You beat me to it! I love the way they banish him but he just keeps coming back!
This has happened on etizolam! The police came in and took my stash. I don't think it was ego-death though. Rather, straightforward shutdown of consciousness. Same is possible with ethanol.Ismene;10964620 said:Do you lose track of who you are? Even to the point that I could come in, take your stash and say "Allright knock" as I walk out of the door?
The K-hole isn't really ego loss though, I mean when you come back to reality it does anything but soften the ego. DMT does the same thing except does soften the ego (for a while) when you come back to planet earth.SHM
For the tldr crew. Take disassociatives.
I said I think it's incredibly powerful short-term ego dissolution of a high degree. I never used the words loss or death. I argued against black and white extremes.rockstar 69;10964719 said:The K-hole isn't really ego loss though,
I dunno shm, I've always found the magic of psychedelics is that you DO know who you are so you can experience it. I'm not sure what benefit I'd get from them if I had no idea what was happening to me. Perhaps I'm the odd one out and everyone has no idea who they are when they take mushrooms.StoneHappyMonday;10964644 said:Never been on a psyche ward Issy? Loads of brain dead geriatrics on anti-psychotics? You could easily take anything from them. The chair they are on.
Or is this different?
There is generally consensus amongst post 1950's neuroscience researchers that there is no YOU so to speak, a concept first introduced by buddhists a few thousand years ago i believe. For me, psychedelics help lean towards a meditative state in which you realise that YOU are really just a collection of conscious experiences and that the closest thing there is to YOU is whatever it is that can be aware of those internal experiences / phenomena as they are unfolding in real time. I think this is what most people here mean by conscious awareness without the ego.Ismene;10971955 said:I dunno shm, I've always found the magic of psychedelics is that you DO know who you are so you can experience it.
No, I made it quite clear I agree with you when it comes to psychedelics.Ismene;10971955 said:Perhaps I'm the odd one out and everyone has no idea who they are when they take mushrooms.
I like how you put the word "just" in front of something that has philosophers, psychologists and neuroscientists still quite stumped!Swarm;10975114 said:YOU are really just a collection of conscious experiences
That's exactly why i phrased it that way. Probably less than 10 percent of what our brain's activity is ever available to consciousness yet this is all we have access too when constructing our sense of self.knockando;10981997 said:I like how you put the word "just" in front of something that has philosophers, psychologists and neuroscientists still quite stumped!
You are obviously "familiar with the literature", no need to get on the defensive.Swarm;10982105 said:That's exactly why i phrased it that way. Probably less than 10 percent of what our brain's activity is ever available to consciousness yet this is all we have access too when constructing our sense of self.
The last time i checked, there was still a fairly viscious battle going on between the opposing philosophical camps of david chalmers and dan dennet over whether or not a "hard" problem of consciousness exists or not. But this is really a debate about sensation. When it comes to the concept of the unified self, no neuroscientist has felt stumped since michael gazzaniga's ground breaking research on split-brain patients.
Yes, I see what you mean, and I agree! Well, to some extent.Swarm;10982140 said:Sorry i didn't mean to go off on one. No i wasn't being ironic. I guess this phrasing reflects my concept of the self. The more you get into psychology, atleast for me, the more you become astonished by the sheer amount of activity that is totally unconscious too us. It seems that freud was right all those years back when he told us that the role of the conscioussness mind was not to make decisions, but rather to inform us as to the action that our brains have just decided to do
To take this further here, I would have to ask you to define your terms. But I have other shit to do, so instead I'll just say that I will look into Libet and Ramachandran's stuff, thank you!Swarm;10982299 said:Really liked your email, you obviously know your cognitive psychology. One thing first though. While behaviours such as driving a car do involve lots of unconscious decisions, they also involve conscious ones too. Say you choose to overtake someone infront of you. This involves a deliberation process (eg. estimations of how much time you can afford to be on the right side of the road without smashing an oncoming car head on) and then a decision (whether to overtake or not). Now the latest research suggests that our brain makes the decision to overtake up to 5 seconds before you consciously decide to overtake. This comes from research done by Libet if you want to check it out.
Why does this odd, past event awareness occur? This is obviously a more speculative issue. My perspective, one greatly inspired by the work and theories of V.S Ramachandran, is that this is perhaps an emergent property, resulting from the function of conscioussness itself. His idea is that conscioussness is like a high powered memory tool that enables us to apply logic to memories, therefore enabling us to plan for the future. Conscious represenations are thought to be key instruments in helping humans break apart from the world of "fixed action patterns" or "reflexes" that form the stable set of behaviours for most of the rest of the animal kingdom.