should try to incorporate the many different peoples of earth into one "state", respective to some common, unified goal of peace/prosperity, but separate states, and an ability to say "no" to the world government, not bound to dumb conventions like we have to settle refugees, we have to disrupt our peace. One people should not be pitted in competition with another, or literally destroyed, via mass immigration, and businesses hop skip jumping around to wherever is "cheapest" for them. Americans should have never had to compete with Pakistanis, directly- Americans should have been cooperating, and if there is competition, it should be focused more, with-"against" outside, not American companies like Apple making Americans compete with Chinese and what they will work for... Not these companies getting big in these ripe ecosystems, then plucking what they need and moving their producing tree elsewhere where water is cheaper, but dirtier..

Capitalism is disgusting, and this is why.

I don't really have a base to disagree with you, here, though. If Apple was publicly owned, I doubt it would have moved its production to China. I don't find communism "practical", though. Fascism, or rather "National Socialism" (the terms just match what I think is needed, fascism is an aspect of even our system, and any system really, even those of communism that have been employed- There is always a group of people controlling things, and they have the power of life and death over others), yes - more so, but not without some jagged edges that need to be nested in something more "rounded"/soft, for sake of everything.

I'm ignorant, though.

All this has also got me thinking about the right to bear arms, again. Not that I think it's actually that bad, yet. It has revealed the true and utter stupidity of believing that you should let another take away your guns, even so-called "assault rifles". That we should trust the "state". We aren't equipped to protect everyone, if the shit ever hits the fan. Our government isn't. I won't have my house raided for food, in some hypothetical situation. And I'll join a local army/militia, to preserve order, if that ever comes.
 
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Yourbaker

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@What 23, I like your principle of Breath to work. Going shopping and seeing the overworked shelf stockers and the huge loads heading home with everyone it's very apparent that capitalism is capitalizing on fear as it always has.

We (meaning humanity) will fail to implement the correct measures swiftly enough and instead will get sidetracked (apparently storing toiletpaper). The people who are put out of work will lose their homes in a lot of cases since we are already in a shitty economy. The lose of life from our failing economy and governments may be significant.

All the accounting in the universe won't be able to determine who owes who for what before this ends. Capitalism may not end, but it's new name will be slavery.
 

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fuck anyone that expects to use my dime to protect them from their own economic system when they got into it full well knowing the risks
That can be read as an inictment against the current capitalist system (although, for most being born into it is not a choice....moving to a capitalist country would be). But it can equally be the cry of the capitalist resisting the socialist system.

We (meaning humanity) will fail to implement the correct measures swiftly enough and instead will get sidetracked (apparently storing toiletpaper). The people who are put out of work will lose their homes in a lot of cases since we are already in a shitty economy. The lose of life from our failing economy and governments may be significant.
I still LOVE your username everytime I see it. Just had to say that.

I prefer to look at what good comes from things, over the bad. Failing to implement correct measures....relative measuring, IMO. Had we not had the crissi, we'd remain further from prepared. This exercise does move us closer to where we should be, but it brings tradeoffs. Change is painful, and often expensive - in life, in dollars.

I don't believe so many will be losing their homes or the like. Yes, there's a HUGE question of missing income, but consider those expecting those rent payments or car payments and such....they kick out the current tenant for not paying and what do they have? An income hole to fill of their own. Instead, if they work with the tenant, they have someone already IN the residence and the expectation that payments will be coming again once things pick back up. It's not in their interest to evict, or repossess, etc. The additional wrinkle is what the gov't does for stimulus and how it's deployed.

A lot of the companies with forced shutdowns are paying their employees for the time away, at least in my neighborhood that's what people are getting. Therefore, while out of work, there isn't a lack of income to pay for things (and keep the economy going, even at a crippled rate). For those NOT getting paid, we need to see how the gov't money will come out - delayed taxes (minor, but keeps money in your pocket for now with the expectation you'll have some later when things pick up and can pay), direct checks to citizens (I'm not sure how this can be done, but it's pretty simple in terms of keeping people afloat), money to businesses can either be used to cover those 'paid leave' paychecks going to employees as well as keep the businesses afloat with their short term credit for materials and lost goods (perishables?) currently in stock.

The loss of life is a HUGE question. Read any of the 'flatten the curve' articles to understand how this stifled economy is helping lower the number of projected deaths, primarily by not having more demand than medical capacity. We can play a lot of what-if games, but won't know how effective the measures taken are in saving lives until afterward. Then, there's still the questions on how many lives are an acceptable loss for this crisis = a subject currently drawing a LOT of comparisons to other acceptable death numbers annually (car wrecks, regular Flu, etc). To most of those, I think it's premature to compare known causes of death to a virus with immature and inconsistent data to date.
 

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rather than bailouts, every industry that fails because of this pandemic, like airlines are expected to, along with every industry that is required to be open, like grocery stores, should be nationalized and publicly owned. capitalists always drone on about the "risk" of starting and running a business, so they know full well that acts of god can bankrupt them at any time

fuck anyone that expects to use my dime to protect them from their own economic system when they got into it full well knowing the risks
Use your dime?? Who u kiddin? U broke as fuck lol
 

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Walked all the way to work today to find the doors locked and an old text message from my boss saying WA state shut down businesses where one dines in due to coronvirus. For two weeks. Then I hear there is a bill in works or unemployment already happening for people working in state shut venues. I was blown away by this. Hopefully I'll still see a paycheck, otherwise I can't afford my Oxford housing.
 
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