Benzos RC benzos, use and dependence...

[JM357]

I am looking into ordering some RC benzos but do have a concern: while I normally do not use benzos to the point of becoming physically dependent (has only happened when prescribed clonazepam; opioids are a different matter but that is another topic) I normally don't have the supply that would be easy to acquire with RCs (like 1-2 grams of benzos). The RCs I could get domestically as powder are pretty much diclazepam (the only one I tried previously- I actually really liked it (I normally really like diazepam, but it seems like some people say diclaz and diaz aren't necessarily similar in effect just because they are similar in structure)), clonazolam, etizolam, flubramazolam, flubramazepam. I would rather not go international due to the risks involved. I originally planned on ordering diclazepam or clonazolam primarily with maybe a small amount of one other. But while I normally like long acting benzos (but normally I only have a few (like 20 or so at most) when it comes to RX benzos) I have been thinking that with something long acting like diclazepam you really could only take it infrequently (once a week maybe at most?) to not risk becoming dependent. Also, I was initially interested in the f-lam as I heard it is pretty euphoric and very strong but then had read some reports that tolerance rises extremely rapidly, like seemingly faster than any commonly available RX benzo.

I guess what I am really trying to figure out: how often could one take benzos and not be at a high risk for a benzo habit? Normally when I have like 20 kpins I just take them over a few days and don't touch them again for weeks. Maybe the etizolam would be a good candidate b/c it has a short half-life (so it could be taken a bit more frequently b/c due to its short half-life it wouldn't have a constant level in the bloodstream (unlike diclazepam which has a half life of days and therefore would not take very frequent dosing to have constant levels; then again the worst opioid problem I ever had was fent (it seems short half-lifes make for fast tolerances) so maybe this type of thinking is incorrect? Like maybe the thing to do would to take it for a shorter time period total w/a longer acting benzo (like just take what I want with diclaz for 2 or 3 weeks? I'm thinking this could still be risky though).

I guess I'm just looking for help with what would be decently enjoyable but with a lower risk for dependence.

 

[Tbar]

Ok dude I got you. I have been using benzos on and off for ten years. I can honestly say there is NO way to use benzos on and off and not get addicted. Benzos are THE MOST ADDICTIVE DRUGS ON THE PLANET. More than coke, meth, heroin, ect... I have used almost every drug in the book and was junky for a long time, but I can say that the withdrawal and addiction to benzos out way heroin withdrawal and addiction about 100,000,000 to 1. The addiction is A LOT like heroin addiction, except tolorence rises quicker. And the withdrawal is way way way worse. Heroin withdraws last 3 days to 2 weeks depending on how addicted you are and its like a bad flu. Benzo withdrawals last months and months if not years and the symptoms are basically everything you can think of from seizures, digestive disorders, horrible joint and back pain to the point where you can't move. And that's just to top off all the rebound terror. Benzos repress anxiety, stress, aka FEAR. When you withdrawal from benzos, you have crazy irrational rebound fear that is strait up scary. I thought my entire town was trying to kill me and ended up in a loony bin. Auditory hallucinations are bad too and ad to the fear and paranoia. When I first started clonazepam at age 20 for my anxiety, I quit cold turkey after 4 months of taking it. Then followed 4 months of crazy voices thinking people were out to get me and shit. This was after only taking it for 4 months.

OK, now that I have thoroughly warned you, I can give you a bit of advice. Clonazelam knocked me on my ass but the comedown made me want to pull my hair out. Etizolam would probably be the best choice for you if you want to just take it every once and a while and can control mental addiction because the comedown isn't that bad. Just don't take them a lot or you will get addicted. STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM ANYTHING FLUBER! Flubrazolam/pam both screwed me up bad. The WORST withdrawal I had EVER been through after only a WEEK of taking the crap. Stay the fuck away from those 2. Diclazepam is good to taper with if you are addicted because of the long half life and subtle feeling to it.

I would say etizolam is for you. I'm trying to get a gram of the powder right now myself. Sifting through sites that only take bitcoin and a site that is overpriced. Bitcoins are hard to acquire at first try I have come to find. If you know where to get etizolam powder, pm me. Take my advice. I know my shit.

 

[rave23]

As simple as just not taking it every day and taking time off for a while. Riiiiiiiiight. That totally works. Easy as pie. Lmao. It don't matter what drug it is, it makes you feel good, you are asking for trouble.

Psychedelics are the only drugs I don't find risky. They are very much self limiting and subsequent usage leads to reduced usage in general. Drop some good LSD, and you will have had your fill for a good while, if you hit that spot.

Benzos, on the other hand, can easily become part of the stuff I take on a daily basis, works itself into my schedule, all without any intervention of mine.

If you want to do drugs and not run a risk of dependence, you ought to avoid the stuff that works on dopamine, opiate and gaba receptors. Serotonin ligands are very fickle things, and tampering with them has a strong up and down associated with it that needs time to reset, during which usage just exaggerates the negative symptoms. Dopamine is that way too in some extend. But my opiate and gaba receptors I gladly keep busy and occupied.

 

[JM357]

I am sort of worried- honestly if benzos were still easily available locally to me I would stick with them (used to get clonazepam like once a month, usually around 15x1mgs for almost free but the person who used to give them to me failed a drug test and was restricted from getting them for 60 days (I thought "well, they will probably be fine b/c they just give them away"- but they are in really rough shape (must be that they get a large amount, I've seen people prescribed 6mgs+ a day of clonazepam, I didn't think they used them regularly but they must)). I am in a lot of pain due to having broken my back 4 times, not even sure when each time happened but the fracture scars are there (maybe powerlifting when I used to?), and three bad discs (oddly the clonaz does help with the pain even though it isn't supposed to) and anxiety and I think part of the problem is that due to having a history of opioid dependence I feel like I will never ever get any help (I have a doctors appt. in early december with my PCP for a check-up and to get referrals to specialists). The pain is literally to the point where there have been times where I haven't been able to bathe myself for over a week.

I have gone through benzo WDs before and didn't find them to be to the level people reported (maybe around the same as a moderate H habit and not as bad as fent or methadone WDs) but I had tapered to 0.75mgs (0.25 3x a day) of clonazepam first (had an rx back then) but can only imagine what it would be like to come off like 3,4 or more mgs a day. And when taking them recreationally I never kept going out and getting them; but I find it can be very different when you actually have a drug on hand.

The thing is I have never been sort of in the middle: I was either prescribed them and took them daily, or just got them once or twice a month (I won't say I couldn't get them locally but only alprazolam would be available (bars) and the price is insane I feel like for benzos (like I literally feel like I could spend almost as much to get xanax as dope, the xanax would probably last a bit longer though); it seems to me that on the local scene benzos are all xanax w/ocassionally kpins or valium). So I don't feel like I really know how often I could take them and not become dependent- I know it is probably a bit longer than opioids b/c if I take dope for three days I feel like shit for like 5 or 6 days when I switch back to bupe.

I will probably take your advice and get the etizolam if I do get something (I'd like to just say I'll go see the doc and get help for pain and anxiety, but I know all I get for anxiety is gabapentin and clonidine, and feel like I won't get anything for pain EVER and will be held back from doing the training (IT, compTIA certifications I'm currently working on) I need or even bathing sometimes). The gabapentin does help with both to some degree, but I don't like taking that everyday either and it isn't nearly the relief when I take it ocassionally that I get when taking a benzo. I do know they both work on gaba though so even if I got a benzo and don't want to become dependent that gaba+benzos may not even equal more days I can get some relief?). It isn't like I have a huge tolerance like some others when it comes to benzos (not judging anyone) as 2 or 3mgs of clonazepam is a pretty strong dose (no blackouts or anything) and I feel 1 or 1.5 mgs. Maybe etizolam and get some diclazepam so I would have something long lasting to come off with if I did become dependent, and have someone hold at least the diclaz and maybe the majority of the etizolam?

 

[Tbar]

Yeah I had all of those horrible withdrawls after taking alot for 4 months and also using them on and off a lot for the past ten years. right now im using diclazepam to help with the anxiety of this lump i got in my neck lol. I think its cancer but im a hypocondriac so im goin to the doc on monday. But I do relate to how you said benzos take your mind off your ailments in short. You do sound like you could be at the begining of an addiction because you say you are worried about being able to get kpins or whatever. if you go the etizolam rout, be sure to take them sparingly. Peace yo!

rAVe23: psychodelics are dangerous, I done fried my marbles! (after using acid, mushrooms, dmt, lsa, ketamine, and dextromethorphan ALOT!!!!) I can't even take acid anymore. Its so sad because I love it so much. Oh well... settle for good 'ol dankidy dank. Don"t take so much you fry your marbles! Be careful!!!!!