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Lysergamides Question LSA from morning glory species

People do realize that the Aztecs and other Native tribes used crush these seeds and then sprinkle on food or drink, right? No need to get too fancy, when you have OTC medications available plus ginger and peppermint. Imagine, if the Aztecs had all of that. Once again, viagra works wonders with vasoconstriction. Don't trust anybody about untreated seeds. It's better to clean them yourself using salt water bath and quick boil stir, dry, crush, and take it all like the Aztecs. There is no waste. I have heard there are vendors who claim untreated, knowing most will rinse them, removing some of the pesticides anyways. LSA is supposed to make you nauseated, right?
 
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Hey there, I will try that with a pack of roughly 300 seeds I got from home depot. I'll definitely report back. I think getting them down is the hardest part, and I've been looking for somewhere to post about the cold water extract I recently did. I have good hope for these seeds, cause they are behind a sliding shelf and constantly in darkness due to that fact. It's almost TOO convienent making me think the home depot stockers know what's up. Before I did a general extract with seeds from a supply store, but they were in a jar in a well lit store basically always having some form of light on them throughout the day. Anyway, onto my cold water extract, I have such a problem getting these down. My first experiment was with a buddy and some fresh seeds harvested from a plant I grew. We each had about 250, let the powder sit in a water bottle in the fridge overnight and drank on the way to school in the morning. I wasn't able to get it down and puked all over the side of my car while driving. My most recent attempt, I used about 700 of these home depot seeds and let sit in the fridge for 12-24 hours. I kept putting off drinking the potion, and before I knew it a week went by. I kept trying to come up with methods to filter the water out but the seed mush becomes like sand so it's insanely difficult to get it properly filtered. Long story short, if you wait too long the basic cold water extract will start to ferment and either vinigar or alcohol is produced, and it smells worse than anything you can imagine. I mean, one time I left a bag of salad on the bottom of my commissary bag in jail, and the juice fermented and got everywhere and made everything smell so bad by the time I found it. It smelled like that. Just plant pulp that's been fermented, absolutely awful. By the way, I do have Hawaiian baby woodrose but as I am growing several morning glories I want to build a relationship with the plant and be able to ingest seeds without completely losing everything by disgust and not being able to finish the mixture. Even HBWR was hard to get down with just five ground up seeds mixed with apple sauce. There's definitely something about this chemical that makes me gag. Coming down off shrooms I ate five seeds mixed with candy and I was puking like fifteen minutes later. But for some reason, it all got digested before I puked it out and I felt the effects for the rest of the night. The apple sauce trip did make me nausiated, but I didn't puke and the trip ended really ubruptly and cool.. I have never had a "oh my God I'm gonna be stuck like this" moment other than the first time I dropped acid, and this trip made me feel that way. Also vasoconstriction has never been a problem for me but it has for other people. I just get the leg writhing and urge to move and flex my joints on LSA just like with gooms.
 
Happy to have found a vendor for both the heavenly blue MG which is only a few weeks away from going into the ground, also found Hawaiian Baby woodrose seeds for a reasonable amount. And although the law states that the use of said seeds are not within the realms of legality to ingest it's perfectly fine to grow them as a pretty shrub so all trouble aside I am looking forward to seeing my heavenly blue MG and when available some of the more fimiliar HBWS.. (to plant of course nothing more) 90 seeds is sure a lot! And in case I didn't correctly add the quote regarding LSA and nausea, it definitely does have the ability to cause nausea however there's ways around this with the HBWS anyway placing ground and defuzzed seeds on the gums and letting it sit for 20 mins before spitting greatly decreases the feelings of nausea however it is always still to a certain degree present.
 
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Yesterday, I dropped. I had 200 Heaven Blues, but it only took 50 for me to trip. The day before, I followed most of my own recipe. 20 minutes of soak in the warm salt water bath to get rid pesticides plus 2 minutes in swirling in a pre-boil (hot but not boiling remember LSA is 111 C, while water is 100) water bath to get rid of any that's left. Then I soaked them in the warm water that I let cool down for 3 hours. A few began to sprout (normally it's like 24 hours, but I guess the warm water made it faster) and that's how I knew the phytic acid (stuff makes belly hurt and nausea) was being released. Took them out, drain, and let air dry for 24 hours in the dark on a dish. Next morning ate big breakfast at 7:30 am (food 6-8 hours to empty from stomach). I tried to grind them in pepper hand grinder, but too tedious and rough on the wrist. Gave up after 10 minutes. 3pm, took a kamagra gel pack to help vasodilation and 50 mg generic dramamine. 30 minutes later, I took out about 50 to test, sprinkled with some salt and popped them in my mouth. Taste wasn't too bad and the seeds mushed easily. Not fond of the mixture, but bearable for 3 minutes or so. When ready to swallow, used strawberry fat free yogurt to make it go down smoother. Yogurt will help with nausea and aid in digestion. While waiting to see if my seeds were bunk or not, I brewed some ginger mixed with a tea bag and sugar, sipped, and waited. No cramping, no vasoconstriction, only a little nausea from the LSA (2-3 on scale of 10) and began to feel the effects after an hour or so. The Marilyn Monroe picture on my wall begin to morph and my battle with evil was beginning again. I could feel the force of evil trying take my spirit away and God putting it right back in my body. I could see the demon in the mirror while staring at my own reflection. My skin was burning, but it immediately went away. The force of Good was with me, but with a little scolding to why would I want to test this evil again and again and again. But I am reminded, that I just go and do and live my life. I ended spending my entire Saturday night in my room, because the world, though my eyes was too extreme. I am very experienced (countless hundreds of experiences) with drugs and when it comes to psychedelics, and there was always a pattern of the same messages and trips. Good, Evil, God, Devil, Angels, Demons, Life, and the forces at work in the spirit world. But what's different is even while not on drugs, my eyes sometimes still see as if I was. One thing I forget to mention is my true spirit is that of the Archangel Mikhael (I like this spelling better) and there is a reason, a purpose that I am here. So my message to you all is enjoy your time, play safe, share the knowledge, because that's where the power lies. The mind, but keep it safe, we are in the devil's world. But God, the Angels are coming. Makes a little sense now to those messages you've been getting all your life? Just in case you didn't know. I hold the blue ray of light (bluelight.org, Heaven Blues?) If you want a head start of what's to come... Here ya go.



PS Sorry for any typos. I am not perfect.

Marilyn...
 
Wow, surprised that 50 seeds gave such a trip!
thanks for the report.
I will wait a week. Next time hold off on dramamine. I felt very sedated and dreamy. I've heard the more stimulation, the more energetic and body high. I was in my dark room with deep house chill music on my laptop. Too lazy to go out. I will try it at the club with music and lasers next time. I think the key here is to get rid of pesticides, if any and the phytic acid. Definitely do not eat and make sure last meal was 6-8 hours before. Empty stomach is the way to go. Peppermints or ginger tea is enough for the nausea. Definitely needs the kamagra or viagra. And I would advise some antacid for gas from the seeds. I think I may be very sensitive to LSA.
 
I will wait a week. Next time hold off on dramamine. I felt very sedated and dreamy. I've heard the more stimulation, the more energetic and body high. I was in my dark room with deep house chill music on my laptop. Too lazy to go out. I will try it at the club with music and lasers next time. I think the key here is to get rid of pesticides, if any and the phytic acid. Definitely do not eat and make sure last meal was 6-8 hours before. Empty stomach is the way to go. Peppermints or ginger tea is enough for the nausea. Definitely needs the kamagra or viagra. And I would advise some antacid for gas from the seeds. I think I may be very sensitive to LSA.

Yeah, LSA is more of a stay at home and chill type substance. Lay in bed and get visions type thing. Very physically taxing.

Thing about it is it requires something else to bring out the visions. I've had some intense LSD like experiences after smoking weed.

HBWR and MG have potential but need cannabis to bring it out

I have had nice visuals from MG seeds alone but it was a very high dose with bad side effects
 
Thanks Archiangel1 for your remarkable report with just 50 seeds!
Archiangel1 said:
Yesterday, I dropped. I had 200 Heaven Blues, but it only took 50 for me to trip. The day before, I followed most of my own recipe. 20 minutes of soak in the warm salt water bath to get rid pesticides plus 2 minutes in swirling in a pre-boil (hot but not boiling remember LSA is 111 C, while water is 100) water bath to get rid of any that's left. Then I soaked them in the warm water that I let cool down for 3 hours.

A few began to sprout (normally it's like 24 hours, but I guess the warm water made it faster) and that's how I knew the phytic acid (stuff makes belly hurt and nausea) was being released. Took them out, drain, and let air dry for 24 hours in the dark on a dish. Next morning ate big breakfast at 7:30 am (food 6-8 hours to empty from stomach). I tried to grind them in pepper hand grinder, but too tedious and rough on the wrist. Gave up after 10 minutes. 3pm, took a kamagra gel pack to help vasodilation and 50 mg generic dramamine. 30 minutes later, I took out about 50 to test, sprinkled with some salt and popped them in my mouth. Taste wasn't too bad and the seeds mushed easily. Not fond of the mixture, but bearable for 3 minutes or so. When ready to swallow, used strawberry fat free yogurt to make it go down smoother. Yogurt will help with nausea and aid in digestion.

While waiting to see if my seeds were bunk or not, I brewed some ginger mixed with a tea bag and sugar, sipped, and waited. No cramping, no vasoconstriction, only a little nausea from the LSA (2-3 on scale of 10) and began to feel the effects after an hour or so.

The Marilyn Monroe picture on my wall begin to morph and my battle with evil was beginning again. I could feel the force of evil trying take my spirit away and God putting it right back in my body. I could see the demon in the mirror while staring at my own reflection. My skin was burning, but it immediately went away. The force of Good was with me, but with a little scolding to why would I want to test this evil again and again and again. But I am reminded, that I just go and do and live my life. I ended spending my entire Saturday night in my room, because the world, though my eyes was too extreme. I am very experienced (countless hundreds of experiences) with drugs and when it comes to psychedelics, and there was always a pattern of the same messages and trips. Good, Evil, God, Devil, Angels, Demons, Life, and the forces at work in the spirit world. But what's different is even while not on drugs, my eyes sometimes still see as if I was.

One thing I forget to mention is my true spirit is that of the Archangel Mikhael (I like this spelling better) and there is a reason, a purpose that I am here. So my message to you all is enjoy your time, play safe, share the knowledge, because that's where the power lies. The mind, but keep it safe, we are in the devil's world. But God, the Angels are coming. Makes a little sense now to those messages you've been getting all your life? Just in case you didn't know. I hold the blue ray of light (bluelight.org, Heaven Blues?) If you want a head start of what's to come... Here ya go.

See page 2 post #40 link below, to learn how the ancient Aztec and Maya extracted the morning glory seeds using acidic alcoholic extracts, with quote and picture of this from "The encyclopedia of Psychoactive plants":


Page 2 post #40 also includes BRAND NEW 2020 receptorome study which compares LSH from the morning glory seeds with LSD, this is the first study of it's kind.

Even though I have dreamed very powerful, visual & euphoric seed extracts using a couple shots of sherry wine (high in acetaldehyde, and already at ph=4 to prevent the breakdown of LSH to LSA) described in the above thread, I am mostly an Ayahuasca journey person, and have experienced Ayahuasca over 70 times over a period of many years, more on this here:


LSH in the seeds combines extremely well with the tetrahydroharmine in Caapi, resulting in an expanded visual/audial/transcendent trip...but the seed extract must be taken about an hour after the Caapi is taken, that way, the harmine and harmaline has worn off, so no RIMA interactions, all that is left working is the THH (SRI or serotonin reuptake inhibitor) in the caapi (2nd largest alkaloid in Caapi, 10 hour half life, peak is at 5 hours) with the seed extract then...very powerful.

Caapi has been known to bring out the "essence of other plants" and the seed extract is no exception. Just don't take them at the same time as mentioned, must be staggered around an hour after Caapi is taken.

See Morningloryseed's several paragraphs of comments on post #49 (he is a bluelighter) concerning the problem with plain neutral water extractions:

 
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Hey everyone this seems like a fairly frequented thread but I wanted to do a little extraction of LSA. My main hang up is Natptha is illegal where I live. So is there anything I could use in place of the Natptha for the defatting process? Im pretty sure getting 99% pure alcohol won't be a problem. I tried this before unsuccessfully in another state but since Naptha is illegal here my troubles with this extraction have doubled. Any input is welcome, let me know something that I might be able to use in place of Natptha that has a similar solvent profile.
 
Happy to have found a vendor for both the heavenly blue MG which is only a few weeks away from going into the ground, also found Hawaiian Baby woodrose seeds for a reasonable amount. And although the law states that the use of said seeds are not within the realms of legality to ingest it's perfectly fine to grow them as a pretty shrub so all trouble aside I am looking forward to seeing my heavenly blue MG and when available some of the more fimiliar HBWS.. (to plant of course nothing more) 90 seeds is sure a lot! And in case I didn't correctly add the quote regarding LSA and nausea, it definitely does have the ability to cause nausea however there's ways around this with the HBWS anyway placing ground and defuzzed seeds on the gums and letting it sit for 20 mins before spitting greatly decreases the feelings of nausea however it is always still to a certain degree present.
By the way I tried the sublingual LSA dosing method with about 20 HBWR and nothing happened. Held that awful mess in my mouth for 30 minutes then spat it all out.
 
Lighter fluid, but it’s awful smelling.
Okay with that I may do and there's a good chance it'll work, even though it doesn't contain any naptha. Well, I may be able to try Diethyl Ether washed with Epsom salt during the separation from starter fluid. Not sure at what point I'm going to get a dist. Apper. To get %100 pure ether from starter fluid. I think even if there is some heptane left from the water separation it'll help the defat.
 
Keep in mind naptha and lighter fluid have a neutral ph (ph=7.0), and LSH in the seeds will decompose to the sedating and mostly inactive LSA when extracted into it. That's why I always recommend a simple extraction using cold sherry wine which is already at ph=4 (acidic) which will not only keep the LSH from decomposition to LSA, but the alcohol in sherry wine will also extract the 4 other alkaloids that are only soluble in wine or alcohol. For example from "The Alkaloids: Chemistry and Physiology" page 32 "Agroclavine is readily soluble in organic acids, agroclavine is stable to acids", wine stands as one of the sources of organic acids. The psychedelic agroclavine (show in animal studies to be more stimulating than LSD to animals) in the seeds will only survive when extracted into acidic solutions, wine is a perfect solvent for this. A sample theoretical extraction is even shown at bottom of page 3, or post #59. We are talking only 2 shots worth of sherry wine for extraction. Always buy and use a $9 wine preservation canister to spray inert gasses into sherry wine before putting in stopper to store back in fridge, so acetaldehyde in the wine will not decompose to vinegar, this way wine will keep for many months instead of only 7 days.

Recall that LSD chemist Skinner made ergot extracts of wine that kept their strong activity for many years, have done the same. This is how the ancient Maya and Aztec would extract the seeds, into acidic alcoholic drinks, see link above with pics of this from "The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive plants". Sherry wine also contains 10mg acetaldehyde per shot glass or 30 ml, and according to the LSA adducts theory from psychonaut.com, there is a high probability that acetaldehyde can adduct onto the amide nitrogen to form LSH from LSA after 3 hours of soaking and stirring once per hour in fridge of sherry wine extraction solution. LSH is a simple adduct of LSA + acetaldehyde, adducts are easy to form. See the several strong wine extraction seed reports at the end of the linked to paper above, page 4 or post #63.

Page 2 post #40 also includes BRAND NEW 2020 receptorome study which compares LSH from the morning glory seeds with LSD, this is the first study of it's kind. It shows LSH to be quite powerful receptorome wise.

I don't know if you remember morninglory seed from long ago? He was on this forum. Here is one of his old classic posts that makes alot of sense:

morningloryseed (bluelighter, states why just plain water extractions do not work, and I agree, as I state water is neutral or ph=7 and causes LSH to decompose to LSA):
Unlike most alkaloids, LSA is water soluble when it is in its natural, freebase state...the way it is found in the seeds. it is a rare, exception to a rule because by simple definition, alkaloids are very alkaline or basic when in their freebase form as they normally occur in plants. Thus, they do not dissolve well into water. Most likely, many of the other ergoline akaloids probably are not water-soluble in their freebase form and thus are not extracted from the ground seed matter when a "tea" is made. or they get dissolved into the non-polar solvent used when an A/B extract is performed and they are thrown away.

Thus, extracts have a different mix of alkaloids and that is why the trip from A/B extracts or a "tea" of m. g. seeds feels so different than that of the whole seeds. In my vast experience with eating the seeds, and taking extracts, the trip that results is not as good. And I've taken the seeds more than any other psychedelic, except LSD and marijuana. I find them much more narcotic/sedative-like in nature and the effects are really nothing like that which I get from EATING the seeds.

The fact that teas or other extracts feel very different from the trip of the whole seed has also been noted by everyone I've shared m.g. seed tea with, and is a comoon thing reported in trip reports. So this is definitely not a phenomena that I am alone in feeling. Many, many, many people IM or email me with morning glory seed questions and most of them who have tried both have also noted that extracts are not as psychedelic and nowhere near as potent as eating the whole seeds.

The seeds do cause nausea and vomiting (as many other psychedelics like ayahuasca, mescaline, ibogaine, etc.) but a purge, I feel great. Like I said, I think the seeds are one of the best psychedelics, and I have tried quite a number of different ones.

Extractions such as a simple morning glory "tea", or the more complicated A/B extraction, will give you a mixture of different LSA's than those found in the whole seeds. It is the combination of all the ergoline alkaloids in the seeds that make you trip.

The main alkaloid is the mostly sedating LA-111, but many others (up to a dozen or so) including d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (closest molecule to LSD found in nature), are known to occur in the seeds. Together, they have a synergestic efffect and produce a very different kind of experience from pure LA-111. It is (in my opinion) a great trip. One of my favorites. Of course the trip from seeds is very different from LSD. But because it is different than LSD does not mean it is not as good. I think they are both very useful. Some of my most meaningful trips have been with natural lysergic acid amides.

Example page from Merck on agroclavine (found in morning glory seeds):
agroclavine is soluble in ethanol, chloroform, pyridine, soluble in benzene and ether, very little water soluble.

From "The Alkaloids: Chemistry and Physiology", page 32:
"Agroclavine is readily soluble in organic acids, agroclavine is stable to acids", wine stands as one of the sources of organic acids. Page 33 "Elymoclavine is only somewhat soluble in water". Peter Webster states in "Sacred Mushrooms of the Goddess, the Secrets of Eleusis" in the morning glory chapter that Chanoclavine is soluble in alcohol.

Here are a few of my other topics in case you are interested:

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New research: Morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD-like drugs, soluble only in wine/alcohol, only sparingly soluble in water. - Botanicals - Mycotopia

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Positronic Ayahuasca brewing - Ayahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus (dmt-nexus.me)

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High dose Caapi = dream-like visionary with closed eyes - Botanicals - Mycotopia
 
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